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  1. dlanod

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    Comments on a couple of our academy blokes by someone who made it out to Blacktown yesterday:

     
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    Thanks. I had a thought that Briggs & Peatling may be outside chances of rookie selection this year; Matt Walker didn't play of course (anyone know why?). Tom Green progressing nicely for next year. (Briggs and Peatling replace the two Buckleys for mine.)
     
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    A bit of a write up on the match here as well and certainly seems like Briggs had an impressive last qtr

    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-09/allies-draw-first-blood-at-u18-championship
     
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    I dont know a lot about Briggs....does he look like an AFL standard ruck prospect.
     
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    OK, so just catching up on things U18 … the Giants Academy kids selected in the 50 man Allies squad were:
    - Keiran Briggs
    - Riley Corbett
    - Jacob Koschitzke (not draftable due zone exclusion)
    - Jeromy Lucas
    - Guy Richardson
    - Nick Murray
    - Matt Walker
    - James Peatling
    - Ben Kelly
    - Thomas Green (underage - 2019 draft)
    - Liam Delahunty (underage - 2019 draft)

    There was an internal selection trial match, and I thought there was meant to be a small squad named … but I haven't seen such a squad named. Instead, the team for the first U18 Championships game was named, which included four from the Giants squad: one we cannot draft due to exclusion from GWS zone, Tom Green from next year, and two draft-eligible Giants: Keiran Briggs (forward/ruck) and James Peatling (small forward).
    Allies Team Rd 1.PNG

    Allies 10.11 (71) defeated Victoria Country 6.12 (48)

    Allies: Briggs 3, Jones 2, Scott 2, Green, Peatling, Turner [GWS Academy kids in bold]
    Vic Country: Flanders 2, Garoni 2, Caldwell, Williams
    BEST:
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    Jones, Briggs, Green, Tomkinson, McGuiness
    Vic Country: Walsh, Fletcher, Reid, Brownless

    Match Report https://www.afldraftcentral.com.au/...t-victory-with-impressive-last-quarter-surge/

    THE Allies and Victoria Country kicked off their 2018 National Under 18 Championships at Blacktown Oval on Saturday, with both sides exposing elite talents and midfield depth. The match up was very hotly contested with the midfield and ruck battle producing high disposal and tackle counts in the rough conditions.

    Vic Country kicked the first goal of the game from a boundary stoppage as Geelong Grammar’s Jye Caldwell received a handball from Hudson Garoni as he steadied from 40 metres out to roll through the first off the day. Starting well with six disposals in the first quarter that goal was co-captain Jye Caldwell’s last meaningful contribution of the game as he succumbed to a hamstring injury and was followed by Dandenong Stingrays’ midfielder Mitch Riordan. Vic Country dominated the early contests and acclimatised themselves to the slippery conditions with superior skills coming from onballers Sam Walsh and Sam Fletcher. Hudson Garoni was Vic Country’s barometer up forward as he marked superbly and was able to have multiple shots at goal in the first quarter.

    Down at quarter time, the Allies responded after a tough first quarter where they were beaten in most areas. The Allies midfield significantly stepped up in clearances as they started to gain some ascendency in the match. James Peatling kicked a super roving goal to kick the Allies back into match, as the boundary throw in evaded both Jacob Koschitzke and Bailey Williams, Peatling pounced and kicked a superb snap while being swung around in the tackle by Sam Walsh. Tasmanian midfielder Chayce Jones was integral to the fight back winning many clearances and crucially intercepting a poor kick in by Connor Idun and converting with a goal. The final play of the half was an attack by Vic Country as ruckman Bailey Williams got a kick away just in time to kick goal just before the half time siren.

    The third quarter commenced with Chayce Jones kicking a booming goal on the run from 50 metres as his influence was growing stronger on the game. The low scoring continued throughout the quarter, as the heavily-contested footy saw many stoppages and sparse opportunities. Sam Flanders did brilliantly to pounce on an errant kick in Allies defensive 50 and snapped truly, this was possible from the forward line pressure by Oscar Brownless. But Allies hit back once more as Tarryn Thomas expertly found Thomas Green 30 metres out on a slight angle, Green made no mistake from the set shot as the match up was set for a tight finish.

    With Allies key forward father-son pick Nick Blakey missing through illness an opportunity arose for another big man forward to fill his void. With Victoria Country leading by two points at the final break the Allies yearned a match winning performance and that came in the way of ruck/forward Kieren Briggs. The Greater Western Sydney academy player stamped his authority early in the final quarter by taking a huge pack mark over three Country defenders and converting, as Briggs then added two more goals that saw the Allies pick up their first win of the championships.

    A key to Allies victory was Chayce Jones as he was comfortably the best player on the ground, his performance featured 28 possessions, five clearances, six tackles and two goals. Bottom age stars Tom Green (24 disposals) and Mitch O’Neill (26 disposals) were also very serviceable, Green’s team high six clearances stood out as the conditions required cleaner skills and disposal. Allies and Tasmania’s great draft hope Tarryn Thomas was barely sighted in the first half as Vic Country dominated through the middle. Thomas’ second half was much more productive as he finished with 17 touches and six tackles with his contributions key to the Allies last quarter.

    Swingman Matt McGuiness was very valuable for his side in multiple roles, as Jacob Koschitzke – who played against many of his Murray Bushrangers teammates – was also great with his positional changing role. For Vic Country, potential top draft pick Sam Walsh was at his dominant best, accumulating a game high 31 possessions which included five tackles and six clearances.
    With Jye Caldwell and Mitch Riordan off early, Geelong father-son prospect Oscar Brownless – the son of Geelong star Bill Brownless – was productive with 18 touches and seven tackles, as Sam Fletcher provided a game high 14 tackles and gained 19 possessions. Defenders Kyle Reid and Connor Idun held the defensive fort throughout the day but couldn’t stop the Allies goal rush in the last quarter.

    In the next championship fixtures the Allies will face Victoria Metro at Southport Oval on Saturday June 16.

    Scouting Notes https://www.afldraftcentral.com.au/2018/0 6/10/scouting-notes-allies-vs-vic-country/

    16 James Peatling – Grabbed the ball on the wing and nullified a contest in the opening term by sliding across the boundary line. He took a good mark in space in the second term, but his set shot from 30m missed to the left. He handballed to a teammate early in the fourth quarter, pinpointing him through a couple of Vic Country opponents.

    26 Thomas Green – Bottom-ager Green started well with a couple of nice front and centre snares at the stoppages, keeping his arms free above his head in order to dish the ball out. Despite his good clearance work, his output around the contest slowed a bit in the approach to half time and he was thrown forward to good effect in the third term. He managed to back a handy goal from a long-range set shot and put on some hard tackles to keep the ball locked in the Allies 50.

    40 Kieren Briggs – Briggs played a key hand in bringing the Allies home with three last quarter goals. The highlight was easily his third goal – a smart dribbler from deep in the 50 with an opponent closing in. The versatile tall was able to find space well and looked dangerous one-out when forward. He spent most of the first half rucking, leaping well and most notably showing off his clean hands overhead in tough conditions. As an over-ager, Briggs certainly put his name down as one to watch further with his performance.

    37 Jacob Koschitzke – Koschitzke was used in various roles throughout the day as part of a major rotation of the Allies big-men. Starting forward, the GWS Academy product also took up a good amount of the ruck duties forward of centre and did not look entirely out of place. With the Allies magnet-board shuffled heavily in the second half, Koschitzke was thrown into defence to quell the influence of his Murray Bushrangers teammate Hudson Garoni. While Garoni proved dangerous and continued to dominate on the lead, Koschitzke took a couple of handy intercept marks and made some good decisions in the back half.
     
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    I really liked Peatling in the NEAFL match against Darwin. Looks to be a definite maybe (but I thought that with Mutch and McCreadie)

    What’s his story? How close to the Barrassi line does he live? Which Melbourne boarding school does he go to? What TAC cup side does he play for? What family member barracks for which Melbourne club (thus making him rightfully theirs)?
     
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    James Peatling - 21/8/2000 - 183 cm 71 kg - lives Toongabbie, plays for Pennant Hills Demons.

    Kieran Briggs - 6/10/1999 - 200cm 98 kg - has now finished Oakhill College Sydney, still plays for Pennant Hills Demons.

    Tom Green - 23/01/2001 - 188 cm 85 kg - plays for school Marist College Canberra.

    I'm sure Eddie will aim to exclude Canberra from GWS zone by next year, but may let western Sydney stay as part of Sydney this year as Briggs & Peatling are not stars. Good news story for GWS in western Sydney if we select them, which is why I would be keen.
     
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    Hope Briggs can keep up his form for the champs but not too much so he is at most a 3rd round pick and interesting to see how Peatling and Walker go over the rest of the games
    I just saw Briggs is overage but with an October birthday
    Not sure what other list weaknesses the squad has but I would like a ruck and for the first pick I would like to have someone with pace and footskills to play outside mid or halfback and all dependant on second half form and also trades and retirements
    I still think too many tall defenders v not enough small defenders/half backs on the list and hopefully that is balanced over the draft and trade period
     
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    Still wanna trade the whole list?
     
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    Obviously team is playing a bit better now but I still wouldnt be completely against trading one of shiel, patton or tomlinson. Was definitely not looking to trade out the whole list as you might think I meant. We do eventually need to redistribute some players from the current 24-25 age group to continue bringing in talented youngsters that can increase the longevity of any potential success. These are 3 players who have shown their loyalty time and time again despite being heavily courted by Victorian clubs in the past, however there will likely come a stage in their career where they will want to return home after doing a fantastic job with us.

    It would definitely hurt most in my opinion to trade shiel but if the club knows he is keen to get back to Melbourne whilst he is still in his prime after 2019 (turning 26 next year), it might be worthwhile to extract better value from him (with some clubs likely willing to overpay) if we release him from his contract one year before his free agency. For me, tomlinson is flexible but if scully and whitfield are fit and firing, he goes back to being a mobile tall defender which we have surplus of (corr, haynes, himmelberg, taylor, buntine). And finally, Patton has improved over the last 2 weeks, but if we can get a big young ruckman to take the primary ruck role and lobb playing full forward (with pinch hitting role in ruck - perhaps less injuries for him as well this way), he might be someone we could potentially use to continue the influx of talent. Just feel like if we bring in a genuine ruckman, lobb wont be injured every second week and we wont have situations where our support ruckmen dont compete because the coach knows they will get injured.
     

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    Shiel no way he is up for trade and I think in 2019 one of the big name mids will possibly depart with Shiel, Cogs, Kelly out of contract and what could effect the decisions of the players is the captaincy, no basis for this statement but I think at the end of 2019 Ward and Davis will hand over the Captaincy to Coniglio and one other (I hope Kelly) and then it also depends on if one of Shiel/kelly receive an offer to good to refuse but still along way to go and depends on the cap
    Patton Don't think either party will be interesting in a trade, Patton as one of the originals seems like a loyal guy and after the early troubles he went through I think he will want to be around when the wins and finals are being played. And the club will be loyal as he has shown his potential and just needs to be more consistent. I think this seasons struggles are down to playing more time in the ruck and also the focus on defensive pressure
    Tomlinson Open to trade either Tomlinson or HH at the end of this year as one in the side is ok but 2 is just too tall and the forward line is not mobile enough and Tomlinson has good games but sometimes his versatility goes against him as he is expected to play too many roles. Having said that I think the form and selection of the players in second half of the year will decide a few things
    Lobb needs to play full time ruck for the rest of the season and then I think the picture will be more clear as to if he can play that role. I think the form of the team in 2016/17 inflated the value of some players beyond this years production and without actual figures I think this year and next they will have a better picture and it would be interesting to see what Ahern signed on for after his 2 year rookie contract v what Taranto, Perryman and Cumming have. I like Flynn but still think he will be tried next year as he is still splitting the rucking in the NEAFL with Simpson and he only turns 21 in September
     
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    Shiel is one of the best midfielders in the comp mate. You don't trade that away. He wins his own ball, can run away from a stoppage with pace and kicks goals. Its literally the prototype for a successful midfielder. If we lose him it is not because we would ever want to trade him, its because we cannot compete with the other offers.
     
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    Trading away Shiel for a draft pick that MIGHT be as good as him one day is the perfect example of thinking a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush
     
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    Yea I think what I mean is I would love to keep Shiel for his whole career but in the scenario he has made it clear to the club he wants to leave at the end of 2019 regardless of our results on the field. Even then I would be reluctant to let him go but if a club offers for example 2 1st rd picks (inc. at least 1 early 1st rd), it might be tempting as well since the club would not be compensated as much via free agency the following year. The negative is that yes we do lose an established star in Shiel. But on the positive we give 2 talented players an extra year in the 2s and another player like Bonar with pace and acceleration potentially being able to step up to the plate earlier than expected.
     
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    No he doesn’t - worst conversion percentage in our team (for those who’ve taken at least 40 shots on goal)

    It’s Dyl’s only real flaw.
     
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    No doubt he has been down this year by he averaged 12.5 over the previous two years
     
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    Don’t know where you’re getting that from
    2012 5:4
    2013 11:11
    2014 9:11
    2015 8:9
    2016 13:15
    2017 12:15
    2018 3:8

    Career 61:73 or 45.5%
    And that’s not counting the “missed everything”

    2012 was his only year above 50%
     
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    12.5 goals over the previous two years - (12 + 13) / 2. He also averaged 15 behinds, so he does kick goals but he also kicks behinds.
     
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    Lots of behinds:(
     
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    Well the comment was about his average over the last 2 years

    12 plus 13 is 25. If you average that you get 12.5

    Which was my point.
     
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    how long as Dawson got left on his contract with us? surely its time to move him on, we've had an issue with Ruck this season with Rory not being fit etc, but he just cant seem to get a run (the general consensus being he's not very mobile).

    it just feels like he's not bringing enough to the table to warrant keeping him (I like him FTR).
     
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    https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gws-players-contract-status.1008964/

    Off contract this year.
     
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    I agree if we're not going to play him now then it''s his time. Does mean we need to go for a ruck in the trade period this year in my view. I doubt Dawson is on much and with our cap I think it means a player trade of similar value. Ideally maybe a back or two, which look strong on our list. Lycett or Preust would be great if either could be sold on a move to Sydney, we'd have to take some pain to get either though. Preust contracted and North would want to keep him. Lycett a restricted free agent, but I doubt we have cash to throw so either a player trade or sell players elsewhere to get the space.
     
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    I think either Lycett or Preuest would only be a target if we're moving Lobb back to the forward line, in which case we're likely giving up on Flynn too as it would lock down both positions for several years.
     
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