http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-26/tomorrows-heroes-ian-hill
Really hope we give this lad strong consideration.
Really hope we give this lad strong consideration.
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List Mgmt. 2018 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy
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Ton of talent and thought he came across really well in the interview and liked how he said he would like to play against his cousins and prove his best of them.
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Will miss Tiziani, actually went to school with relatives a looong time ago.
Everything as expected really.
Will miss Tiziani, actually went to school with relatives a looong time ago.
Everything as expected really.
Yes he comes across as quite a grounded and focussed young man. Also like that he said he hates losing. He looks a point of difference!
Just seen the list changes and have to say that I am disappointed the club kept Buckley over Tiziani. Buckley has had his opportunity at AFL level and doesn’t have it, Tiz was tracking nicely until he got hurt. We don’t know all the ins and outs at the club but on face value I reckon he’s stiff there to miss out.
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100% agree with Andre.
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I have bias but realistically passing judgement without knowing Tiziani's physical condition is silly. He showed character as a youngster in continuing after being passed in his draft year and being picked up the next.
Every injury and rehab is different, and maybe his body just isn't right. I hope that's not the case but the only indication we will get is whether other clubs show interest.
While limited Dylan Buckley is a fit mature body who adds depth, hopefully we dont need to play him.
Jack Buckley came out if the local Sydney comp and like Daniel Lloyd can be expected to take time and a couple of off seasons.
Every injury and rehab is different, and maybe his body just isn't right. I hope that's not the case but the only indication we will get is whether other clubs show interest.
While limited Dylan Buckley is a fit mature body who adds depth, hopefully we dont need to play him.
Jack Buckley came out if the local Sydney comp and like Daniel Lloyd can be expected to take time and a couple of off seasons.
Further to this, why would we not throw a Daniel Menzel a bone with a 1 year incentive based deal over retaining a spud like Buckley.
Yes understand Menzel doesn’t tackle, and that has been our weakness, but given the General is out for most of the year and Lobb is also gone, a guy like Menzel could be a nice depth player on very little coin. He is a prolific goal kicker and has a point to prove.
Still can’t understand keeping Buckley, somebody needs to explain that one...next thing we know he’ll be tweeting he has a 2 year deal...
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Is Buckley the new Schulz?
He has great social media skills
Feel like the club is doing a sweep of all the guys with medical issues apart from the General since we invested so much time into him through his rehabs. Lost setters, scully and tiziani all of whom had season ending injuries. Dont think we wanted to lose Shiel and Lobb but our hand was forced from SC issues.
Hoping for the best but honestly feel that Patton is 1 more major injury away from retirement.
Think that the retention of reid and buckley are for similar reasons. They arent great footballers but will be experienced bodies when troops are down. Hopefully they can keep the NEAFL group competitive. Perhaps most importantly, they are great personalities. Much like kenners and davis, feel they really enjoy getting to know people and making new members feel at home and welcome. These guys make the young kids like himmelberg, taranto, hopper, etc want to stay with the club for longer.
Definitely popular in the group no question about that.
I would happily have menzel. I doubt we would get him if we saw him only as depth though. Apparently there are 5 clubs into him so I can see him choosing us to play neafl
Shame to see Tiziani go and he should be able to get a NEAFL contract for Sydney uni or Canberra, or if the club can offer him a contract with the NEAFL team, Maybe Mohr looks for a job with the Academy after 8 years in Sydney. Hard to see Walker picked up now unless he slips to the rookie draft
So looking at the picks
#9
#11
#19
#25
#52 Use to match Briggs
#89 Rookie upgrade Lloyd
#107 Rookie upgrade Reid
Rookie Draft
# Mumford
# DFA/academy prospect
So looking at the picks
#9
#11
#19
#25
#52 Use to match Briggs
#89 Rookie upgrade Lloyd
#107 Rookie upgrade Reid
Rookie Draft
# Mumford
# DFA/academy prospect
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Could be but it seems to me if Briggs is that far down the draft we may rookie him? He will be developing for a while I expect.
Just a guess but if we list Mummy it will be with the intent if playing AFL next year so him in the list makes more sense. Not sure it makes much difference. As I understand it there's not a lot of difference. Mummy's contract is what he nominates and I'm sure it would be agreed before the draft. Briggs gets about $160k if drafted and whatever is agreed if rookied.
From the CBA
Briggs 1st year 80k + match payments depending on draft pick
2nd year 110k + match payments
Mumford I agree he will not be on a base salary but depending on the options with how much could count under the players SC v 'soft cap' but I would think he would be on 400-500k in total
2018 & 2019 First year player
Year Draft Base $ Match$ 1-5 6-10 11-15 Max Bonus $
2018/19 1-20 95,000 4,000 3,000 3,000 6,000 12,000
2018/19 21-40 85,000 4,000 3,000 3,000 6,000 12,000
2018/19 41+/PSD 80,000 4,000 3,000 3,000 6,000 12,000
An AFL Club shall pay each Player it employs other than a first year draft choice Player, a second year Player, a Rookie Player or a Player promoted from the Rookie List, a minimum base payment per annum and a minimum Senior Match payment per Senior Match as set out in the table below:
Year
Base Payment Senior Match Payment
2019
$105,000 $5,000
2020
$110,000 $5,000
2021
$110,000 $5,000
$115,000 $5,000
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Out of curiosity do you have a reference for your source?From the CBA
Briggs 1st year 80k + match payments depending on draft pick
2nd year 110k + match payments
Mumford I agree he will not be on a base salary but depending on the options with how much could count under the players SC v 'soft cap' but I would think he would be on 400-500k in total
2018 & 2019 First year player
Year Draft Base $ Match$ 1-5 6-10 11-15 Max Bonus $
2018/19 1-20 95,000 4,000 3,000 3,000 6,000 12,000
2018/19 21-40 85,000 4,000 3,000 3,000 6,000 12,000
2018/19 41+/PSD 80,000 4,000 3,000 3,000 6,000 12,000
An AFL Club shall pay each Player it employs other than a first year draft choice Player, a second year Player, a Rookie Player or a Player promoted from the Rookie List, a minimum base payment per annum and a minimum Senior Match payment per Senior Match as set out in the table below:
Year
Base Payment Senior Match Payment
2019
$105,000 $5,000
2020
$110,000 $5,000
2021
$110,000 $5,000
2022
$115,000 $5,000
copy and paste from the AFLPA website, I think it was a page in the 60's
Would be very surprised if all we needed for Briggs was pick 52 and could see us trading pick 25 to be in a better position to get Briggs and reckon a trade with the saints could work well in which we trade pick 25 for the saints pick 36 and 46. Also pretty sure Reid doesn't need to be upgraded as he was delisted last year which reset the clock on the years he could remain on the rookie list.
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I can see a bid for Briggs being late 2nd round early 3rd and i am sure the club has an idea of where any bid will come in and has prepared accordingly, also with the other Academy/Father sons I can see #52 moving up the draft several spots.
Sydney/Blakely 26/33/38/39/40
North/Thomas/Scott 42/47/48/49
Pies/Quaynor/Kelly 41/44/51
Dogs/West 27/32/45
Lions/Macfadyen 18/30/35
The club does have the option to do a pick trade but history suggests it would look to move up the draft rather than down and I just think the price this year is too high with the SA clubs looking to move up as well. I think the club is happy with its position and I can't see any issues with a slight point penalty in the 2nd or 3rd round if Briggs is taken higher than expected.
My understanding of the rules is that a rookie can stay on a rookie list for a maximum of 3 years in total and happy to be proven wrong on that but I also look at the list spots and the picks the club has and it matches up with both Lloyd and Reid being upgraded and using #52 on Briggs
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Reid posted during the week that he still has a year remaining on his two year contract
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Thanks.
Just never been able to locate data, and would like to be able to read. Have been going from posts, and trusting data from posters that have a reputation for not bullshitting. Direct is better, and more accurate.
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CBA - http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf
AFL Rules - http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/AFL Rules - May 2016.pdf
Pretty much everything you want to know about player payments, movement, etc, will be in one of those two documents.
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The contract aspect is irrelevant to the rookie/main list aspect. Rookies can have contracts longer than 1 year ... but max 3 years on the rookie list, so if in the middle of a contract can have to be upgraded. However, I'm not sure that applies to Reid - this was previously debated in this thread so I won't repeat it.
In regards Briggs, looking at the other academy/father-son matches, I'd only expect #52 to move up a few spots (remember the original bid inserts an extra spot), so probably highest is #47, which matches a bid at #36 or later. So you'd expect a slight carryover to next year. (I admit I don't understand why our trade with Freo for Lobb so generously included both #43 & #47 to make it a really cheap price on points, when we should have saved one of those, or at least got #55 or #65 back. Seems shortsighted and self-inflicted pain.)
Injury payments are killing our salary cap. If we bring in Mumford to play 2 out of 3 weeks we cant afford to carry injury plagued guys on the list as well.
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