Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Part 1 (continued in Part 2 - see OP for link)

[Iamcarlton]

Anyone who thinks casboult wont play is actually a delusional moron no one supplys what he does

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Agree with your sentiments on Casboults position in the side i feel your tone is a touch on the heavy side tho . Its his spot until another player performs better or his form drops of which if it does he probably will be moved on fairly quickly . He provides an adequate backup to Kruezer which pretty much all and sundry downplay or dont take into account but is valuable to the side and Kruezer .

 

[Robertio]

Anyone who thinks casboult wont play is actually a delusional moron no one supplys what he does

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I'd choose my words better than that. This is a forum anyone can have an opinion right or wrong.

 

[JustaBattler]

You know you are going to get good performances from Plowman each week - but there are question marks over Jones/Weitering and Marchbank - so I am happy to have ASOS and Rowe at the Club. More problematic is replacing Docherty's smarts and run - both Simmo and Thomas are past it. In a perfect world both Byrne and Garlett are the 'smalls' in good form back there - both can run - unless Cuningham is being remodelled and surprises - Carlton might have some serious issues in back six to sort out.

The good news is that Bolton will have a more developed and significantly faster more dangerous midfield brigade to choose from in 2018 - maybe the midfield can win more ball and run better each way - making it harder for opposition sides to put back six under the sort of pressure they faced week in week out last year.

I think Carlton's midfield will emerge as a top8 in 2018 - many more wins coming than the 4-6 game predictors expect - if the back six can handle the loss of Docherty better rather than worse - I cant see too many sides running over Carlton in 2018 by any great margin - the days of 15 goal losses are over.

 

[Jimmae]

You know you are going to get good performances from Plowman each week - but there are question marks over Jones/Weitering and Marchbank - so I am happy to have ASOS and Rowe at the Club. More problematic is replacing Docherty's smarts and run - both Simmo and Thomas are past it. In a perfect world both Byrne and Garlett are the 'smalls' in good form back there - both can run - unless Cuningham is being remodelled and surprises - Carlton might have some serious issues in back six to sort out.

The good news is that Bolton will have a more developed and significantly faster more dangerous midfield brigade to choose from in 2018 - maybe the midfield can win more ball and run better each way - making it harder for opposition sides to put back six under the sort of pressure they faced week in week out last year.

I think Carlton's midfield will emerge as a top8 in 2018 - many more wins coming than the 4-6 game predictors expect - if the back six can handle the loss of Docherty better rather than worse - I cant see too many sides running over Carlton in 2018 by any great margin - the days of 15 goal losses are over.

I'm not worried about our defence or midfield (though I would have liked one more quality big mid at the draft), I'm worried about our treacle slow ball movement and if our forwards group can take advantage of a more attacking setup.

 

[Blueballs38]

I'm worried about our defenders

Jones
Weitering
Marchbank
Plowman (plays taller than he is)
McCredie

All have at least 5 years left and imo will all be guns. Some weeks we could play 4, but depending on line ups we might only be able to play 3 (e.g. Richmond finals side) I don't want to loose McCredie for a second/third rd pick because of lack of opportunity when he could go on and have a stellar 10 year career.

If Jones has another season like last year, I think we should trade him to a contender for their first
(Pick 14-20) as he is the oldest and would get us better value than trading the current "weakest" of our defenders in McCredie.

Also keeping in mind we have
ASOS and Rowe for 1-3 years and JGM as a development project for depth also.

worried? SOS is a bloody genius .... he knows talls hold currency look at what Melbourne paid for the Adelaide defender.

Once we rise up then ladder our abundance of talls will be traded to teams at a premium and let us top up our list where it needs to be and stay contending for years.

SOS and Bolts want sustained success, they would rather build a rock solid foundation that takes an extra year or 2 than the crap our club was feeding us since 2000.

In a few years all the footy world will know what we already do .... the last three years SOS has just bloody nailed it, trades, draft, everything. Bolts has moulded these young men into warriors who would die for one another.

I am so bloody positive for the future because only a blind man (everyone who doesn't barrack for CFC) cannot see what we are cooking.

 

[JustaBattler]

I'm not worried about our defence or midfield (though I would have liked one more quality big mid at the draft), I'm worried about our treacle slow ball movement and if our forwards group can take advantage of a more attacking setup.

I agree another big body would be great - but I'm for the first time ever thinking our midfield will be sustainably competitive - not only new inclusions but also natural development from previous draftees - Fisher/SPS/Garlett/Dow/Cuningham are all class kicks - compared to a lot of mids we had to field in the past - Cripps/Kennedy/Ed and Kreuzer will hold their own against any opposition on ballers.

We need run and kicking ability to fast spreaders out of backline - Simmo and Thomas aren't the answer to either of those imperatives - still missing Tuohy's kicking.
(EDIT) as for forwards - Murphy on a HFF will make a huge difference to quality into forward line - if he can be spared his on ball duties. btw - I'm tipping Pickett and Williamson to be standout improvers in 2018.

 

[Bluechip66]

Think we will see Kennedy spend time forward. Reads the play well, strong overhead, good set shot, spent a bit of time forward as a youngster. He won't be just a mid imo.

I suspect we will be drafting mids over the next few years who love to kick goals (Dow).

I hope not as we got him specifically to help Cripps out......can’t burden one bloke with all the bull work

 

[Mr_Plow]

I hope not as we got him specifically to help Cripps out......can’t burden one bloke with all the bull work

True, Kennedy came across because he didn't want to play as a HFF or winger, he wanted the inside action and he'll very likely get it.

 

[Jimmae]

I agree another big body would be great - but I'm for the first time ever thinking our midfield will be sustainably competitive - not only new inclusions but also natural development from previous draftees - Fisher/SPS/Garlett/Dow/Cuningham are all class kicks - compared to a lot of mids we had to field in the past - Cripps/Kennedy/Ed and Kreuzer will hold their own against any opposition on ballers.

We need run and kicking ability to fast spreaders out of backline - Simmo and Thomas aren't the answer to either of those imperatives - still missing Tuohy's kicking.
(EDIT) as for forwards - Murphy on a HFF will make a huge difference to quality into forward line - if he can be spared his on ball duties. btw - I'm tipping Pickett and Williamson to be standout improvers in 2018.

We'll likely have Byrne and Williamson operating off half-back this year with Simmo supporting them by dropping into the back six a bit.

Say what you will about Thomas, but his straight line speed and acceleration remains very strong; his spread can create space for himself and others. The fact that he'd been able to bob up more regularly in our congested system last season flags his work rate and form.

We'll definitely have a spot or two in the forward line for the midfield group to rotate through, which again, makes life tough for Wright.

 

[JustaBattler]

We'll likely have Byrne and Williamson operating off half-back this year with Simmo supporting them by dropping into the back six a bit.

Say what you will about Thomas, but his straight line speed and acceleration remains very strong; his spread can create space for himself and others. The fact that he'd been able to bob up more regularly in our congested system last season flags his work rate and form.

We'll definitely have a spot or two in the forward line for the midfield group to rotate through, which again, makes life tough for Wright.

I was very specific about my observations about both Simmo and Thomas - neither has the kicking ability to help in fast rebounds off HBF Both are still capable players within their limitations. No doubt Simpson will be used as the 7th man in defense as required - which deprives the rebound of an option and will continue to see the forward line missing 1-2 players pretty much for most of the game is a huge reason Carlton couldn't score last year.
No one is fooled by a stacked defensive structure - especially opposition defences dining out on poor Levi - double and triple teamed pretty much every rime. Hopefully a better midfield sees Bolton able to employ a more structured and even numbered forward line-up - because your well founded criticism about treacle like attack - was as much about lack of targets than anything else.

To answer the question - the discussion is on topic from my perspective because an improved midfield list should see better attacking outcomes as well as ameliorating the negative effect of losing Docherty for the season.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Agree with your sentiments on Casboults position in the side i feel your tone is a touch on the heavy side tho . Its his spot until another player performs better or his form drops of which if it does he probably will be moved on fairly quickly . He provides an adequate backup to Kruezer which pretty much all and sundry downplay or dont take into account but is valuable to the side and Kruezer .

You don't see it. He does not chase. Can not Ruck. Misses crucial goals. He will play round 1. It is time to get games into the young forwards. It time for Casboult to lose his immunity for bad performance. Forward of centre our selection needs to be longterm. The day we don't need to play Casboult is the day you will know we are a factor in the competition

 

[katmanblue]

Wright was sixth in the b and f last year and our second highest goal kicker, he is near an automatic selection imo.

Agreed. I reckon he need to be pushed out by the younger guys.

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[Iamcarlton]

You don't see it. He does not chase. Can not Ruck. Misses crucial goals. He will play round 1. It is time to get games into the young forwards. It time for Casboult to lose his immunity for bad performance. Forward of centre our selection needs to be longterm. The day we don't need to play Casboult is the day you will know we are a factor in the competition

The coach says he can ruck mate selected to do the relief rucking all season so take it up with bolts not me . 34-18 on the season is saying you arent seeing it . All you see is a few missed easy shots . And the young forwards when they merit games through fitness and form will get a game irrespective of whether Casboult is there or not . You need to get over the grudge you have for Casboult....

 

[Lawrence Angwin]

I'm worried about our defenders

Jones
Weitering
Marchbank
Plowman (plays taller than he is)
McCredie

All have at least 5 years left and imo will all be guns. Some weeks we could play 4, but depending on line ups we might only be able to play 3 (e.g. Richmond finals side) I don't want to loose McCredie for a second/third rd pick because of lack of opportunity when he could go on and have a stellar 10 year career.

If Jones has another season like last year, I think we should trade him to a contender for their first
(Pick 14-20) as he is the oldest and would get us better value than trading the current "weakest" of our defenders in McCredie.

Also keeping in mind we have
ASOS and Rowe for 1-3 years and JGM as a development project for depth also.

Trade Jones if he has another season like last year?..............That's crazy talk! And it will be the last thing our list management team will be thinking.
With Docherty coming back from injury, the likely addition of a free agent and the natural development of our talented young list, 2019 will be the opening of our Premiership window.

You don't get rid of a dominant 28 year old key defender in that instance, and if you happen to loose a Macreadie along the way? That's just collateral damage.



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[Captain Cripps]

Nice list. This is hard, my current thoughts are:

1. Macreadie on the interchange bench. Kid has a tank, can play forward or back and looks super impressive for a young lad so far. Gives us more options if a tall goes down to injury. He will be a player!
2. Wright has been incredible so far with limited opportunity as a Blues forward. Think he should start until he is overtaken (by Garlett or lebois or Polson, or Lang or Lamb, etc. if they are up to it).
3. Simpson has been our 7th defender not really a midfielder. Will be interesting to see if we need that 'extra' player as the experience of our back 6 improves, but he is a handy replacement for Doch while we test others.
4. Byrne has to earn his spot. He is very classy but so fragile. Prefer Simmo in the back 6 for now plus add SPS or Cunningham to midfield
5. McKay or Casboult debate may become irrelevant as Kerr improves (I hope). Would start with both and hope Kerr develops.
6. Will be fascinating to see who emerges in the Midfield. I have no idea what the best 6 will be - but would love to see Charlie in there so he can run all day and not get pushed off the ball/intimidate. I can see upside in Kerridge, Graham, Fisher, Shaw and hope Schuey and LOB get a game or two.
7. ASOS is too good to leave out and can run with elite forwards (i am looking at you Buddy) but Liam was sensational until the last few games last year. So good to have depth! Would play whoever is most ready to go in round 1 and expect they will swap over the season.
8. Dow looks ready to go. Should start on interchange and get experience. Maybe manage/rest a few weeks as season gets on.
9. Lang is a solid player and should start in the 22. He wants midfield time and we need his experience there.
10. Kreuzer should be selectively rested to give Lobbe/Phillips an opportunity plus maximise his longevity.
11. Hoping Cuningham emerges this year. Kid has class.
12. Can Mullet play as a small lock down defender? Can run, can spoil, does he have the composure? and nasty streak! Might be handy some weeks as Simmo does not play that role.

FB: Williamson, Jones/ASOS, Plowman
HB: Simmo, Weitering, Marchbank
C: C.Curnow E.Curnow Cuningham
HF: Murphy Casboult Wright
FF: Silvagni McKay Pickett

R: Kreuzer Cripps Kennedy

Int: Dow, Macreadie, SPS, Lang

Bingo

 

[Captain Cripps]

I'm worried about our defenders

Jones
Weitering
Marchbank
Plowman (plays taller than he is)
McCredie

All have at least 5 years left and imo will all be guns. Some weeks we could play 4, but depending on line ups we might only be able to play 3 (e.g. Richmond finals side) I don't want to loose McCredie for a second/third rd pick because of lack of opportunity when he could go on and have a stellar 10 year career.

If Jones has another season like last year, I think we should trade him to a contender for their first
(Pick 14-20) as he is the oldest and would get us better value than trading the current "weakest" of our defenders in McCredie.

Also keeping in mind we have
ASOS and Rowe for 1-3 years and JGM as a development project for depth also.

I feel we should keep Jones
He sparked up
Started to play good etc
I feel he could have another few years in him which hopefully would be our window so to trade him would set a bad vibe in club. Like play well and get traded.
Gibbs went as he or manager whatever looked around the trade the previous year
Anyway I’m happy about that trade as Gibbs basically was a bomber anyways and doesn’t fit bolts game plan I feel.
Given form jones gets the nod

 

[zeeCFC]

Hearing Daisy has been killing it in match simulation. Garlett could be close to a round 1 selection and club is very happy with how Fish has been performing.

Before JLT my guess at the round 1 squad is:

Plowman, Jones, Weitering
Byrne, Marchbank, Simpson
Murphy, Cuningham, Curnow
Wright, Curnow, Fisher
Silvagni, Casboult, Pickett
Kreuzer, Cripps, Kennedy
Thomas, Dow, SPS, (Williamson/Lang/Garlett/Mullett)

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

From what was reported during their recent Hobart trip, Bolts loves the idea of Weitering going forward so maybe all those talks can be in the same side after all.

 

[HARKER]

Hearing Daisy has been killing it in match simulation. Garlett could be close to a round 1 selection and club is very happy with how Fish has been performing.

Before JLT my guess at the round 1 squad is:

Plowman, Jones, Weitering
Byrne, Marchbank, Simpson
Murphy, Cuningham, Curnow
Wright, Curnow, Fisher
Silvagni, Casboult, Pickett
Kreuzer, Cripps, Kennedy
Thomas, Dow, SPS, (Williamson/Lang/Garlett/Mullett)

Thomas is a quality player, so there shouldn't be any real surprise there. The trick will as usual be, getting that going on game day.
Good to see someone dropping him into the start team, as that may likely be the case, as with Casboult, Wright and maybe even....get ready...Kerridge.

Is Kennedy a certainty though? Limited pre-season.

 

[AceAndy]

Thomas is a quality player, so there shouldn't be any real surprise there. The trick will as usual be, getting that going on game day.
Good to see someone dropping him into the start team, as that may likely be the case, as with Casboult, Wright and maybe even....get ready...Kerridge.

Is Kennedy a certainty though? Limited pre-season.

Thomas was a quality player circa 2010. Has hardly justified a spot in the firsts imo.

 

[LanceRomance]

Thomas was a quality player circa 2010. Has hardly justified a spot in the firsts imo.

Your gonna love seeing him line up against Richmond in round 1

 

[AceAndy]

Your gonna love seeing him line up against Richmond in round 1

I would be considerably less than impressed if that were to eventuate.

 

[Captain Cripps]

Thomas was a quality player circa 2010. Has hardly justified a spot in the firsts imo.

Yep
8 years ago

 

[RedFury]

Do people think JSOS is a round 1 certainty? Not 100% sure there...

 

[Davey33]

Anyone who thinks casboult wont play is actually a delusional moron no one supplys what he does

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While you're probably right, IM going to suggest that perhaps what some of the posters were saying/thinking is that we should and thankfully now CAN hope that soon he will be fighting for his spot because lets face it although he's been serviceable he's far from a the KPF we so desperAtely need and will not become that star anytime soon.
As others have mentioned we need someone who can take things to the next level and hopefully MAc is that man.