Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Part 1 (continued in Part 2 - see OP for link)

[BrisbaneCFC]

Jones goes ok. Gets caught out a lot but generally reads the play well. Hence a lot of intercept marks. Just needs a better cast around him

I just don't think he is a very intelligent footballer, id actually argue that a better cast around him would make his flaws standout even further. I understand why he is playing the role he is, but I have him in the Nick Graham, Jed Lamb, Aaron Mullet type category, simply a body filling a hole for the time being.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I just don't think he is a very intelligent footballer, id actually argue that a better cast around him would make his flaws standout even further. I understand why he is playing the role he is, but I have him in the Nick Graham, Jed Lamb, Aaron Mullet type category, simply a body filling a hole for the time being.

You maybe right. What i do know is, the next year we will see more improvement in our group. Then all of a sudden it will click.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Well he’s one example isn’t he.
The AFL in the modern format would require a fair bit of mental fortitude.
Harley Balic is one I thought would go on to play AFL for demons and felt he’d be a very good player and was disappointed he left Freo for what I considered unders but he hasn’t fired a shot at Demons this year and I wouldn’t be surprised if his AFL career didn’t last much longer.

Carlton haven’t exactly set the world on fire either by giving all these recruits a lifeline or playing opportunities.

Fool me once...

Yet I hear SOS looking at a couple of GC recruits who aren’t getting game time. When do you think the penny will drop for SOS?

You really want to come here and have a dig at someone who’s had to make 42 list changes in 3 off seasons. Jesus. SOS has done brilliantly. We’ve cut the list back more than Melbourne ever did.

A lot of these recruits have been salary dumps and to help us reach the cap floor. They’re not long term options. They’re simply there because there aren’t enough draft picks available to one club a year to replace the number of players we had to get rid of.

You’ve shown your lack of understanding with regards to player development aplenty. Balic is first year at a new club. Give him some damn time.

 

[Love the Drake]

I think the club is better off moving forwards without them. I think sentimental reasons are clouding Simmo's retention on the list.

Both have easily been top ten this year. Successful teams have no issues re-signing their senior players (McVeigh/Bartel/Burgoyne etc) but a struggling CFC should delist them? Yeah right.

The only thing clouding anyone’s judgement is people’s concerns re age..

 

[Jeremias]

If lukosis is as good as what people are saying then I’m all for him but the go home factor has to be an issue cause in two years time crows/port will come hard hence why Walsh would be better for us all round.

Why does it have to be an issue?

Plenty of players have been drafted by interstate clubs and stayed there for the duration of their careers.

What gives you the impression he doesn’t want to play outside of South Australia?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Both have easily been top ten this year. Successful teams have no issues re-signing their senior players (McVeigh/Bartel/Burgoyne etc) but a struggling CFC should delist them? Yeah right.

The only thing clouding anyone’s judgement is people’s concerns re age..

IMO, yes! Neither offer us anything that cant be improved upon through trading, FA or attracting OOC players. Do I prefer that they both go? Yes, I do. Will I be disappointed if either are still on the list and best 22 in 2019, Yes I will be. Do I expect that they will both go? No, I don't. Do I have any idea what the club will do in regards to them? No, I don't. Do I think the club would pay any attention to what Id prefer? No, I dont Its simply one supporters opinion.

 

[footyfan1978]

I have been thinking since THAT kick in the pies game, could we use Jones as an attacking, outside mid?
He is woeful one on one as a defender but he is quick, is a good mark, can spoil and has a thumping kick.

No. His option apart from what he doing now is to play as the second ruck and floating down back after the ruck contest. Right now for every two good things for us he probably does one really bad one too. It is frustrating to watch the stupid things but he probably still keeps his spot in 22 if we can work around those mistakes and teach him to reduce them to as few as possible.

 

[Iamcarlton]

I'd be open to it, but the deal would have to be compelling.
A player we can pick for free next year is not (by himself) compelling.

He's a RFA next year so they can still match the offer yes thus forcing a trade ?
Therefore 2 years till he's free is that right ?

 

[Iamcarlton]

After watching the replay again of the collingwood match. One thing became very clear to me. We need another Charlie Curnow.

CC lead up the ground. Took the link up mark, then nothing else after that. Yes McKay could be the stay at home, but adding Lukosius would mean Charlie doesnt have to continually lead 100+ metres to be our link man as much.

Whats better than 1 Charlie Curnow. 2!

Charlie will lead 100m and he will like it! Then lead across the ground 50 then back the goal square he sprints .
Nick Reiwoldt clone .

 

[Iamcarlton]

I just don't think he is a very intelligent footballer, id actually argue that a better cast around him would make his flaws standout even further. I understand why he is playing the role he is, but I have him in the Nick Graham, Jed Lamb, Aaron Mullet type category, simply a body filling a hole for the time being.

Nah you can put jones in the Fisher P/S Kerr second year category still learning the backline caper .
If he could clean up the brain fade moments letting his man sneak out the back would be good .

 

[Cobbler]

A case of those in glass houses right there for Freo fans.
At least the guys that SOS has picked up have not sprayed local football coaches or been in nightclub brawls, etc, etc

Cool. You guys can win the moral high ground ladder.
Your rebuild seems on track.

 

[Cobbler]

Less of a mistake than Harley Bennell and what you gave up for that dud

What a 2nd rounder? High risk high reward.
You guys are just picking up spuds from other teams. Freo are not immune to it. We’ve had more than our fair share of spuds from other teams.

But all of this comes back to Cerra for 23 and 26. I can at least put forward reasonable opinions.
Cerra for 23 and 26 is beyond laughable but you won’t acknowledge that.

 

[jd2010]

Adelaide package ... 7 and 8 (Sloane compensation) ... or perhaps picks 7, 15 and 19.

I like it but I think we are done with going to the draft

 

[Benaly28]

Why does it have to be an issue?

Plenty of players have been drafted by interstate clubs and stayed there for the duration of their careers.

What gives you the impression he doesn’t want to play outside of South Australia?

Just a hunch I suppose knowing Adelaide will go big time for him you might be right but he has to be some risk.In two years when our other players get better and put their hand out for more cash ie.Sps,Dow,Fish and CC,PC on big coin we might not be able to match offers from rival clubs,I’m thinking big picture yeh.

 

[Benaly28]

We will find out just how good Sos is this year,needs to get inventive to maximise return.

 

[TheKITC]

It's rare for a ruckman to go first round, from memory Tim English was the last one?

I'd say a promising ruckman can be found between picks 30-50. But that's a stab

Not that I'm advocating us taking one in the first round; but it's hardly rare.

Kreuzer, Grundy, Ryder, Naitanui, McEvoy, Wright (ruck/fwd) and Apeness of recent times to go with English. Boyd, Daniher, Patton, Schache and our McKay have been used there and were high draft picks who had the potential to play there; Zac Smith was a highly touted zone selection. Vickery and Hampson were both early picks, Lobbe and Gorringe too.

 

[Metalcrusher]

You really want to come here and have a dig at someone who’s had to make 42 list changes in 3 off seasons. Jesus. SOS has done brilliantly. We’ve cut the list back more than Melbourne ever did.

A lot of these recruits have been salary dumps and to help us reach the cap floor. They’re not long term options. They’re simply there because there aren’t enough draft picks available to one club a year to replace the number of players we had to get rid of.

You’ve shown your lack of understanding with regards to player development aplenty. Balic is first year at a new club. Give him some damn time.

Hmmmm have Freo ever won a flag? How long have they been in the comp now? Think it is 24 years ……

 

[Prem17]

Cool. You guys can win the moral high ground ladder.
Your rebuild seems on track.

More on track than the guy that you lot sold the farm for.
Have a nice day troll.

 

[Cobbler]

More on track than the guy that you lot sold the farm for.
Have a nice day troll.

Who did we sell the farm for?
We’ve done ok in our rebuild. Picked up some spuds from other teams and drafted very well.
You also have a nice day kind sir.

 

[Prem17]

No. His option apart from what he doing now is to play as the second ruck and floating down back after the ruck contest. Right now for every two good things for us he probably does one really bad one too. It is frustrating to watch the stupid things but he probably still keeps his spot in 22 if we can work around those mistakes and teach him to reduce them to as few as possible.

The logic behind my post was to remove him from deep in defence as much as possible and use him as a link up wing man where his speed, long kicking, spoiling and marking could be an advantage.
Right now, his brain fades are very costly when they are made from deep in defence and often result in turnover goals.

 

[Prem17]

Who did we sell the farm for?
We’ve done ok in our rebuild. Picked up some spuds from other teams and drafted very well.
You also have a nice day kind sir.

You paid a hefty price for a player that has had nothing but police charges, internal penalties and calf injuries, so go back to the land of purple haze champ.

 

[Soapy V]

I have no idea what SOS will do or who he will pick. If we keep Pick One he simply has to go with who he believes is the best player. IMO it's that simple.

Our midfield is developing well. Cripps Kennedy Dow are contested bulls. SPS can win his own ball and has silk. Fisher is a beauty and Charlie is the X factor that can go in when needed. Ed still has a few years as well. Cuningham Polson Pickett Lang have the talent, just need to produce.

If we add Gaff (hard but you never know) and/or Brodie (who is a big bull but unproven) then we are in a very good spot. Cerra would be awesome. Murphy can still rotate between forward/mid and be more effective. IMO that's a potentially great midfield. A Walsh or Smith would really top it off.

The forward line with McKay Charlie Jack BSOS Kerr & TDK is all potential. Lots of it, but potential. Casboult is there and will always do his role. Lukosius looks a star but I am always cautious on young talls. He would really add to our forward line.

I'm open to whatever happens. Swapping Pick One for Picks 5 & 9 (for example) may suit us. We could get a King and someone like Smith? Where we are that is a good get. History shows that for all the discussion Pick One is rarely the standout in years to come. We will also get good players with 20 & 30.

Going to be an interesting Trade/Draft period. Could be the making of our next great side.

 

[footyfan1978]

You guys are just picking up spuds from other teams. Freo are not immune to it. We’ve had more than our fair share of spuds from other teams.

You not wrong
Cam McCarthy, Kersten, Bennell, Hamling and Brad Hill not exactly bridged the gap between 2013 grand final appearance to winning your first flag. You gone backwards. So much so that Ross Lyon given up that plan and rebuilding for first time in his coaching career. Brad Hill could have been Parfitt or Zac Fisher if you not traded that pick away for him. McCarthy could have been Ainsworth or McCluggage and you further advanced for the rebuild.

Happy what we paid for Docherty, Marchbank, Pickett, Kennedy, Plowman, Lang and still having all the draft picks we needed in last few years since building with a new coach from ground zero.

Spuds like O'Shea and Mullett have cost us no draft picks and would be in reserves team if not had so many injuries.

 

[footyfan1978]

I have no idea what SOS will do or who he will pick. If we keep Pick One he simply has to go with who he believes is the best player. IMO it's that simple.

Heard SOS on radio on weekend. He is not even thinking about pick one. He is thinking about seeing us win some games in last 9 games and more likely to have pick 3 or 4. He is totally open what he does with our early pick. If a right player was available he might trade it but more likely just to take it to draft or even upgrade etc etc.
I personally expect we will have about pick 3 and use it on a Bailey Smith, Rankine or Walsh type. Would also not mind trading it for two other picks a little lower as I really sense a pick at 8 or 9 is just as likely to be as good as 3 or 4 this year going by the talk of how talented these first dozen kids are in 2018 draft pool. If we traded pick 3 for 8 and 15 would be ok with that type of deal too. But nothing has been forecast at all.

 

[Soapy V]

Heard SOS on radio on weekend. He is not even thinking about pick one. He is thinking about seeing us win some games in last 9 games and more likely to have pick 3 or 4. He is totally open what he does with our early pick. If a right player was available he might trade it but more likely just to take it to draft or even upgrade etc etc.
I personally expect we will have about pick 3 and use it on a Bailey Smith, Rankine or Walsh type. Would also not mind trading it for two other picks a little lower as I really sense a pick at 8 or 9 is just as likely to be as good as 3 or 4 this year going by the talk of how talented these first dozen kids are in 2018 draft pool. If we traded pick 3 for 8 and 15 would be ok with that type of deal too. But nothing has been forecast at all.

Agree. My gut feel is he will try and get as many picks inside Top 20 as possible. Go to FA to try and add some quality 25 year old types and trade for names like Brodie/Scrimshaw using future picks.

As we improve and show our potential in 2019 we will then go after a Shiel and/or Kelly or similar.

I have no doubt there will be another 8-12 changes which is still a lot less than we have done over the last 3 years.