Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Pt 2

[katmanblue]

Fingers crossed that Cuningham can become this player. Has the speed and power, can slot them.

I hope so too but i feel he's a little too 'nice'

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[katmanblue]

Lmao at rumours that will apparently happen in another 13 months

There's a rumour that i will put my phone down and do some work, but I dont believe it.

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[PrinceCharles]

Completely forgot Cuningham existed.

 

[Blues90]

Completely forgot Cuningham existed.

Probably due to injury has had a bad run in his first year and this one.... kicked a good running goal this year

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[HARKER]

Would it be ridiculous if we put it on the table that we'll draft at least one Northern Blues player per year?
Would that alone make the NB's a bit more of a destination club and give us more of a chance of being competitive at this level?

Too risky? Maybe, but it would be novel.

 

[zeeCFC]

Would it be ridiculous if we put it on the table that we'll draft at least one Northern Blues player per year?
Would that alone make the NB's a bit more of a destination club and give us more of a chance of being competitive at this level?

Too risky? Maybe, but it would be novel.

Sounds nice but like the priority pick announcement it can bite you in the arse.

 

[HARKER]

Sounds nice but like the priority pick announcement it can bite you in the arse.

Probably, but the incentive is magnified just a little and in some cases, maybe a lot.
I still think feel that once you're out of the loop, it's a hard road coming back into it. i.e. If you weren't drafted a an 18yo. you're just not good enough.

That carrot is important and if it brought better players, heightened endeavour and commitment to the NB's as a whole, it may not be such a bad thing.

 

[ScottoP]

Would it be ridiculous if we put it on the table that we'll draft at least one Northern Blues player per year?
Would that alone make the NB's a bit more of a destination club and give us more of a chance of being competitive at this level?

Too risky? Maybe, but it would be novel.

Why not just pay them. No gimmicks just attract better players with $$.

If they are good enough they get drafted.

 

[harrisendblue]

Why not just pay them. No gimmicks just attract better players with $$.

If they are good enough they get drafted.

The benefit is that you attract / retain better players to the NB's at a lesser cost.

 

[harrisendblue]

Would it be ridiculous if we put it on the table that we'll draft at least one Northern Blues player per year?
Would that alone make the NB's a bit more of a destination club and give us more of a chance of being competitive at this level?

Too risky? Maybe, but it would be novel.

I think its a great idea. If you end up drafting player who makes it then that becomes bonus. The benefit is making the NB's a destination in the environment of big money in local footy.

 

[BlueGum]

Would it be ridiculous if we put it on the table that we'll draft at least one Northern Blues player per year?
Would that alone make the NB's a bit more of a destination club and give us more of a chance of being competitive at this level?

Too risky? Maybe, but it would be novel.

Haven't we effectively signalled that by signing up O'Shea (but without the commitment and risk that might come with doing it every year)?

 

[Gethelred]

Hearing Cerra is going to be bound by blue next season. Will take a first rounder unless he is part of a bigger trade but is a gun young mid.

BB, how'd you hear about this?

 

[Gethelred]

Also, to those in the know, (tencentpiece ) is there a chance that Jesse Glass-McCasker gets to go around again next season, maybe as a forward or just as a player on the Northern Blues list?

 

[HARKER]

Haven't we effectively signalled that by signing up O'Shea (but without the commitment and risk that might come with doing it every year)?

Maybe, although signalled and stated are two different things.

It's a bit of a silly notion but maybe one that could have dual benefits, although if we didn't have any injuries there would be no NB players involved at all.
Imagine that. No injuries.........where's the drooling Bart when you need him?

 

[BlueGum]

Maybe, although signalled and stated are two different things.

It's a bit of a silly notion but maybe one that could have dual benefits, although if we didn't have any injuries there would be no NB players involved at all.
Imagine that. No injuries.........where's the drooling Bart when you need him?

Reckon we are stating it to the players we are seeking to recruit. We might not have put it into the media. We both think its a good idea. I don't mind that we haven't chiselled it in stone (or some other more modern medium).

 

[HARKER]

Reckon we are stating it to the players we are seeking to recruit. We might not have put it into the media. We both think its a good idea. I don't mind that we haven't chiselled it in stone (or some other more modern medium).

Good point and interesting if so. Yeah....good thinking.

 

[Blue Heart]

Also, to those in the know, (tencentpiece ) is there a chance that Jesse Glass-McCasker gets to go around again next season, maybe as a forward or just as a player on the Northern Blues list?

JGM and Graham are out of contract and most likely will be delisted at the end of season.

Any other ideas from those of you who are insiders and maybe 'in the know' as to who will definitely be delisted or traded at the end of 2018 as we have to make room for at least 6 or 7 new draftees and trade in's ?

 

[Faz 2000]

Probably due to injury has had a bad run in his first year and this one.... kicked a good running goal this year

Talk about damning with faint praise. 2018 season review.... "Uhh, he kicked a (one, 1) running goal...".

DC has shown sod all. Needs to get a wriggle on. I hope he does.

 

[Gethelred]

JGM and Graham are out of contract and most likely will be delisted at the end of season.

Any other ideas of who will definitely be delisted or traded at the end of 2018 as we have to make room for at least 6 or 7 new draftees and trade in's.

Do you have a basis for thinking this?

As far as things go, merely delisting them would be a terrible waste as far as I'm concerned. Make Graham the captain of the Northern Blues - hopefully with their compliance, with him leaving Carlton's list to become a Northern Blues player - and do the same with JGM, because there's no shame in being a good VFL player who can assist draftees in finding the professionalism that AFL requires. If they've been around long enough and have the right mindset but lack the physical requirements or the talent, why not?

 

[Michael Jezz]

Given the profile of our list, any discussion on our medium-long term requirements is dependent on two factors
1. Long term prognosis from Kreuzer heart condition.
2. How long we maintain our depth KPP who are capable of a ruck chop out (Casboult, Rowe & Jones)

Let's assume the club is being transparent, and statement that the procedure was "normal/simple", and the likelihood
is complete resolution. If so, our need is much less urgent than for other "puzzle pieces".

Harry McKay has silenced any naysayers emphatically in recent weeks, and has gone past Casboult, with the
development of TDK creating the likelihood that he will also pass Cas in the pecking order during the preseason.
The presence of a very capable young back-up in Kerr, really suggests that Levi has done his job shouldering
the burden until classier options can be found.

Casboult and Phillips are both contracted for 2019, but clearly between them hold two list spots, when only one
will be required for back up. I would like to think some mature thought goes in to the career of Phillips, who remains
potentially an AFL quality tap ruckman, yet at 27 has had every year of his career punctuated significantly by soft
tissue injuries. In essence this impacts more than playing time, he has not developed the body or tank to fulfil his
potential. He was sent overseas in the off season/early season in an effort to right the issues, with obvious failure.
Barring an unlikely turn around, his time is surely up, and a termination deal would be best for all. This would leave
Levi a required member of the list. If Flipper stays, we should take a token pick to give Levi the option to move to a
club which may want mature insurance (likely Suns post Lynch...and maybe May). In the unlikely event both moved
on, we would require another back up ruck/pinch hitter...…...or perhaps that is Sam Rowe for a year.

We have to start culling some of our veterans in the near future. Murphy contracted, Simmo received public
commitment, and Daisy seems likely to be retained. ASOS is as good as gone, can't get on the park. The kids
developing and Jones makes the ageing , yet admirable, Rowe surplus, although would be excellent insurance to
keep around. If I were the list manager, he would be offered a rookie list spot (on above rookie coin) for a year
as triple back up and a mature teacher/leader in the twos. It would also romantically allow him the opportunity
to get to game 100, which he will be denied if delisted this year.

99% of us are certain Ben Silvagni will be signed with a late pick, and he would be excellent as a developing
swingman to complete our profile of tall depth/developing players (barring a ruck in a year or two).

I really rate Sam Collins as a mature option, but unless be plan to trade Jones any time soon, would be surplus.
Would be handy given Macreadie has had his development slowed by injury, but from the Collins perspective
he would be more likely to command an AFL spot elsewhere. I also have some doubt how he would co exist
with Weitering given their "knocks" both include pace.

Agree mostly. I would take 3rd round trades for Phillips and Jones. Let Levi go for whatever we get in good faith. We need to draft a gorilla fullback and a young pure ruck. Rowe plays next year to back up Weitering Marchbank and Macreadie.

 

[Blue Heart]

Do you have a basis for thinking this?

As far as things go, merely delisting them would be a terrible waste as far as I'm concerned. Make Graham the captain of the Northern Blues - hopefully with their compliance, with him leaving Carlton's list to become a Northern Blues player - and do the same with JGM, because there's no shame in being a good VFL player who can assist draftees in finding the professionalism that AFL requires. If they've been around long enough and have the right mindset but lack the physical requirements or the talent, why not?

No I certainly don't have any bias or aversion to these two being retained as Northern Blues players to help develop the young draftees. I am not certain the club would keep them on the main list, if it had this intention of using these two or others in a mentor type role in mind.

 

[Gethelred]

No I certainly don't have any bias or aversion to these two being retained as Northern Blues players to help develop the young draftees. I am not certain the club would keep them on the main list, if it had this intention of using these two or others in a mentor type role in mind.

Not bias, basis; why do you think these two will be delisted, do you have anything informing your opinion that this will be the case?

I'm not privy to the particular agreement between the Northern Blues and Carlton, so it would really depend on the exact terms and how much power the NB have to choose their own players and manage their own list. Hopefully, they're on board and would be happy to work with us to find a bit of success for both of us, because a strong VFL side translates into decent form at AFL level.

 

[jooce8891]

question, my bad if this has been asked before, but if jgm kicks another 2-4 goals in the vfl would he be on the lIst next year to see if his efforts through out the last games of the season can be repeated for half a year next year? or would it be to late for him to start doing something in the vfl and get delisted anyway?

 

[true blue19]

If we are looking at pure needs and priorities for our list, it is obvious that midfielders are the number one priority, this year and next. The other area that needs addressing/consideration for the medium term, is what we do with ruckmen

Start of next year we have these options:

Kreuzer 30- Talented, heart and soul player, but his body never gives you confidence
Lobbe 30 - Durable, solid and certainly seems highly regarded, could continue to add some value for a couple more years
Phillips 27 - Talented, probably best tap ruckman we have, but does little around the ground and has never been right body wise
TDK - 19 - Finally recruited a ruckman that will have an effect when resting forward, but will take 2-3 preseasons to build his body and core strength

Then we have the backups, that would only be used in case of injuries, Levi 28, Jones 28, Rowe 31 (All are older than injury prone Phillips), McKay 21 (Really don't want him spending most of his time in the ruck)

IMO, we need to perhaps move on/trade/delist a couple of these guys and bring in a ruckman on the cheap in the 23-26 year old bracket. Some of the names that could be considered at other clubs, that might be obtainable

Scott Lycett 26 - FA that has shown is a more than capable ruckman, as well as adding value in the forward line, if someone like a McKay relieves him for periods in the game

Preuss 23 - Really like his size and agression, underrated ruckman and while not dominant as a forward, will at least bring the ball to ground, when resting forward. Minimal cost, such as a mid to late second

Darcy Cameron 23 - Capable as a ruckman and a forward, would also be a cheap option

Not suggesting this is an immediate need, but given the age/options/injury concerns of some on our list, I believe we should be planning for the transition of when someone like a TDK is ready to fill the breach. If we moved on, 2-3 of Levi, Rowe, Jones, Phillips and added one of the above players, it would reduce the talls on our list, while allowing for better coverage

I don’t see a major issue with our rucks unless Kreuzer can’t get over his heart problems

 

[Arr0w]

I don’t see a major issue with our rucks unless Kreuzer can’t get over his heart problems

Phillips has never had an injury free season. MK has missed games apart from heart condition. Do you really think that in 2-3 years that Phillips, MK and Lobbe will still all be in the game and effective? It takes at least that long if not more to develop a ruckman