Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Pt 2

[Old navy]

As exciting as that looks does that tall forward line work these days? We also have TDK so a King doesn't make sense to me. Lukosius is a bit different so maybe? I watched Melbourne yesterday and with Hogan they played Melksham at FF and looked good against a good WCE defence.

IMO we need mids and runners. We have most other spots covered.

It would only work because of McKay and Curnow’s running abilities, they are both freaks and neither are lumbering libilities type.
The King twins probably not the right fit for us, although they are both pretty agile and highly talented 200cm key position players that can play at both ends are pretty rare.
Lukosius could be a good fit for us, contested marking isn’t his best trait, but we could be fine with that, he’s kicking skills are awesome, he can play as a forward or a defender, with potential to even play on a wing.
Rankin’s the one that would fit in perfectly with our forward line, we are light on for mids, but IMO we are lacking an elite goal kicking small forward even more so, Wright has been serviceable, but Rankin on talent is on another level.

If we only have the one top 5 pick, I’d want Bailey Smith, but if we do end up with a high end PP, Rankin would be my 2nd choice.
There is talk that he doesn’t want to leave SA, but the same stuff was being said about Rayner this time last year.

 

[true blue19]

Phillips has never had an injury free season. MK has missed games apart from heart condition. Do you really think that in 2-3 years that Phillips, MK and Lobbe will still all be in the game and effective? It takes at least that long if not more to develop a ruckman

Who develops ruckman you just buy them.

 

[Arr0w]

Who develops ruckman you just buy them.

And that is what I was proposing, should we do it now while some options are cheap, or risk an increased price?

 

[BlueRenaissance]

Phillips has never had an injury free season. MK has missed games apart from heart condition. Do you really think that in 2-3 years that Phillips, MK and Lobbe will still all be in the game and effective? It takes at least that long if not more to develop a ruckman

I think you are spot on with our mid term needs but in a finite world of resources (draft picks) I think SoS did enough last draft with TDK for now. In a perfect world we could look at a Lycett type but i think make do with what we have for the next 3 years and focus on mids and then small fwds/backs equally. Its a high risk strat but think it is our best way to go. Yes, we may get caught out but Lobbe, Phillips and Kruezer should play enough while waiting on TDK and then another 23-26 year old in 2-3 years time - not this draft.

We are haemorrhaging in the midfield (priority 1), and then equally in the small fwds and backs equally (priority 2). spend the earth here...and definitely if we do take Luko.

 

[Stamos]

And that is what I was proposing, should we do it now while some options are cheap, or risk an increased price?

Wait.
No decent ruck will want to come in with Kreuzer still on the list.
And, we currently have adequate back-ups.

Give it a year or two to poach one.

 

[Arr0w]

I think you are spot on with our mid term needs but in a finite world of resources (draft picks) I think SoS did enough last draft with TDK for now. In a perfect world we could look at a Lycett type but i think make do with what we have for the next 3 years and focus on mids and then small fwds/backs equally. Its a high risk strat but think it is our best way to go. Yes, we may get caught out but Lobbe, Phillips and Kruezer should play enough while waiting on TDK and then another 23-26 year old in 2-3 years time - not this draft.

We are haemorrhaging in the midfield (priority 1), and then equally in the small fwds and backs equally (priority 2). spend the earth here...and definitely if we do take Luko.

Not suggesting we should use top end draft currency on a ruckman, the focus was on someone like a Lycett or others I have already mentioned as cheap options

 

[Hands On]

It would only work because of McKay and Curnow’s running abilities, they are both freaks and neither are lumbering libilities type.
The King twins probably not the right fit for us, although they are both pretty agile and highly talented 200cm key position players that can play at both ends are pretty rare.
Lukosius could be a good fit for us, contested marking isn’t his best trait, but we could be fine with that, he’s kicking skills are awesome, he can play as a forward or a defender, with potential to even play on a wing.
Rankin’s the one that would fit in perfectly with our forward line, we are light on for mids, but IMO we are lacking an elite goal kicking small forward even more so, Wright has been serviceable, but Rankin on talent is on another level.

If we only have the one top 5 pick, I’d want Bailey Smith, but if we do end up with a high end PP, Rankin would be my 2nd choice.
There is talk that he doesn’t want to leave SA, but the same stuff was being said about Rayner this time last year.

Definitely need an elite goal kicking small forward, but now we need to build our midfield. Its priority one as it will stem he bleeding in regards t the amount of thrashings we get served up, and Secondly it will give more opportunity to our developing and talented tall forwards.

Lets not forget rotations will be reduced again and if we add 2 good midfielders players like Murphy, Crips, fisher, SPS, Paddy Wow, etc will spend time resting forward. and can help with this deficiency you mentioned. I have thought about this long an hard and believe we need midfielders.

I hope we target midfielders, but turn back the clock throw the psychology interviews out the window and look to add some with mongrel in them. Every team needs a balance of likeable court jesters like Daisy, clean cut citizens, and some bad boy extroverted mongrels. Our players would have to be the nicest guys in the league.

 

[Old navy]

He's still a little apprehensive about crashing packs, but he's starting to get out on the lead more (drawing frees due to his height and wingspan). He's going to trouble blokes one out on the lead for his whole career. He's showing really good mobility too, and is a good kick and good below his knees for a tall bloke. He's quick enough for sure (surprisingly fast even).

Also needs a bit more of a tank.

Needs to smash the gym over Xmas, while also not skimping on the cardio. Shave some decent time off his time trial, and be 4-5 kgs heavier by round 1 2019. I want to see some blokes getting burnt off him with him working up and down the ground, and some defenders getting knocked over like bowling pins more often.

Im feeling much more confident with him now than I was at the start of the year. Reckon he's going to make it.

Pretty sure he still hasn’t turned 21yo yet, so still a fair way off the finished product, but if you take into account, the injuries, the type of player and the fact that he plays in a team on the bottom of the ladder, he’s tracking unbelievably well.
He’s first 15 games look as good as any young key position forward I’ve seen and he seems to tick a lot of boxes in what a KPF needs to have, the pack crashing will come, once he fills out properly, he has the aggression needed, you can see it in his tackling, he wants to crunch blokes.
Think we need to be patient, the kid is still growing vertical, I’d prefer if the club took a slowly slowly approach to weight gain as the last thing we want is to risk aggravating the back and foot problems he’s had.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

Not suggesting we should use top end draft currency on a ruckman, the focus was on someone like a Lycett or others I have already mentioned as cheap options

Lycett for nothing is great and we then delist Phillips. Shuffle the chairs.

Any type of deal that might involve a second rounder is a no IMO.

 

[gbatman]

I wouldn't worry too much about main rucks. TDK will play every game Kreuzer doesn't next season and will take about the same amount of time to develop as Lobbe has left in his career. Wouldn't surprise me if DeKoning naturally transitions past Kreuzer in a year or so. Phillips is a decent player but he seems to be always injured, not sure if we will recontract him or not but if we don't we'll need a ruck to replace him. I would think a ruck is low priority but someone cheap and durable would be alright.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

I wouldn't worry too much about main rucks. TDK will play every game Kreuzer doesn't next season and will take about the same amount of time to develop as Lobbe has left in his career. Wouldn't surprise me if DeKoning naturally transitions past Kreuzer in a year or so. Phillips is a decent player but he seems to be always injured, not sure if we will recontract him or not but if we don't we'll need a ruck to replace him. I would think a ruck is low priority but someone cheap and durable would be alright.

Your sentiment is right on TDK but it will take a bit longer than you think for him to hold down the ruck for half a season or a full season.

Still, i think what you are saying is risk it with what we have already.

 

[blueballs99]

Your sentiment is right on TDK but it will take a bit longer than you think for him to hold down the ruck for half a season or a full season.

Why ? If he has a big preaseason ...gets super fit ...gets his body stronger .. I can't see why not .. he can Ruck out the season providing he doesn't get injured and gets relief from stints with mckay ...and they both can rotate between centre half forward and Ruck ..and remember with continuity with each game he is only gonna get better ...

 

[katmanblue]

Would it be ridiculous if we put it on the table that we'll draft at least one Northern Blues player per year?
Would that alone make the NB's a bit more of a destination club and give us more of a chance of being competitive at this level?

Too risky? Maybe, but it would be novel.

Isnt that why we drafted OShea?

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[katmanblue]

Phillips has never had an injury free season. MK has missed games apart from heart condition. Do you really think that in 2-3 years that Phillips, MK and Lobbe will still all be in the game and effective? It takes at least that long if not more to develop a ruckman

In 3 years tdk and h will be in there 4th and 5th years, should be fine to hold the position down.

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[TheKing101]

If we get McGovern, our forward line is just about complete. Just need 2 small pressure forwards.

 

[Judds Junk]

If we get McGovern, our forward line is just about complete. Just need 2 small pressure forwards.

could McGovern also play in our backline? If was a swingman who could go forward and back, that would seem more attractive to me... compliment McKay & Curnow up forward... Weitering & Marchbank down back...

 

[cookie monster]

If we get McGovern, our forward line is just about complete. Just need 2 small pressure forwards.

I agree. This isn't a matter of "replacing casboult" as some posters are saying. We need a capable mid size forward to complement Curnow and McKay. Think Josh Caddy, and Gunston. Jack Silvagni isn't the answer in this instance.

If we can land MM for the net loss of a second rounder, I will consider that a big win for our list management

 

[Soapy V]

If we get McGovern, our forward line is just about complete. Just need 2 small pressure forwards.

Murphy has to go forward and an improved Fisher, Cuningham, a fit Pickett, a deeper midfield, maybe LeBois are all options. I'd seriously look at McHenry with Pick 30 if available.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Not suggesting we should use top end draft currency on a ruckman, the focus was on someone like a Lycett or others I have already mentioned as cheap options

Why does Lycett leave West Coast with their broken NicNat to come play as a depth option at Carlton?

 

[Soapy V]

Lycett for nothing is great and we then delist Phillips. Shuffle the chairs.

Any type of deal that might involve a second rounder is a no IMO.

Apparently we haven't spoken with him and he is choosing between Port or St Kilda

 

[Arr0w]

Why does Lycett leave West Coast with their broken NicNat to come play as a depth option at Carlton?

He probably doesn't, was just another option that I mentioned

 

[TheKing101]

could McGovern also play in our backline? If was a swingman who could go forward and back, that would seem more attractive to me... compliment McKay & Curnow up forward... Weitering & Marchbank down back...

It’s possible. We don’t really have a swing man that can be effective at both ends.

 

[tencentpiece]

Also, to those in the know, (tencentpiece ) is there a chance that Jesse Glass-McCasker gets to go around again next season, maybe as a forward or just as a player on the Northern Blues list?

Not sure, usually decisions like that aren't made until the last minute.

 

[Crippa16]

Pick 1 & 24 for Shiel & Setterfield.
Any takers?
I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Soapy V]

It’s possible. We don’t really have a swing man that can be effective at both ends.

Macreadie, Jack, Jones even Weitering. McGovern will be a forward. It's what we need and our defence has lots of options