List Mgmt. 2019 Draft/Trade/FA Thread - Final Wrap

[OB11]

Lewy Taylor is not good

 

[CommittedSuns]

Lewy Taylor is not good

Wasn’t he the rising star a few years back

 

[Stroppy]

Tbh, I don't think we will be happy about what we get for Ah Chee.
Simply has not played enough at a high enough level.

There will be good 18 years olds available at pick 30 and most clubs would prefer the draft pick, the instinctive over-valuation of the unknown.

If we get pick 35 we will have done well.

 

[kreglze]

Lewy Taylor is not good

Always seems to rip us a new one when he has played us (or seems like it anyway) and is durable, difference from Ah Chee who may be more talented but spends all his talent on the physio table.

There would be other players in the Lions NEAFL team that could do a job.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Martin Pick 6-10
Ah Chee pick 19-23
What you are saying is insulting when said on this board even though you normally are a legend.

You right now have your Lions hat on and want to feast on our difficult predicament.

Didn't mean to be insulting. I think trades between our clubs should be fair, there's no point in us ripping off the Suns, it's winning the battle but losing the war (by that I mean the war to make Queensland an Australian rules state). We'll see how it all turns out in the end. Someone once said that sign of a balanced deal is when neither side is totally happy with the outcome, so maybe their value is somewhere in between.

I should note that I'm more than happy to rip off the Victorian knobs.

 

[gcsunsfc]

Lewis Taylor is not a better player than Cal

 

[Mini GF]

Didn't mean to be insulting. I think trades between our clubs should be fair, there's no point in us ripping off the Suns, it's winning the battle but losing the war (by that I mean the war to make Queensland an Australian rules state). We'll see how it all turns out in the end. Someone once said that sign of a balanced deal is when neither side is totally happy with the outcome, so maybe their value is somewhere in between.

I should note that I'm more than happy to rip off the Victorian knobs.

I have respect for you JB. If I ever rip in please remember that.
Same with Turbo over at that disgusting Handbaggers Franchise. Respect.

 

[Peel67skin]

If ah chee is worth third or fourth round, send him to the draft, waste of time getting 4th round pick, by that time other club already finished their ND draft pick.

 

[gcsunsfc]

If ah chee is worth third or fourth round, send him to the draft, waste of time getting 4th round pick, by that time other club already finished their ND draft pick.

Judging from what has been said he is not leaving on bad terms.
Wouldn't be a sensible thing to do.
He is clearly worth more than a 4th round pick and Brisbane would be happy to pay what he is worth I'd suspect.

 

[Jirik13]

Didn't mean to be insulting. I think trades between our clubs should be fair, there's no point in us ripping off the Suns, it's winning the battle but losing the war (by that I mean the war to make Queensland an Australian rules state). We'll see how it all turns out in the end. Someone once said that sign of a balanced deal is when neither side is totally happy with the outcome, so maybe their value is somewhere in between.

I should note that I'm more than happy to rip off the Victorian knobs.

Sorry but Lions getting after our players I am hoping it's on from now on and Suns will return favour one day. I am still filthy Ah Chee is leaving

 

[THE_GUN]

If whats been said about Brisbane getting in to Callum Ah Chee which has been offered a 4 year deal then they can pay the price

If I was in charge of GC i would be asking for 1 or 2 things

1. 1st round pick
They have targeted the kid and given / offered a 4 year deal then he is worth that currency #15-#20 with maybe a 3rd going back if they are nice

2. Ely Smith or Connor McFadyen , Connor is a brute of a player that should have gone 2st round and will be a player as well as being a queensland academy kid which would be perfect for the Suns

 

[Jirik13]

If whats been said about Brisbane getting in to Callum Ah Chee which has been offered a 4 year deal then they can pay the price

If I was in charge of GC i would be asking for 1 or 2 things

1. 1st round pick
They have targeted the kid and given / offered a 4 year deal then he is worth that currency #15-#20 with maybe a 3rd going back if they are nice

2. Ely Smith or Connor McFadyen , Connor is a brute of a player that should have gone 2st round and will be a player as well as being a queensland academy kid which would be perfect for the Suns

Exactly, Suns should go after their good prospects who don't play AFL due to no injuries.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

2. Ely Smith or Connor McFadyen , Connor is a brute of a player that should have gone 2st round and will be a player as well as being a queensland academy kid which would be perfect for the Suns

That'll never happen. Both of them are younger and more valuable than Ah Chee. This regime at Brisbane don't pay stupid prices. Ah Chee is uncontracted, Gold Coast don't have the advantage here that they would were he contracted.

 

[THE_GUN]

Exactly, Suns should go after their good prospects who don't play AFL due to no injuries.

Well they have committed to the kid and he has informed his club of his wishes to move, Now its upto them o get the deal done

1. 1st rounder
2. Ely Smith
3. Connor McFadyen

Take your pick brissie

 

[THE_GUN]

That'll never happen. Both of them are younger and more valuable than Ah Chee. This regime at Brisbane don't pay stupid prices. Ah Chee is uncontracted, Gold Coast don't have the advantage here that they would were he contracted.

Why ???

Ah Chee was a top 10 pick thats been injured and Brisbane have come for him
McFadyen is a pick #43 academy kid
Smith pick #21

neither player has played a game and is extremely speculative , Totally fair imo

 

[Johnny Bananas]

1. 1st rounder
2. Ely Smith
3. Connor McFadyen

Take your pick brissie

Not sure you understand how this all works. Brisbane can easily just walk away rather than being held to ransom. If this were Gold Coast's negotiating position, well, hope Callum likes the Demons.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Why ???

Ah Chee was a top 10 pick thats been injured and Brisbane have come for him
McFadyen is a pick #43 academy kid
Smith pick #21

neither player has played a game and is extremely speculative , Totally fair imo

Ah Chee is three years older and has shown very little at senior level. Being injured is not a plus, it reduces the value of a player since he is at risk of aggravating his previous injuries. Draft position is only one factor, and several draft watchers would argue Ah Chee was a reach anyway. If draft position was the be all and end all, Scrimshaw would have gone for much more, same with Schache.

 

[Peel67skin]

Not sure you understand how this all works. Brisbane can easily just walk away rather than being held to ransom. If this were Gold Coast's negotiating position, well, hope Callum likes the Demons.

I actually don't mind Brisbane walk away , last year wasted all the second and third round pick for Brisbane second Rd. A late third or a fourth is just a waste of time. Can't even used it to get greenwood, keath.betts, although I not interested in keath but at least you need some decent draft pick to exchange to be in negotiations phase.

 

[THE_GUN]

Not sure you understand how this all works. Brisbane can easily just walk away rather than being held to ransom. If this were Gold Coast's negotiating position, well, hope Callum likes the Demons.

I think you dont understand , Brisbane cannot just walk away after making a commitment and getting the player to leave his club
The responsibility is to get the deal done and complete their obligation

Richmond never intended to pass on pick #6 for Prestia but had to due to making a commitment to him to get the deal done, These things mean alot to player managers and potential players in the future . Cameron was a pick #20+ type player but lions had to cough up #12

You guys should not give up on a quality top 10 picked player thats just 21

 

[gcsunsfc]

I think you dont understand , Brisbane cannot just walk away after making a commitment and getting the player to leave his club
The responsibility is to get the deal done and complete their obligation

Richmond never intended to pass on pick #6 for Prestia but had to due to making a commitment to him to get the deal done, These things mean alot to player managers and potential players in the future . Cameron was a pick #20+ type player but lions had to cough up #12

You guys should not give up on a quality top 10 picked player thats just 21

Depends on what has been said between parties, but couldn't Ah Chee just re-sign with GC.
From the inside word, Dew likes him.
We offered him a contract, Brisbane just chose to offer more money and years.
If a deal cannot be reached and Brisbane choose to walk away, what stops him from re-signing with us?

Genuinely don't know - just curious about this.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think you dont understand , Brisbane cannot just walk away after making a commitment and getting the player to leave his club

Why, is there a law somewhere saying they can't? If so, there'd be no condition whatsoever for a PSD to ever happen, but actually there is.

Richmond never intended to pass on pick #6 for Prestia but had to due to making a commitment to him to get the deal done, These things mean alot to player managers and potential players in the future . Cameron was a pick #20+ type player but lions had to cough up #12

Prestia had other suitors willing to pay a similar price if Richmond wouldn't strike a deal. Cameron was contracted. Adelaide held the whip hand because if no deal was struck they'd retain him. Gold Coast don't have that advantage, they don't necessarily keep Ah Chee next year if Brisbane walks away. Will there be other clubs willing to cough up their first or a recent high draft pick for Ah Chee? Will Ah Chee accept Gold Coast's offer? We'll see.

You guys should not give up on a quality top 10 picked player thats just 21

I didn't know our only choices were either giving up or being extorted. But if that does end up being the choice Gold Coast gives Brisbane, I'll gladly support giving up.

 

[Mini GF]

I think you dont understand , Brisbane cannot just walk away after making a commitment and getting the player to leave his club
The responsibility is to get the deal done and complete their obligation

Richmond never intended to pass on pick #6 for Prestia but had to due to making a commitment to him to get the deal done, These things mean alot to player managers and potential players in the future . Cameron was a pick #20+ type player but lions had to cough up #12

You guys should not give up on a quality top 10 picked player thats just 21

Pick 19-23 and they get a young skilful kid from the top 10 in the draft that’s shown plenty when in first grade but hasn’t had a good run at it.
Clearly they want him given they’ve blown us out the water with their money and duration.
Pay up-if it’s too much then walk away we will take him back no problem, after all we’ve offered him a contract.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think you dont understand , Brisbane cannot just walk away after making a commitment and getting the player to leave his club
The responsibility is to get the deal done and complete their obligation

Moreover, if Brisbane are obligated to get a deal done if they've made a commitment to Ah Chee, why stop at one of those three demands? Why not demand all three? Why not demand Lachie Neale and Charlie Cameron in the bargain too? Because apparently Brisbane "cannot just walk away", no matter what the demand is.

Pay up-if it’s too much then walk away we will take him back no problem, after all we’ve offered him a contract.

Has he accepted this contract? If not, I wonder why you're so confident.

 

[Peel67skin]

Pick 14-18, 52 ah ah chee for. Pick 19,35 42, 53.
Pick 19 for BETTS, Greenwood and keath.
If last year GCS willing to give up multiple second and third for Brisbane second, I can't see why Brisbane being a di** now.

 

[Peel67skin]

Has he accepted this contract? If not, I wonder why you're so confident.

I thought you said you want to walk away. Do it don't just talk. We dare you, don't bother for a late third waste of time.