2019 Draft

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That first trade is horrific lol

Whole thing is horrific

Interesting ...... from the AFL site

The Giants face the sticky and complicated situation of going into the most significant Draft Value Index (DVI) deficit in the system's five years of existence, depending on where a bid is placed on their Academy gun Tom Green.Rival clubs believe local foes Sydney – who holds pick No.5 in next week's draft – is the most likely team to call Green's name on Wednesday night, which would force GWS to find 1502 DVI points to match the bid.
However, after that particular selection, the Giants currently hold picks No.40, 59, 60, 80 and 94 later in the draft. Collectively, that equates to just 733 DVI points.

It means that all of those picks would be shifted to the back end of the draft order, while the club would still need to find a further 769 DVI points the following season to match the bid for Green.

While the numbers can be confusing, the bottom line is that it could leave the Giants facing the daunting prospect of starting next year's player movement period without a single pick until the third or potentially even the fourth round of the 2020 national draft.

That is in part due to the complicating factor that GWS traded its 2020 first-round selection in a deal with Adelaide on Tuesday in an effort to snare pick No.4 and potentially leapfrog a bid on Green.

Dockers are in a world of hurt as well IMO, especially if Carlton bid on Henry at their first pick (currently 9 but likely to drop to 10) as the Dockers only have 536 points worth of picks in hand (470 once Green bid pushes back their current picks). To match a bid at pick 10, they require 1116 points after discount, which means they still require 646-580 points. That means next years first pick, say they had pick 10, would drop down to pick 27 once the deficit points are accounted for. Reckon that's a big price to pay for Henry who is small mid/forward.

Unfortunately i dont see many clubs coming for our later picks now that the latest trades have happened and the club's needing points are sorted, We can only trade them out for 2020 picks if clubs are desperate with a player they like still on the board , But i would rather trade out our 2020 picks than trade in picks for next year.

Better for us as we can sit back at the end of the second round and take our pick of the 3 best remaining kids on the board and address some list needs at the same time, while pick 56 probably comes forward to end up inside the top 50 as well. Just stockpile the talent and develop them the Richmond way and maintain the current successful era for as long as possible.

 

[Cotchy9]

Our game plan requires elite levels of gut run and defensive pressure which again makes me think we’ll look hard at Rantall who smashed the combine. Huge upside there imo

 

[captain cotch 9]

My wish list for 19
1-Bianco
2-Pickett

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Rantall will be a Richmond Man.

 

[Cotchy9]

Rantall will be a Richmond Man.

Heard something? I’m seriously warming to him. All his stat lines are right up there, his athletic profile is huge and only just started concentrating on footy full time. Could be anything

 

[Conca Cuddle]

1. Bianco
2. Gould
3. Stephens

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Rantall, Stephens or Pickett will do for me.

 

[4tune8]

Did anyone think that out of last years draft we would have picked up Ross, Stack and Pickett?

Genuine question.

 

[tigs2010]

Anyone for mine.

Whoever we pick will be a premiership player soon. Can't ask for much more than that with a pick in the 20's

 

[NZ_Tiger]

And then there is this kid who could be very special - I hope we take him with a late one if he is still there - we can afford the risk!:

Class of 2019: Tough year fails to shake 'X-factor' forward's belief
Callum Twomey

AS THE Oakleigh Chargers roared towards their NAB League premiership win over the Eastern Ranges, Dylan Williams was watching the Grand Final from the sidelines at Ikon Park.

A year earlier, he was out there for the Chargers – that time in a hard-fought Grand Final loss to the Dandenong Stingrays.

That defeat was no fault of the 17-year-old Williams, who booted four goals as part of a dazzling finals series that saw him kick 14 goals and establish himself as one of the highly rated talents for the following year.

Williams celebrates one of his goals in the 2018 TAC Cup Grand Final.

Playing as a deep forward, the 185cm prospect took high grabs, created chances from nothing, was dangerous at ground level and nearly every opportunity he got around goal he converted. He kicked 26 goals from 16 games last season, proving himself as one to watch.

But Williams spent more time doing the watching than he would have hoped this year, making him one of the most fascinating players in this year's crop.

"I'm definitely frustrated. I had a pretty poor start to the year and then on top of that I had injuries in the middle and back-end of the year that held me out. Overall it was a pretty hard year," he told AFL.com.au.

The challenges started early. After struggling for form to begin the season, he received a knock to his leg in the first game for Vic Metro and then had a groin injury in the second game. He was limited to only two appearances in the carnival.

His championships, therefore, didn't reach the heights he had hoped for.

Following the Vic Metro carnival, Williams had another setback: a stress fracture in his back that saw him miss the final 10 weeks of the season, including Oakleigh's charge to the flag.

"They thought it was a muscular issue for a while, so I trained after I felt it and played the next week but I couldn't move," he said.

"I pushed through but then I said I thought it was something else, so I got a scan and I had the stress fracture.

"Initially I was told my season was over and we went to see a specialist and I hoped I could get back for the preliminary final or maybe the Grand Final.

"But two weeks before the Grand Final they said I was healing really well and it was better for my future to rule out a return and keep my rehab up."


It leaves Williams' draft position as a mystery. His talent is undoubted by recruiters, but they wanted to see him improve his endurance this year, run more and control games rather than dip in and out.

"I definitely have to work on it. With my back injury I've been doing a lot of rehab, so conditioning on the bike or swimming. I'm feeling the fittest I've ever been and the strongest I've ever been which is really good," he said.

"I've dropped 10 on my skinfolds since I've been in rehab so that's a result of working hard."

What Williams has is game-turning ability. Close to goal he can change a result – obvious earlier this year when, after three quiet quarters, he kicked three goals in the last term against Calder Cannons to win Oakleigh the game.

He has also spent time in the midfield, where he has impacted, and across half-back, where his vision and game sense helps sets up the play.

But after kicking more than 40 goals in the NAB League over the past two seasons, Williams is most proven in attack. He's aware of his flaws, but also believes in his tricks. He hopes clubs see and think the same.

"I think my point of difference is my X-factor," he said.

"I like the big moments and I like the pressure, when all eyes are on me and thinking 'Is he going to do it?' Or that pressure that they don't think I'm going to do it.

"I'm always still really confident in myself. At the start of the year I was playing badly but I always have the confidence that I'm the best player on the field when I'm there and I have game-winning ability."

Ben Lennon.


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[DoItForCaptBlood]

All these pick trades happening with clubs jumping up the order.
It's a bit like when there are roadworks and everyone mutually agrees to start merging way back except for some assholes who decide to go pass all the merging traffic and force their way in much further ahead.
And some weak prick always lets them in, instead of saying fu** you and locking them out in no-mans land.

It can get really frustrating, but sometimes you are the RFC, with the sunroof open, good tunes playing and not really fussed about what pricks and assholes are doing ahead of you, just happy enough with where you are and in no desperate hurry

Nice analogy.

Except I am that prck screaming down the inside lane. Dont even indicate to merge!!

 

[Phar Ace]

Ben Lennon.


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Yeah, it's an easy name to use as a form of abuse

 

[Phar Ace]

Did anyone think that out of last years draft we would have picked up Ross, Stack and Pickett?

Genuine question.

Odd question using those candidates as Ross was the only one chosen last year in the National Draft.....

STACK
Richmond applies for permission to have Sydney Stack train with the team with a view to adding him under new rookie rules.
If given the green light, Stack will arrive at Tigerland on December 1, and can train with Richmond during the pre-season supplemental selection period until March 15.

He could then join Richmond's list under the new rookie rules.

Stack was regarded as one of the most talented of WA's draft hopefuls but was overlooked in last week's NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft.

Nat Edwards for AFL.com.au

PICKETT
Richmond select Marlion Pickett with pick 13 in the 2019 Mid-Season Rookie Draft.
Pickett had long tried to put himself on the AFL radar but the stigma of his two-and-a-half-year jail stint as a teenager continued to linger.

Pickett approached his now agent Anthony Van Der Wielen, who he had known for six years through the WAFL, in a plea for help.

Marc McGowan for AFL.com.au

 

[4tune8]

Odd question using those candidates as Ross was the only one chosen last year in the National Draft.....

STACK
Richmond applies for permission to have Sydney Stack train with the team with a view to adding him under new rookie rules.
If given the green light, Stack will arrive at Tigerland on December 1, and can train with Richmond during the pre-season supplemental selection period until March 15.

He could then join Richmond's list under the new rookie rules.

Stack was regarded as one of the most talented of WA's draft hopefuls but was overlooked in last week's NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft.

Nat Edwards for AFL.com.au

PICKETT
Richmond select Marlion Pickett with pick 13 in the 2019 Mid-Season Rookie Draft.
Pickett had long tried to put himself on the AFL radar but the stigma of his two-and-a-half-year jail stint as a teenager continued to linger.

Pickett approached his now agent Anthony Van Der Wielen, who he had known for six years through the WAFL, in a plea for help.

Marc McGowan for AFL.com.au

Maybe it's an odd question, but both Stack and Pickett had nominated for the draft, and I remember that Stack had been touted as a 1st round pick, whilst Pickett had been mentioned quite a bit as a mature age draftee. Plus I didn't see any mention of Ross as one of our targets.

I was just throwing these guys out there because next weeks draft might show us some lads that we pick that aren't on anyones radar. But they are on the recruiters radar.

 

[Stylo]

Gotta say, the AFL's draft media (namely video) this year is absolute trash. It's usually bad, but they've managed to go backwards somehow. The highlight packages are all around 1 min long, and they don't even have all of them up yet (e.g. Bianco).

I'd be even more mad if I supported a shit club and relied on the draft for kicks this time of year.

 

[smurfin]

Maybe it's an odd question, but both Stack and Pickett had nominated for the draft, and I remember that Stack had been touted as a 1st round pick, whilst Pickett had been mentioned quite a bit as a mature age draftee. Plus I didn't see any mention of Ross as one of our targets.

I was just throwing these guys out there because next weeks draft might show us some lads that we pick that aren't on anyones radar. But they are on the recruiters radar.

I have found my notes from last year's draft. I'm no expert, but go from what all the "experts" on bigfooty think, and merge their rankings into my own rough order. I had removes Father/son & academy selections as no chance.
I had RCD 9th - no chance of being there at our pick 17. Liam Stocker or Luke Valente I thought more likely.
Sydney Stack I had at 25, Fraser Turner 26, Luke English 41, Jack Ross 55. This is just a reflection of the "hype" around each of these players. Ross was definitely under the radar according to BigFooty, but obviously the club knows better.

 

[Mr Magic]

Ben Lennon.


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This guys has pace though doesn't he as well as being a left footer as a point of difference compliment??

 

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AFL site dream draft and list needs

RICHMOND
Draft selections: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56, 75, 77, 95

List gaps: There's not many holes in a side that's won two of the past three flags. Lost a little bit of running depth with the delisting of Connor Menadue, and probably need to stock up on a forward or two given the absence of Dan Butler (St Kilda), Jacob Townsend and Callum Moore (delisted). With David Astbury (29 years old) and Alex Rance (31) closer to the end of their careers than the start, a young key defender wouldn't go astray.

The priority: It definitely won't have an impact on the club next year given the very strong list, but with an eye to the future, the forward line may need a boost or two. The Tigers loaded up on midfielders in last year's draft, meaning a tall back could also be on the cards.

Dream draft according to Cal Twomey: Sam De Koning is right in Richmond's range with its first selection, so if the Tigers are keen to introduce more young key backs to their group then he would be worth considering. Charlie Comben, potentially with one of the Tigers' second-round selections, may be in the mix as a tall forward who can be brought in with time to develop.

 

[Mr Magic]

AFL site dream draft and list needs

RICHMOND
Draft selections: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56, 75, 77, 95

List gaps: There's not many holes in a side that's won two of the past three flags. Lost a little bit of running depth with the delisting of Connor Menadue, and probably need to stock up on a forward or two given the absence of Dan Butler (St Kilda), Jacob Townsend and Callum Moore (delisted). With David Astbury (29 years old) and Alex Rance (31) closer to the end of their careers than the start, a young key defender wouldn't go astray.

The priority: It definitely won't have an impact on the club next year given the very strong list, but with an eye to the future, the forward line may need a boost or two. The Tigers loaded up on midfielders in last year's draft, meaning a tall back could also be on the cards.

Dream draft according to Cal Twomey: Sam De Koning is right in Richmond's range with its first selection, so if the Tigers are keen to introduce more young key backs to their group then he would be worth considering. Charlie Comben, potentially with one of the Tigers' second-round selections, may be in the mix as a tall forward who can be brought in with time to develop.

For me players have to pick themselves to a degree in a sense what they show has a little pick me. Its not enough simply to be picked because we might need something and they are available for pure convenience


If you follow that needs criteria we need to pick all left footers and dual sided players because we have too many right sided players especially with Houli not far off calling it a day not to mention forward line where we have a few similar types with a combination of bigs and smalls with little other such a left footer would be strengthening one side of the forward line for kicking theoretically as well as leads for a left footer and point of attack

Afl website mentions Charlie Comben as a possible need. With heavy investment into Lynch there is no way we need someone of that type especially when we have Balta, Chol and others as well which also means we do not need a ruck prospect yet adding in Nank and Soldo. If Lynch goes down we play a different way and get ready for his return, we cannot replace Lynch with a cheap foil just like we cannot replace Dusty. This is why its smart for us to manage Lynch as a key lynch pin to the team no pun intended. If we get Charlie Comben that means we over paid for Lynch because its saying we could have got a lessor type to play a similar role anticipating to still get the chocolates and is also saying Balta and Chol along with others belong on the scrap heap. The only way one would consider a ruck is if a Grundy type, supposedly Jackson has similarities slides to 19 or our first.

We have a big investment in Dusty to, he should be more durable in theory but we do not want to be busting his balls all season to and we should be looking at longevity for Dusty as well and we cannot replace him either. The fact no other player does what Dusty does with the versatility, even a lessor type are not around with the versatility but even if they were they would not have the impact and Dusty is all about the impact

 

[Charlie Pannam]

I’ll be interested to hear what our list management and recruiting team have to say after the draft is over re attempting to trade up.
I think like a lot of teams out there we were probably keen but lacked the currency other teams had. Not getting end of first for Ellis has hurt.
Still have the opportunity draft night but it’s looking unlikely now. I reckon we’d have loved to have landed McAsey. Perfect time to draft a quality kpb with Tross and Astbury at the tail end of their careers

 

[GoTigers2015]

AFL site dream draft and list needs

RICHMOND
Draft selections: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56, 75, 77, 95

List gaps: There's not many holes in a side that's won two of the past three flags. Lost a little bit of running depth with the delisting of Connor Menadue, and probably need to stock up on a forward or two given the absence of Dan Butler (St Kilda), Jacob Townsend and Callum Moore (delisted). With David Astbury (29 years old) and Alex Rance (31) closer to the end of their careers than the start, a young key defender wouldn't go astray.

The priority: It definitely won't have an impact on the club next year given the very strong list, but with an eye to the future, the forward line may need a boost or two. The Tigers loaded up on midfielders in last year's draft, meaning a tall back could also be on the cards.

Dream draft according to Cal Twomey: Sam De Koning is right in Richmond's range with its first selection, so if the Tigers are keen to introduce more young key backs to their group then he would be worth considering. Charlie Comben, potentially with one of the Tigers' second-round selections, may be in the mix as a tall forward who can be brought in with time to develop.

Best available with pick 19 (Stephens or Rivers possibly) and best key defender / forward with 38-40
Mitch Georgiardes hopefully will still be available

 

[tigs2010]

While its an exciting time next week for many young footballers, lets spare a moment for the blokes drafted by Carlton next week. Poor bastards.

 

[Phar Ace]

Maybe it's an odd question, but both Stack and Pickett had nominated for the draft, and I remember that Stack had been touted as a 1st round pick, whilst Pickett had been mentioned quite a bit as a mature age draftee. Plus I didn't see any mention of Ross as one of our targets.

I was just throwing these guys out there because next weeks draft might show us some lads that we pick that aren't on anyones radar. But they are on the recruiters radar.

I understand completely that Stack and Pickett were nominated in the 2018 National Draft and both were completely over looked there, as well as the follow up Rookie Draft. That's why it was odd when having a discussion about the 2019 National Draft. If a kid nominates, he's analysed, pure and simple, and then picked or overlooked by everyone.

As to the hightlighted message above, with the hundred of thousands of dollars a Club throws at recruiting now (millions across the League) I'd be disappointing if that were not the case quite frankly. What we have on BigFooty is a mishmash of amateur to experienced footy eyes using a fraction of the intel that the recruitment system use.

Sometimes though, I wonder, whether analysis paralysis can set in because if you analyse something to death often enough you can lose direction and forget which way you are even facing. I'm sure Clubs are across that dilemma too.

 

[Richo83]

Yeah I wouldn't draft a KPF either. I know Riewoldt is on the wrong side of 30 but he's been fairly durable during his career, and IMO a KPF in the later rounds would probably be stashed in the VFL, only to be wasted and eventually either be delisted or look for options elsewhere. Richmond has a lot of money and spots tied up in KPFs, investing more just seems like an opportunity cost.

I'd be focusing on the midfield as the fringe types still need competition. Maybe in the later rounds a KPD would be nice as Rance is 29, Astbury is 28 and Grimes is 27. I'd hold off on using a first rounder though, as this year showed us that Rance isn't actually needed to win the flag, and Astbury (second round pick) and Grimes (PSD) can hold down the fort nicely. In fact if you look at our defence, often said to be league best, there hasn't been that much drafts capital spent on it. Houli PSD, Short rookie pick, Vlastuin pick nine, Broad pick 67 ND, So Richmond was able to win the flag with one fiirst rounder, one second rounders and the rest late picks or PSD/rookie picks. Unless a genuine KPD star talent comes along, I'd continue to stock up the midfield. I'd be nice to, for instance, play Martin as permanent forward a la Bartlett. Get him to 400 games

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

For me players have to pick themselves to a degree in a sense what they show has a little pick me. Its not enough simply to be picked because we might need something and they are available for pure convenience


If you follow that needs criteria we need to pick all left footers and dual sided players because we have too many right sided players especially with Houli not far off calling it a day not to mention forward line where we have a few similar types with a combination of bigs and smalls with little other such a left footer would be strengthening one side of the forward line for kicking theoretically as well as leads for a left footer and point of attack

Afl website mentions Charlie Comben as a possible need. With heavy investment into Lynch there is no way we need someone of that type especially when we have Balta, Chol and others as well which also means we do not need a ruck prospect yet adding in Nank and Soldo. If Lynch goes down we play a different way and get ready for his return, we cannot replace Lynch with a cheap foil just like we cannot replace Dusty. This is why its smart for us to manage Lynch as a key lynch pin to the team no pun intended. If we get Charlie Comben that means we over paid for Lynch because its saying we could have got a lessor type to play a similar role anticipating to still get the chocolates and is also saying Balta and Chol along with others belong on the scrap heap. The only way one would consider a ruck is if a Grundy type, supposedly Jackson has similarities slides to 19 or our first.

We have a big investment in Dusty to, he should be more durable in theory but we do not want to be busting his balls all season to and we should be looking at longevity for Dusty as well and we cannot replace him either. The fact no other player does what Dusty does with the versatility, even a lessor type are not around with the versatility but even if they were they would not have the impact and Dusty is all about the impact

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