News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here! (Part 2)

[CutAboveTheRest]

Interesting that Reid hinted we will be going after Lukosius next season. You would want to hope and pray that we have had the discussion with him and his manager about this to 1. ensure he holds off signing a contract extension & 2. To make sure he chooses us and not port as we don't want a bidding war with them as they WILL sell the farm to get him - they have shown that before when they want someone. Bu

Standard Justin Reid.. Such a spud.

 

[ams4crows]

Rumour going around on the Suns board that we've offered pick 15 this year and our 2020 first rounder for Crouch. Thoughts?

If that happens we'd just be handing back your 1st next year for Luko.

Brad wants to stay, he has said it multiple times now, they only way you guys get Crouch is if you give us Luko as a starting point.

This is all smoke and mirrors by his management to get him a better contract at Adelaide

 

[Elite Crow]

Rumour going around on the Suns board that we've offered pick 15 this year and our 2020 first rounder for Crouch. Thoughts?

That Eppo poster is he like one of the troll flogs on here or does he have info generally?

 

[Peter Doherty]

After what happened this year, we would be chumps to do that deal. Best case scenario is Crows would likely get pick 1 and have in downgraded to pick 3 when the AFL comes in and gives your s**thouse club more priority picks.

Or adding Rankine, Brad Crouch, Rowell, Anderson, Ellis, Greenwood and another year into King and Lukosius propells GC to just outside the 8.

 

[jenny61_99]

Can handle the truth? FMD - this is what the millennials problem is. Want everything handled on a platter. Need to be cuddled, need to be rewarded, need this, need that. FMD.

Oh and I’ll add another issue - work ethic.

I have no problem speaking out and calling bulls**t when I see it.

The failure of the club to address issues mid year (would suggest that was asked by the players) is the main problem. And yes, Campo, Burton and Chapman need to go.

These generalisations are NOT helpful. There are lazy arse baby boomers who became hippies and lived on the dole, just as there are go gettum millennials. My kid (a millennial of baby boomer parents) has an incredible work ethic - learned by watching his mum and dad. His resilience was something we had to work on when he was little because it didn’t come naturally to him. Some kids are born super resilient. My kid also will call out unfair treatment or situations.... because he learned to by watching us. If you see lazy, entitled kids.... thank their ****ing parents.

 

[Shaz2012]

What a load of Crap. re the Camp. Yes, the Camp divided the team, And yes the people reasonable need to be removed for more reasons than the Camp. A lot more reasons.
But for all this carry on about it affecting the team 2 years later,
Maybe the people who organised the camp were right, Our Players are mentally weak,
Blame the coaches yes, blame Burton, yes, To me, the there biggest issue was getting the wrong people to run the camp a lack of professionalism in today times. But its certainly sounds like some of our players are mentally weak. and when you get several in the same group issue's arise

CEY said the camp did affect him and some of the players maybe just maybe being delisted in 2017, and Rookie listed with a year out of football, and not getting a senior spot may have affected him as well, But if he blaming the Camp 2 year latter he needs to toughen up.
Wow 2 years and it's still an issue and the younger players were not involved.

One good thing is after this trade period most of the players and staff that were affected/involved will not be on the list. maybe we can then toughen up and get on with playing football.
Maybe the club would have been better removing a few of these players last year.

I am sliding into this way of thinking too. First, I cannot for a second excuse, condone or accept the utter incompetence of those responsible. Heads must roll. Burtons head is an absolute minimum.

But no matter how much blame there is from that side, how can we accept the way this playing group reacted. Two years later and the group still downed tools. I am so ****ing ropable at the PLAYERS for how they acted in the second half of this season. They were embarrassing. Have some ****ing pride. They were disgusting. I am not for a second singling our Eddie, who I thought was actually fine considering his age. Didn’t think he downed tools. But some of the efforts of our senior players, including our B&F and many of our top 10 were just pathetic.

So maybe you are right. Maybe the guys that organised the camp were on to something. Even if they had absolutely no clue on how to go about it. I want to see this shit show burnt to the ground. From the ashes we can start again. Trade the crouch brothers. Trade Gibbs, Laird, Smith and Lynch. Tex can play SANFL next year. Let’s play the next generation and Unearth a new generation of leaders.

Brown Talia Kelly
Milera Butts Doedee
Gallucci Sloane Atkins
Frampton Fogarty Davis
McAdam Himmelberg McHenry
ROB Poholke Jones

Hartigan Scholl Hamill Seedsman

 

[GC2015]

That Eppo poster is he like one of the troll flogs on here or does he have info generally?

Usually pretty reliable. I think he knows someone within the club.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Or adding Rankine, Brad Crouch, Rowell, Anderson, Ellis, Greenwood and another year into King and Lukosius propells GC to just outside the 8.

Exactly. This is why I said best case scenario.

 

[arsene wenger1]

Or adding Rankine, Brad Crouch, Rowell, Anderson, Ellis, Greenwood and another year into King and Lukosius propells GC to just outside the 8.

Exactly, pick 2 this year. Enough of the future picks

 

[kirky]

Thanks to their baby boomer parents who gave them everything and did everything for them.....

Gen X are even worse.

Any rate, there are good and bad in each generation but we need to get rid of any autocratic arseholes who think their shit doesn’t stink at the AFC.

 

[ad victoriam]

One interesting issue I have is that we need to hit multiple drafts, we cannot just rely on the 2019 draft.

So having multiple picks in the 2020 draft is going to further help with the rebuild.

I hate to say this but we are 4 years away at least from a title shot.

Don't forget in a way we started the rebuild in 2018, Jones, McHenry, Hamill, Sholl, and Butts, add that to Fogarty and maybe McPherson.
and a possible 6 players under pick 50 this year,
2020 looking closer to a trade-oriented period (Luko), More so if Borliase and Edwards kick on. then we only need a range of 2nd and 3rd to cover the cost.

 

[JimmyTheScoop]

Ironic as only this morning Kym Dillon on SEN SA who gets all his info from Ian Shuttleworth was trying to say it was all a beat up. An hour later Cam says this.

Shutts can p*ss off too, he’s on the list.

 

[Smoooothy]

Adelaide - GC trade
OUT
B Crouch, Pick 4, Jenkins, Greenwood, pick 28
IN
Pick 1, 2, 20

personally, if GC pick up jenkin's wage, I would do that in a heartbeat

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Gen X are even worse.

Any rate, there are good and bad in each generation but we need to get rid of any autocratic arseholes who think their s**t doesn’t stink at the AFC.

Oh so now you've had a whinge about millennials there are "good and bad people in each generation". **** off.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Shutts can p*ss off too, he’s on the list.

Surprised his name doesn't come up more often around here. I know he's been dealt a rough hand but his performance has been woeful.

 

[GrommoT]

It may have been, I've always thought it was Burton.

That said, it was a long time ago, so the memory could be fuzzy as to who. If so, I'll happily stand corrected.

Let me refresh that for you

Players quizzed over investments - theage today

 

[JimmyTheScoop]

Rob Harding, pretty sure he is leaving Essendon this off season. Wonder if we have talked him back? Hes fairly highly regarded i believe.

Heard that he might be coming back.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Surprised his name doesn't come up more often around here. I know he's been dealt a rough hand but his performance has been woeful.

He was only be following the public relations strategy the board has set out. He’s just foiling instructions. Not his fault

 

[Shaz2012]

Questions will be asked, what is 2 x top 10 draft picks worth because that is what pick 3 or 4 means to GWS,
They will be asking the question, however. Melb in the Box seat,
This one may play out on the Draft day. If pick 3 is not Green and GWS believe the Crows will call out Green they will make the Call,
would not be surprised if Reid holds out for 3 x 1st rd picks ie GWS's picks 12 and 18 this year and there 2020 1st.
That gives us some Picks for Luko in 2020.

It really depends. I think it’s hard for Melbourne to call GWS’s bluff at 3. I genuinely believe Hamish wants Green.

Neither Melbourne or us are going to call out his name unless we want him. Suppose we are going to be the first club to call out his name. Well that means that GWS are going to burn their 2 x firsts, picks 12 and 18. That’s not going to entice us. So maybe GWS will be happy to take Green and burn 12 and 18.

Otherwise, they might want to take say Sam Flanders + Green. The only way to do that (as picks currently stand) is to give up a player(s). Is there any player (or two) that GWS would trade to pick up Flanders?

Personally I am not doing 12, 18 and Hately for pick 4. Hard pass. I know many would. But I’d do Caldwell, Hately and 12. Maybe we could also do 18 for 23 and 28 to cover points for Green.

If you were GWS would you rather Caldwell, Hately and Green. Or Flanders and Green. Considering Green probably takes over Hately’s spot anyway, it’s not the worst trade.

Would this be that bad for both sides?

Pick 4, 23 and 28 for Hately, Caldwell, 12 and 18

 

[FAITH]

would be great doing a Dodoro towards Dodoro if they want Jenkins.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

It really depends. I think it’s hard for Melbourne to call GWS’s bluff at 3. I genuinely believe Hamish wants Green.

Neither Melbourne or us are going to call out his name unless we want him. Suppose we are going to be the first club to call out his name. Well that means that GWS are going to burn their 2 x firsts, picks 12 and 18. That’s not going to entice us. So maybe GWS will be happy to take Green and burn 12 and 18.

Otherwise, they might want to take say Sam Flanders + Green. The only way to do that (as picks currently stand) is to give up a player(s). Is there any player (or two) that GWS would trade to pick up Flanders?

Personally I am not doing 12, 18 and Hately for pick 4. Hard pass. I know many would. But I’d do Caldwell, Hately and 12. Maybe we could also do 18 for 23 and 28 to cover points for Green.

If you were GWS would you rather Caldwell, Hately and Green. Or Flanders and Green. Considering Green probably takes over Hately’s spot anyway, it’s not the worst trade.

Would this be that bad for both sides?

Pick 4, 23 and 28 for Hately, Caldwell, 12 and 18

Where’s this Hately talk come from?
I was disappointed we didn’t take him last year at 9
But happy with Jones

 

[70lethal]

I am sliding into this way of thinking too. First, I cannot for a second excuse, condone or accept the utter incompetence of those responsible. Heads must roll. Burtons head is an absolute minimum.

But no matter how much blame there is from that side, how can we accept the way this playing group reacted. Two years later and the group still downed tools. I am so ******* ropable at the PLAYERS for how they acted in the second half of this season. They were embarrassing. Have some ******* pride. They were disgusting. I am not for a second singling our Eddie, who I thought was actually fine considering his age. Didn’t think he downed tools. But some of the efforts of our senior players, including our B&F and many of our top 10 were just pathetic.

So maybe you are right. Maybe the guys that organised the camp were on to something. Even if they had absolutely no clue on how to go about it. I want to see this s**t show burnt to the ground. From the ashes we can start again. Trade the crouch brothers. Trade Gibbs, Laird, Smith and Lynch. Tex can play SANFL next year. Let’s play the next generation and Unearth a new generation of leaders.

Brown Talia Kelly
Milera Butts Doedee
Gallucci Sloane Atkins
Frampton Fogarty Davis
McAdam Himmelberg McHenry
ROB Poholke Jones

Hartigan Scholl Hamill Seedsman

You can't saw like an eagle when surrounded by a bunch of turkeys.

 

[ad victoriam]

It really depends. I think it’s hard for Melbourne to call GWS’s bluff at 3. I genuinely believe Hamish wants Green.

Neither Melbourne or us are going to call out his name unless we want him. Suppose we are going to be the first club to call out his name. Well that means that GWS are going to burn their 2 x firsts, picks 12 and 18. That’s not going to entice us. So maybe GWS will be happy to take Green and burn 12 and 18.

Otherwise, they might want to take say Sam Flanders + Green. The only way to do that (as picks currently stand) is to give up a player(s). Is there any player (or two) that GWS would trade to pick up Flanders?

Personally I am not doing 12, 18 and Hately for pick 4. Hard pass. I know many would. But I’d do Caldwell, Hately and 12. Maybe we could also do 18 for 23 and 28 to cover points for Green.

If you were GWS would you rather Caldwell, Hately and Green. Or Flanders and Green. Considering Green probably takes over Hately’s spot anyway, it’s not the worst trade.

Would this be that bad for both sides?

Pick 4, 23 and 28 for Hately, Caldwell, 12 and 18

Yea if a deal was done during Trade week I reckon Hately must be involved,
But on the night of the Draft, it could be 3 x 1st picks with some later picks going back, after all that picks is worth 2 x top 10's for GWS so they will need to overs to get it. 3 x 1st is not strech on the night.
Green will not last until Pick 12, so GWS need to act and as you mentioned Our advantage is GWS know Hamish Likes Green and we have a history of calling academy players.

 

[Shaz2012]

Where’s this Hately talk come from?
I was disappointed we didn’t take him last year at 9
But happy with Jones

From nowhere. Its not happening. I am just saying, he could be worked into a trade for pick 4. Sounds like Green is going to be better than Hately and a similar type of big bodied mid. If we bid on Green at 4 then GWS will have to burn picks 12 and 18 to pay for him. If they can make us an enticing enough offer then they can take somebody else at 4 (like Sam Flanders for example) and then match Green at the next club that picks him, which could be several picks later and could cost considerably less.

I am not that desperate to get Hately and I wasnt overly disappointed that we didnt land him last year. But I would be open to trading pick 4 to GWS for huge overs that included Hately as part of the package. But as I just posted. I wouldn't be happy with Hately + 12 + 18. Pass.

 

[the universal]

Where’s this Hately talk come from?
I was disappointed we didn’t take him last year at 9
But happy with Jones

There hasn't been any talk anywhere, it's just wishful thinking because he's an SA kid at GWS.