2019 Trade thread

[Lace Out]

We should go hard at Clayton Oliver..
I know his contracted but so was lachie

Just go hard at him tomorrow

 

[trikster]

Can you mid-season trade for future (end of year) picks?

Nothing has been announced yet and wont be until after the season is over I would expect. But to promote player movement, which is what the AFL wants to keep the PA appeased, I would expect picks could be traded.

 

[dlanod]

Can you mid-season trade for future (end of year) picks?

I'd have to imagine yes, given most trades aren't going to be done without picks involved.

 

[Dylan12]

Club’s are going to make such premature calls on players just because they haven’t played the majority of the 11 games of that season and get massively burned as a result of this nonsensical trade period.

And that isn’t even taking into account the IP that walks out the door into the hands of the new club the player is going to.

But hey, at least the AFL are acceding to the demands of the numpty’s, which includes pretty much every journo, that are entertained by a trade period.

 

[POBT]

I don’t think the fact that clubs will make stupid decisions should be a factor in this. Clubs make stupid decisions all the time. I don’t like clubs being protected from themselves too much.

Nonetheless, I don’t like the idea of mid year change of list. We have a season that runs for 6 months and 22 games. It isn’t like we have a 9 or 10 month season with 50-100 games. Every club also has full time list management to ensure that they utilise the trading and drafting period wisely. There is also effectively 2 players on the list for every position. If clubs feel restricted in that model and in those circumstances, then it says more about them than the system.

From a more emotional point of view, there is something about doing a preseason with a group, going through all the ups and downs of a season and knowing that you’ve only got each other to rely on for the year. Allowing clubs to play with that risks taking away from that sense of unity and shared destiny. Trade week is a necessary evil to enable the players some freedom to ply their trade as they see fit. But at least it happens once the football is finished. Doing it mid year changes the fabric of what it is to be a football team IMO. It will make it mercenary and will bring in the worst of the “me first” mentality of sports like the NBA.

The “one club player” is a rarity these days but still a romantic ideal, as evidenced by a guy like Roughy. But every player is a “one season player”, at least. They know that, from day one of the pre-season, they and their teammates are in it together. I’d hate the thought that I’d turn up to training in June and a guy that I’d gone through a lot with had moved on and a comparative stranger had taken his spot. Players should commit wholly and solely to the team cause for the entire season.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

We should go hard at Clayton Oliver..
I know his contracted but so was lachie

He's having a pretty abysmal year in disposal efficiency. Brayshaw could be a better option for us.

 

[ManeMan]

I think we should go hard at Rory Atkins.

 

[Tom14]

I think we should go hard at Cripps, Gawn, Grundy, Jeremy Cameron, Coniglio, Josh Kelly, Taranto, Hopper, Hill and Fyfe!

 

[M Malice]

I think we should go hard at Cripps, Gawn, Grundy, Jeremy Cameron, Coniglio, Josh Kelly, Taranto, Hopper, Hill and Fyfe!

Nahh, Lachie Whitfield .

 

[jjami15]

He's having a pretty abysmal year in disposal efficiency. Brayshaw could be a better option for us.

Bradshaw would be interesting. Our first (Pies) and a player. Is his brother still based up here at 6RAR?

I think we should go hard at Rory Atkins.

Just wait a year he is a RFA next year as is Whitfield.

 

[TheHairyGamer]

Personally with mid season trades, I don't think it will be the big names that move. It will be player in the reserves that would fill a need for the clubs that year. Similar to how the mid season draft was except players who are already on AFL lists.

 

[Berrygood]

I haven't been on for a while and i haven't read back over the past so my thoughts could rehash others previous thoughts.

I like the use of McCarthy on the wing as we are seeing now. He gets more involved and his pace and leap, work well there. That opens up playing time for a small fwd. With this reasoning i suggest we fashion a trade using Cutler via a vic club if necessary to get Jarrod Cameron. We did bid for him and he pretty much sits behind a string of sm fwds at the eagles. He could set our fwd line alight with his brother for years.

With hodge finishing and our need for a speedy running half back/sm defender, some experience here would be handy also, i suggest we have a go at Jarrod harbrow. I think witherden can evolve into the qtr back role hodge plays, rich is having his best seaon ever so i dont want to change his role at all. Harbrow has a good 3yrs in him, his run, carry and defensive pressure are exactly what we need to compliment our defense. Sure he's contracted till end of 2020 but he becomes a free agent then and the lure of playing finals regularly at the end of a career would tempting. I would offer our first draft pick for him or our 2nd or third pick with nick robertson/ ben keays for example, maybe a good move for both players and clubs.

I think our midfield depth will develop nicely from within, tall and med defence depth is good, our fwd line is exciting and depth is developing too. So when it comes to trading for needs i think at the end of the year --- Cameron for cutler (via vic if necessary) and harbrow for our first pick or later pick plus player. Id be very happy with that. Anyway i hope ya's see some reasoning to my thoughts

 

[jjami15]

I haven't been on for a while and i haven't read back over the past so my thoughts could rehash others previous thoughts.

I like the use of McCarthy on the wing as we are seeing now. He gets more involved and his pace and leap, work well there. That opens up playing time for a small fwd. With this reasoning i suggest we fashion a trade using Cutler via a vic club if necessary to get Jarrod Cameron. We did bid for him and he pretty much sits behind a string of sm fwds at the eagles. He could set our fwd line alight with his brother for years.

With hodge finishing and our need for a speedy running half back/sm defender, some experience here would be handy also, i suggest we have a go at Jarrod harbrow. I think witherden can evolve into the qtr back role hodge plays, rich is having his best seaon ever so i dont want to change his role at all. Harbrow has a good 3yrs in him, his run, carry and defensive pressure are exactly what we need to compliment our defense. Sure he's contracted till end of 2020 but he becomes a free agent then and the lure of playing finals regularly at the end of a career would tempting. I would offer our first draft pick for him or our 2nd or third pick with nick robertson/ ben keays for example, maybe a good move for both players and clubs.

I think our midfield depth will develop nicely from within, tall and med defence depth is good, our fwd line is exciting and depth is developing too. So when it comes to trading for needs i think at the end of the year --- Cameron for cutler (via vic if necessary) and harbrow for our first pick or later pick plus player. Id be very happy with that. Anyway i hope ya's see some reasoning to my thoughts

I agree in parts to your thinking. I agree with the notion that we require another small forward and as good as it would be to have the two Camerons I’m not sure that it will happen, not for awhile yet. Wether via trade or draft I think we should bring another in especially for depth in that position.

I too was of the opinion of a running half back but not sure if that fits in with Fagan’s style. We are more methodical with the ball and kick our way though the opposition form the back half to the front half. This is why I feel that kicking skills will be identified as a need for players brought in to this position. If they can run the lines and kick even better.

IMO I think we need another outside mid that help link through from the back half to the front. If we were to go hard at anyone to sell the farm it would have to be Brad Hill or someone like this.

Edit: I would like to add that Archie isn’t going to cut as a top flight ruck so Peter Ladhams from Port would be a good get as Martin would have one or 2 yrs left at best.

 

[davemc_lions]

To get Cameron from Eagles I think would involve a first pick somehow.. Eagles if they make a play for Kelly will need a lot you think 2 low first picks.
If Kelly wins the brownlow maybe more I hope he stays at the Cats.
Cameron went late round 2 at 39.

Interesting with Archie we extended him 2 years not sure where he sits. I thought he was better in the seniors last time Leppa played him.
In the NEAFL he is not the Martin/Grundy/Gawn type player. so not sure. I think after the Blues game a lot of people written him off.
One bad game does not make you a really bad player. I do think playing NEAFL only does not help your career stepping up.

Depth players be interesting what we do.
Walker, Taylor, Bundy, Cutler, Basti, Lester and N Robbo you wonder what happens to them. Does the younger guys go past them.
This year Fagan gone to Bundy, Cutler, Lester and Taylor. Basti got one chance. N Robbo got a run.
How many do you keep. With Hodge retiring you think we keep Lester.
We will need 3 list spots. Lyons and Keays as well you add to the above so 8 players not sure what we do.

Then what are any worth on the open market.
If you look at McCarthy deal you think be around that a pick swap. or 3rd or 4th or free.
The Lions gave the Cats Pick 42 (third round) and Pick 60 (fourth round) in return for McCarthy, Pick 54 (Richmond’s third round) and Pick 57 (Carlton’s fourth round).

 

[jasonrampage2010]

He's having a pretty abysmal year in disposal efficiency. Brayshaw could be a better option for us.

Yeah true but we can’t have too many short people in the centre square. And besides he’s a gun when on song

 

[Roylion]

I'm leaning towards opposing a mid season trade period. I just can't see the real rationale behind it after just eleven-twelve weeks of football since the previous trade period. And then there's another trade period, after another 16 rounds.

Having said that, I do support the mid-season rooke draft to replace long term injured players. Gives those on the cusp of AFL standard a chance to prove / promote themselves and for AFL teams to address deficiencies identified in the first half of the season. ideally I'd also like to do away with the rookie system all togather and just have one senior list.

 

[davemc_lions]

mid season be a worry..
Those who are not finals bound will find that players managers found them gigs with finals teams
Those who think they are finals bound might sell the farm for what they need.
Not sure how it helps anyone short term apart from the top 10 teams. Yes teams 5-12 might over sell to get a player to make top 4.
Although short term not sure for teams 12-16

 

[fanackapan]

We currently have 10 players on our list who came from other clubs, I think the 1 club player idea is a nice romantic notion but it doesn't really bother me at all. The players listed below are all loved at our club now, supporters embrace players from other clubs. Prime examples are Hodgey, Lachie and Charlie, they joined us and nobody says a bad word about them, universally loved by the Lions faithful.

Luke Hodge, Allen Christensen, Mitch Robinson, Lachie Neale, Lincoln McCarthy, Stef Martin, Josh Walker, Jarryd Lyons, Charlie Cameron and Marcus Adams.

11. Ryan Bastinac

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Anyone know what’s up with Tom Cutler? Article saying could look to come home due to family issue?

 

[M Malice]

Anyone know what’s up with Tom Cutler? Article saying could look to come home due to family issue?

I don't know what's up with him on a personal front but he's obviously not doing what the coaches want on the field as he can't get an extended run in the seniors, although he is injured now. Which is a shame because if he worked on what the coaches want and brought his renowned running game as well he could really add to our side.

IMO he'll be offered up for trade this off season and I'm sure there will be takers, I don't think we'd get much for him though.

 

[marooned]

Heard a rumour about Dan McStay on the move at the end of the season.Hawthorn interested I was told.

 

[M Malice]

Heard a rumour about Dan McStay on the move at the end of the season.Hawthorn interested I was told.

He's still OOC end of this year although so are a few on our list. I just had a look at Hawthorn's list and there really is no player that screams I'd take him for McStay, at a pinch if it was for family/personal reasons Sicily or maybe O'Meara or T.Mitchell but they only just moved from Sydney down to Melbourne so can't see them wanting to come back up north.

I'd be driving a very hard bargain if Dan wanted to leave, on the verge of breaking out IMO, Hawthorn's first would get it done, so around pick 4-6.

Looking at the Hawks list they really don't have much there, in for a few years of pain IMO, about bloody time too.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

I don't know what's up with him on a personal front but he's obviously not doing what the coaches want on the field as he can't get an extended run in the seniors, although he is injured now. Which is a shame because if he worked on what the coaches want and brought his renowned running game as well he could really add to our side.

IMO he'll be offered up for trade this off season and I'm sure there will be takers, I don't think we'd get much for him though.

Yeah seems like the perfect storm for him to leave. Something not quite right at home in Melbourne and not getting a regular game. Pity because he is talented and will probably play at another club. Yeah might be able to upgrade a pick or some thing.

 

[marooned]

He's still OOC end of this year although so are a few on our list. I just had a look at Hawthorn's list and there really is no player that screams I'd take him for McStay, at a pinch if it was for family/personal reasons Sicily or maybe O'Meara or T.Mitchell but they only just moved from Sydney down to Melbourne so can't see them wanting to come back up north.

I'd be driving a very hard bargain if Dan wanted to leave, on the verge of breaking out IMO, Hawthorn's first would get it done, so around pick 4-6.

Looking at the Hawks list they really don't have much there, in for a few years of pain IMO, about bloody time too.

I don’t think we would be getting their first rounder for him.Maybe a second rounder and future 2nd or 3rd?

 

[M Malice]

I don’t think we would be getting their first rounder for him.Maybe a second rounder and future 2nd or 3rd?

I agree, it is purely hypothetical pie in the sky stuff from me.