chopperduck
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We dont have the list spots. To pick up anyone else at this stage would mean delisting a similar player. Id rather keep the likes of Lester and Bundy.
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We dont have the list spots. To pick up anyone else at this stage would mean delisting a similar player. Id rather keep the likes of Lester and Bundy.
chopperduck
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Thinking 2 live picks, pushing the draft picks as high as we can, then 2 academy selections max. Combine with the 3 other players in and that is 7 changes. Still a big amount.
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That's under the assumption the players were happy to sign for complete unders. I think you'll find the players of value will find themselves at new clubs and would likely know who'll be signing them already.
I imagine the club is trying to work on some pick trades to upgrade one or possibly two picks at this stage. And possibly trade some of the later picks for future picks.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we take 4 picks to the draft. 3 picks in the first two rounds for the top talent, and then a later pick for an academy selection.
I guess the final list announcements will come if/when the club settles on it’s draft picks.
POBT
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The minimum salary for a player (other than first and second year players) is a bit over $100k if I recall correctly. I’m not suggesting $100k is a poor wage by everyday standards but I doubt many players are on the lowest amount and certainly not guys with time in the system like Walker. I suspect the practical minimum offer for a player like him would be at least $200k.
Keays2myBeamas
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But no one signs a delisted free agent on anything above the minimum salary - or maybe very slightly above. If there’s enough competition to drive their wage up, they’ll get traded. Robertson would be on minimum if he is lucky enough to be picked up at all, and it doesn’t look like Bastinac, Walker and Keays will be picked up.
Any player would be happy to accept minimum salary over a deal in the wafl.
The point is not that these players are brilliant. The point is that come finals next year, when an unexpected injury hits, it’s preferable to have the option of 4 x 23-28 year olds with plenty of experience, over uncapped low draft picks in their first or second year. That’s the type of depth you need in a premiership window, that’s the type of depth we’ve chosen to push out, even though keeping them would only cost the list space and salary of the low draftee that replaces them.
I’m not saying it’s necessarily the wrong thing to do, just that salary is not an issue, and that these decisions are investments in the future at the direct expense of 2020 and 2021.
And maybe that’s the way to go, like anything, its about balance. Who knows though, maybe we’ll package a few picks together and only take 2 picks at the draft, upgrade McInerney, and then look to sign an experienced mature aged player or two as a DFA.
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Yeah, I can see this scenario occur with a live trade on draft night.
I believe it will be very hard to trade in to the top 12 of the draft. Maybe Melbourne’s pick 8 might be getable, but it could take 3 picks to get it.
Personally, I’d be happy if we could move up to the Bulldogs pick at 13, if it cost us picks 16 & 34.
For me pick 21 holds more value, not just as a draft night trade chip, but also for the quality of kid potentially still available at 21, which I expect to move back 3 spots, as opposed picks 24/25.
In which case I’d be happy with 13, 21 and two picks in the 50’s come the draft.
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This isn't true any more. Now that we have delisted free agents clubs look at players, see if they're going to be delisted anyway and if they are they won't bother putting in a trade offer. Lyons didn't sign on minimum wage and there wasn't a bidding war. de Boer didn't sign with GWS on the minimum wage.
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Henderson at the Hawks is in the same boat.
chopperduck
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General understanding that if the player was gonna get delisted, the clubs don't push for a trade. Even if they did a trade, it would be a late pick just to get it done. Isn't worth the effort. Also if a player isn't in the clubs plans, they will delist to make the move easier to them if they don't have trade value. Hence why Cutler and Lewy got traded (had interest and small value), the rest are just delist and sign with whoever they find. Not really a loss for us and it makes it easier for them to find a new home.
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Add that up and we can pay Clug for the first year of him next contract.
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Yeah, that was exactly what I was thinking.
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AFL is professional ffs .. mates, teams & fans have got nothing to do with it. Lions medical staff are getting a bit of a reputation for managing players well so that may have been a factor in Callum's preference. Anyhow, doesn't matter how much money the AFL throws at the Gold Coast .. Rugby League, Soccer, Basketball, AFL, you name it .. what sporting franchise has ever been successful in that place .. would have better luck relocating them to Charters Towers.
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Still think there will be another couple of delisting a with a promise to pick them up as Rookies. Might very well trade out all of 34, 48,52 and 55 for future picks and hold a couple of late ones for Coleman and OMac.
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I think Adams recruitment made Walkers loss inevitable, Lester is probably the most versatile player we have; though limited as well.
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If we are talking defensively?
I would think that Darcy Gardiner would be pushing for our most versatile.
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I guess I mean in terms of a real all-rounder, he has always been respected for his nous and football knowledge as they say. But yes in defense Gardiner is more talentedly-versatile if you see what I mean.
and Darcy is more than capable on the rare occasions he gets a kick at goal.
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Yes! The ideal world is where we look upon our best 22 players as the future depth and find new team members to challenge or replace them. Sounds a bit mercenary but I think that's how depth should be looked upon, like endless improvement. Found this write up of our next years best 22 interesting, in that all three of our new recruits make their way in. It's a fair guess and I found the reasoning interesting and in some ways very compelling.
BRISBANE LIONS
B: Alex Witherden, Harris Andrews, Daniel Rich
HB: Grant Birchall, Darcy Gardiner, Callum Ah Chee
C: Hugh McCluggage, Lachie Neale, Mitch Robinson
HF: Lincoln McCarthy, Eric Hipwood, Dayne Zorko
F: Charlie Cameron, Daniel McStay, Allen Christensen
FOLL: Stefan Martin, Jarryd Lyons, Cam Ellis-Yolmen
I/C: Noah Answerth, Cam Rayner, Jarrod Berry, Marcus Adams
In: Callum Ah Chee, Grant Birchall, Cam Ellis-Yolmen
Out: Tom Cutler, Luke Hodge, Lewis Taylor, Nick Robertson, Ben Keays, Josh Walker, Ryan Bastinac
We say: Brisbane is set to have a new half-back line in 2020. Grant Birchall is a straight swap for former Lion Luke Hodge, given the two play similar roles. Callum Ah Chee is versatile but will likely take the spot of Ryan Lester or Zac Bailey, while youngster Noah Answerth also plays a similar role. There is a question mark over Cam Rayner’s form, but given he played every game in 2019, he is likely to be part of Chris Fagan’s best 22 again come Round 1. Cam Ellis-Yolmen is likely to battle it out with the Lions’ talented midfielders for a spot in the 22, but as a bigger-bodied midfielder he could be ready in Round 1.
How Crows fill spots after exodus, Blues’ star recruit: Adelaide, Brisbane and Carlton best 22s after the trade period
How Crows fill spots after exodus, Blues’ star recruit: AFL best 22s after trade period
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Yes! The ideal world is where we look upon our best 22 players as the future depth and find new team members to challenge or replace them. Sounds a bit mercenary but I think that's how depth should be looked upon, like endless improvement. Found this write up of our next years best 22 interesting, in that all three of our new recruits make their way in. It's a fair guess and I found the reasoning interesting and in some ways very compelling.
BRISBANE LIONS
B: Alex Witherden, Harris Andrews, Daniel Rich
HB: Grant Birchall, Darcy Gardiner, Callum Ah Chee
C: Hugh McCluggage, Lachie Neale, Mitch Robinson
HF: Lincoln McCarthy, Eric Hipwood, Dayne Zorko
F: Charlie Cameron, Daniel McStay, Allen Christensen
FOLL: Stefan Martin, Jarryd Lyons, Cam Ellis-Yolmen
I/C: Noah Answerth, Cam Rayner, Jarrod Berry, Marcus Adams
In: Callum Ah Chee, Grant Birchall, Cam Ellis-Yolmen
Out: Tom Cutler, Luke Hodge, Lewis Taylor, Nick Robertson, Ben Keays, Josh Walker, Ryan Bastinac
We say: Brisbane is set to have a new half-back line in 2020. Grant Birchall is a straight swap for former Lion Luke Hodge, given the two play similar roles. Callum Ah Chee is versatile but will likely take the spot of Ryan Lester or Zac Bailey, while youngster Noah Answerth also plays a similar role. There is a question mark over Cam Rayner’s form, but given he played every game in 2019, he is likely to be part of Chris Fagan’s best 22 again come Round 1. Cam Ellis-Yolmen is likely to battle it out with the Lions’ talented midfielders for a spot in the 22, but as a bigger-bodied midfielder he could be ready in Round 1.
How Crows fill spots after exodus, Blues’ star recruit: Adelaide, Brisbane and Carlton best 22s after the trade period
How Crows fill spots after exodus, Blues’ star recruit: AFL best 22s after trade period
If that's the way it pans out that'd mean our 7 trade targets over the last 2 years slot straight away into our starting 22. Impressive by the club's back end & coaches if they get it to all gel again like they did this year. That's a fair amount of change.
