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Giant Pete said:
Objectively we should trade out one of our inside mids and, if we really rate Jye, get him into the midfield for his speed.
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It ward moves back to half back there is another rotation. If Taranto and cogs take a forward rotation then there is more time there too

I agree to some extent with what you are saying
 

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Hmmm, while I applaud the news of GWS playing hardball, it still has to be intelligent hardball. Parfitt is a quality player - and if Caldwell leaves he'd be a great plug'n'replace - but he was always going to be long odds given he's just re-signed with Geelong. There's no point trying for someone who doesn't want to come to GWS, or indeed doesn't want to leave Geelong. I also question Esava Ratagulea - while he has 40? games of experience - it's essentially in an area we already have (and haven't tested) with Flynn & Briggs. If Mummy is staying - really, I don't see the point, unless it's purely as a forward (and not forward/ruck) but I don't see great value in Ratugalea as a pure forward.

I'm still keen on Jordan Clark, but again, if we're not or he wants to go home to WA, no point thinking about him.

In that case, don't take fringe players - that's pointless. Just make it 2 first rounders 11 & 13 (which become 12 & 14) and then if we really want someone, look to use picks as leverage for a trade. (Not overpaying just because we've got first rounders, of course!)

I'm with captainMyCaptain on the inside mids - we cannot push anyone out at this point. We also need to remember that we always suffer horrendously from injuries, so it's just cover for those when they occur. What we do need to do is be hard-nosed with selection, and if that means drop someone back to second grade to get the properly balanced first grade team, then so be it.
 
OK, Brad Crouch has just asked to go to Saints. I hope that means Saints cool their jets on Caldwell, or he on Saints since it will mean less opportunity for him. Then hope he does not contemplate the basket case that is Essendon.
 
Caldwell really is a must keep. He'll be Jack Steele part II in 3 years and the perfect midfield burst player for the modern game.
 
Hi all, really confused by the players that GWS have asked about. Would Simpson, Parfitt, Henry or Ratagalea get a game for GWS? I doubt it, to many talented players who are already leaving GWS because of opportunity.
 
Pres said:
Caldwell really is a must keep. He'll be Jack Steele part II in 3 years and the perfect midfield burst player for the modern game.
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Agreed.
Being in and out of a Grand Final team in 2019 would have been much easier to take than being in and out of an also ran team in 2020.
One of the biggest disappointments when reflecting on 2020 is how few games some of the young blokes played.
 
Warhorse said:
Hi all, really confused by the players that GWS have asked about. Would Simpson, Parfitt, Henry or Ratagalea get a game for GWS? I doubt it, to many talented players who are already leaving GWS because of opportunity.
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Hmm, well personally, apart from Parfitt I wouldn't be chasing those players and certainly don't see them equivalent to a mid first round pick. So I'm with you. I'd still be demanding picks 11 & 13 (which will slide significantly in the end) at least. I'd love Jordan Clark, but don't think he'd be interested in the move north.
 
Giant Strides said:
Hmmm, while I applaud the news of GWS playing hardball, it still has to be intelligent hardball. Parfitt is a quality player - and if Caldwell leaves he'd be a great plug'n'replace - but he was always going to be long odds given he's just re-signed with Geelong. There's no point trying for someone who doesn't want to come to GWS, or indeed doesn't want to leave Geelong. I also question Esava Ratagulea - while he has 40? games of experience - it's essentially in an area we already have (and haven't tested) with Flynn & Briggs. If Mummy is staying - really, I don't see the point, unless it's purely as a forward (and not forward/ruck) but I don't see great value in Ratugalea as a pure forward.

I'm still keen on Jordan Clark, but again, if we're not or he wants to go home to WA, no point thinking about him.

In that case, don't take fringe players - that's pointless. Just make it 2 first rounders 11 & 13 (which become 12 & 14) and then if we really want someone, look to use picks as leverage for a trade. (Not overpaying just because we've got first rounders, of course!)

I'm with captainMyCaptain on the inside mids - we cannot push anyone out at this point. We also need to remember that we always suffer horrendously from injuries, so it's just cover for those when they occur. What we do need to do is be hard-nosed with selection, and if that means drop someone back to second grade to get the properly balanced first grade team, then so be it.
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Clark is young, he has time to rethink and have his mind changed from propaganda he has received as a impressionable youngster.

The correct play is for GWS to match and keep Cameron unless Geelong offer the farm
Giant Strides said:
Hmmm, while I applaud the news of GWS playing hardball, it still has to be intelligent hardball. Parfitt is a quality player - and if Caldwell leaves he'd be a great plug'n'replace - but he was always going to be long odds given he's just re-signed with Geelong. There's no point trying for someone who doesn't want to come to GWS, or indeed doesn't want to leave Geelong. I also question Esava Ratagulea - while he has 40? games of experience - it's essentially in an area we already have (and haven't tested) with Flynn & Briggs. If Mummy is staying - really, I don't see the point, unless it's purely as a forward (and not forward/ruck) but I don't see great value in Ratugalea as a pure forward.

I'm still keen on Jordan Clark, but again, if we're not or he wants to go home to WA, no point thinking about him.

In that case, don't take fringe players - that's pointless. Just make it 2 first rounders 11 & 13 (which become 12 & 14) and then if we really want someone, look to use picks as leverage for a trade. (Not overpaying just because we've got first rounders, of course!)

I'm with captainMyCaptain on the inside mids - we cannot push anyone out at this point. We also need to remember that we always suffer horrendously from injuries, so it's just cover for those when they occur. What we do need to do is be hard-nosed with selection, and if that means drop someone back to second grade to get the properly balanced first grade team, then so be it.
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No reason not to keep Caldwell and give him play time.

All things must be considered,

What needs to be done is match and keep Cameron unless Geelong offers up the farm.

It cannot get worse for GWS. Its all blue sky if they match and keep Cameron even if he plays in the twos seriously.

People have to think ahead and build for the future.
 
Warhorse said:
Hi all, really confused by the players that GWS have asked about. Would Simpson, Parfitt, Henry or Ratagalea get a game for GWS? I doubt it, to many talented players who are already leaving GWS because of opportunity.
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Which is why GWS would not want them!!!

Only Clark and maybe Stephens because remember GWS are looking to the future and Geelong will be facing the demograph cliff shortly so its in the players interests to come to GWS anyway
 
Mr Magic said:
Clark is young, he has time to rethink and have his mind changed from propaganda he has received as a impressionable youngster.

The correct play is for GWS to match and keep Cameron unless Geelong offer the farm


No reason not to keep Caldwell and give him play time.

All things must be considered,

What needs to be done is match and keep Cameron unless Geelong offers up the farm.

It cannot get worse for GWS. Its all blue sky if they match and keep Cameron even if he plays in the twos seriously.

People have to think ahead and build for the future.
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Keeping someone who wants to go home is not thinking of the future.
 

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General Giant said:
Keeping someone who wants to go home is not thinking of the future.
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Yes it is, you need to be more open minded.

The future is your youngsters, GWS can rebound from this quite quickly, it just needs to be smart and not be manipulated by Geelong and played for a fool.

Clubs can turn quickly, look at North, Adelaide, Hawthorn and the Swans, keep your youngsters GWS will not have a problem.

Consider this scenario. In 4-5 years Williams comes back to GWS. He has a NSW link, GWS need to be smart!!!

GWS can always trade Cameron when it suits GWS and Cameron. If Geelong collapses in a few years Cameron can even see GWS as doing him a favour. Cameron might find a better suitor than Geelong in two years and what is he losing?? Its not like Geelong are a standout team and Dangerfield, there standout out player is not a spring chicken
 
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Mr Magic said:
Yes it is, you need to be more open minded.

The future is your youngsters, GWS can rebound from this quite quickly, it just needs to be smart and not be manipulated by Geelong and played for a fool
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Our future are those who want to stay, those who have bought in. Cameron isn’t going for money otherwise we would of openly said it, unlike Corr and Williams, he is going to be much closer to home. The same state.
I say we match and get the best deal we can for him 100% but being a dick about it helps no one. We aren’t the Bombers.
We aren’t being played like fools. Don’t believe the vfl media hype.
 
General Giant said:
Our future are those who want to stay, those who have bought in. Cameron isn’t going for money otherwise we would of openly said it, unlike Corr and Williams, he is going to be much closer to home. The same state.
I say we match and get the best deal we can for him 100% but being a dick about it helps no one. We aren’t the Bombers.
We aren’t being played like fools. Don’t believe the vfl media hype.
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Minds change, people change what people want to do over the years is not black and white.

What you must understand is players do not care where they are, what they want to do is win premierships

How would GWS be a dick?? Are you a model?

GWS needs to digest it is in the business of winning premierships, it just needs to find the sweet spot in terms of timing.

Hopper is 23, Perryman 21 you build around them. Caldwell only 20, Taylor 21 thats your nucleus. Riccardi is only young and Finlayson is only 24. Himmelberg is only 24 to.

The key is keeping Taranto

Daniels is 21, and Caldwell young. Things are looking up and you now what, Whitfield is so light he could play till he is 40 if he protects his body playing outside. I want Whitfield despite his age cause he plays with a lot of heart

I like this, things are not so bad after all and I see some soul and courage in this lot to as a base and I probably missed a few to!!

Ash is another and Green to, pretty good base if you ask me. Cameron playing in the twos, I am not losing sleep at all!!
 
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Mr Magic said:
Minds change, people change what people want to do over the years is not black and white.

What you must understand is players do not care where they are, what they want to do is win premierships

How would GWS be a dick?? Are you a model?

GWS needs to digest it is in the business of winning premierships, it just needs to find the sweet spot in terms of timing.

Hopper is 23, Perryman 21 you build around them. Caldwell only 20, Taylor 21 thats your nucleus
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If your tigers acted the same way they wouldn’t be in the position they are in.

Holding onto someone who doesn’t want to be here, sticking him in the twos ****ing lol, is being a dick especially when he and his manager have done nothing but be respectful and on top of that the money we would have to pay to keep him here.

What you have to understand is most on this board, and I would say the other team boards, think you are full of it.

And these last few posts prove it.

Should of done it earlier but on ignore.
 
General Giant said:
If your tigers acted the same way they wouldn’t be in the position they are in.

Holding onto someone who doesn’t want to be here, sticking him in the twos ******* lol, is being a dick especially when he and his manager have done nothing but be respectful and on top of that the money we would have to pay to keep him here.

What you have to understand is most on this board, and I would say the other team boards, think you are full of it.

And these last few posts prove it.

Should of done it earlier but on ignore.
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Respect is about not allowing Cameron to kick twenty goals in your season and doing something about .

If the truth hurts, sorry but you need to get real!!!

My Tigers act in different ways. Jack Riewoldt was not always the team player he is now!! What changed?? They got better players in and they started to believe the group they had could win as a team, when they played as a team show casing their abilities.

Some of this happens organically, like Griffiths getting injuried and playing Townsend. Life is like a box of chocolates, you never now wat you are going to get, you need rebound from adversity, adversity is good, crisis creates opportunity, if good enough things turn positive and some seize the moment!! If Cameron is in the twos there is a reason for it and it helps your team and youngsters grow!!

You think Hardwick had a formula?? You think he has not grown and adjusted as well??? Nothing is black and white, these things are not linear. Its about riding and manouvring your way around the peaks and troughs and not being safe all the time. Winning is not about cowtailing to the corporate BS but airing the dirty laundry at times and finding the spark within to propel your club forward!!

If you think Cameron cannot change his mind after spending time in the twos you seriously have no idea and what makes humans tick, evolve, adapt and progress!! Poor Cameron is getting paid a lot of money, there is a lot more worse than him in the real world believe me!!!
 
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General Giant said:
Cameron isn’t going for money otherwise we would of openly said it, unlike Corr and Williams, he is going to be much closer to home. The same state.
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Not true re Corr GG. He's a Victorian returning home just as Cameron is. He doesn't deserve to be judged differently to Cameron.
 

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Danny88 said:
It ward moves back to half back there is another rotation.
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I did not like the look of Ward at all at HBF/Wing this year. Looked like a fish out of water and doesn't kick it well enough.

The better answer is to turn Coniglio into the highest paid tagger in history then use DeBoer mainly for depth - otherwise NEAFL. That frees up another midfield spot.

Then the other centre square rotations are out of Taranto/Green/Hopper/Caldwell.

As hard as it is to say I really think that Ward is surplus to requirements if the intention is to get midfield games into Green/Caldwell.
 
Pres said:
I did not like the look of Ward at all at HBF/Wing this year. Looked like a fish out of water and doesn't kick it well enough.

The better answer is to turn Coniglio into the highest paid tagger in history then use DeBoer mainly for depth - otherwise NEAFL. That frees up another midfield spot.

Then the other centre square rotations are out of Taranto/Green/Hopper/Caldwell.

As hard as it is to say I really think that Ward is surplus to requirements if the intention is to get midfield games into Green/Caldwell.
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Likewise De Boer playing in the forwards or when we play negative in the middle with a tagger

Cogs plays well when forward flank and keeping the rotations you have mentioned above
 
Pres said:
Not true re Corr GG. He's a Victorian returning home just as Cameron is. He doesn't deserve to be judged differently to Cameron.
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He is on what 700k there mate? Please he went there for one hell of a pay rise.
Cameron there’s no difference really in offers.
 
General Giant said:
He is on what 700k there mate? Please he went there for one hell of a pay rise.
Cameron there’s no difference really in offers.
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Sorry I read your post as Corr was not going home to his native state - ie lumping him in with Williams.

In regard to contracts I don't think we know what Corr was offered at GWS nor wherever he's going.

Likewise we don't know the contract differential between the GWS and Geelong offers for Cameron - given GWS have not even made the decision whether to match.
 
Pres said:
Likewise we don't know the contract differential between the GWS and Geelong offers for Cameron - given GWS have not even made the decision whether to match.
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Corr and Williams were not considered for matching.

Cameron is being considered for matching.

That's pretty clearly indicating that we consider the contracts for the first two too high to meet, whereas that's not the case for Cameron.
 
dlanod said:
Corr and Williams were not considered for matching.

Cameron is being considered for matching.

That's pretty clearly indicating that we consider the contracts for the first two too high to meet, whereas that's not the case for Cameron.
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GWS needs to match, needs to relay the message to others like Geelong it will not be played and pushed around and GWS is a good, strong club with a identity even though that identity is slowly starting to come out and shine. GWS can stand on its own two feet and sort out its problems in its own way.

GWS is robust and can batter off Geelong if it wants to and the group will stick and stay solid!!
 

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