to get you have to give
nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement
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to get you have to give
nothing is for free and no reason for Geelong to feel a sense of entitlement
tbh the twat is high in ClarkAccording to the Herald Sun:
Gold Coast 1. Matt Rowell (Oakleigh Chargers, 180cm midfielder)
Gold Coast 2. Noah Anderson (Oakleigh Chargers, 191cm midfield-forward)
Melbourne 3. Luke Jackson (East Fremantle, 199cm ruckman)
GWS 4. Lachie Ash (Murray Bushrangers, 186cm halfback)
GWS 5. Tom Green* (GWS academy, 191cm midfielder)
Sydney 6. Sam Flanders (Gippsland Power, 182cm midfielder)
Adelaide 7. Fischer McAsey (Sandringham Dragons, 197cm defender)
Fremantle 8. Hayden Young (Dandenong Stingrays, 188cm halfback)
Melbourne 9. Demons will trade this pick to another club
Carlton 10. Caleb Serong (Gippsland Power, 179cm midfield-forward)
Fremantle 11. Deven Robertson (Perth, 184cm midfielder)
Hawthorn 12. Brodie Kemp (Bendigo Pioneers, 193cm defender)
Port Adelaide 13. Dylan Stephens (Norwood, 183cm midfielder)
Western Bulldogs 14. Miles Bergman (Sandringham Dragons, 189cm utility)
*GWS matches Sydney’s bid for Green, pushing the order back one
I'm hopeful for another exchange that sees us drop a future pick for enough points to also grab Delahunty, I can't see him lasting to the zero point rangeHave to admit I'm surprised that we did a trade now and didn't wait until draft night. And although we have traditionally paid overs in such trades, still surprised that we didn't push to get something back from Adelaide in the trade. We're pretty tight on points for the match. In the end I presume that we'll lose someone next year to offset the loss of selections, but we still need to be able to legally match the bid this year - and that's tight I believe.
We have the extra third round pick but traded out a fourth round pick, so I'm unsure whether the rules will allow us to trade when we've also traded out the first round pick. And could those picks get quarantined if they are needed to pay for Green. We're looking to break new ground here - I just hope the team know what they're doing or have cleared it all with AFL House.I'm hopeful for another exchange that sees us drop a future pick for enough points to also grab Delahunty, I can't see him lasting to the zero point range
And could those picks get quarantined if they are needed to pay for Green.
I'm obviously not GWS list manager
From memory a lot of the laughter was because it was valuing him about a first round pick when he went for two late picks.Th funny thing is that we all (without exception) laughed at the proposed Treloar for Witts + pick trade when it was mooted when in actual fact it would have been an inspired deal! He’s exactly what we needed.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing...
From memory a lot of the laughter was because it was valuing him about a first round pick when he went for two late picks.
Mumford was still playing well and he couldn’t get a regular gameThere was definitely the element of Collingwood BF posters trying to trade in a Ferrari for a Holden but probably in hindsight we should have looked at bringing him in another way as they were keen to move him. He’s certainly improved a lot as a ruckman and is really valuable now.
Fair enough, I can see us being right into both and think either way we'll have 1 starting in our best 22 next year. I get it wanting the Ash Dash, it's really quite remarkable and in terms of line breaking there's no one better in the draft, but some of the kicks Young pulls off just keeps pulling me in, hios ability to control tempo with ball in hand is, and I know it's the go to comparison, Pendlebury like, it feels like he controls the game.PM Bangers I’m flipping my draft allegiance over to Ash just pipping Young.
This isn’t because this is mooted to be the way we are going but after reviewing everything I could get my hands on and listening to as many people as I could Ash just seems the fit.
When I watch his tapes he has what I would call game agility which I think gives him that little bit more time which is so valuable and allows him to separate and use his great kicking skills.
Yes at times he gets himself into trouble but for the most part he seems to take great options and I think in a slightly one paced team he offers a point of difference. Add Ash to Williams, Hill, Daniels and Whitfield and it certainly makes the team look more dangerous.
Young looks an absolute gun and perhaps over time will become a quarterback style defender who is the superior player. My point with him is that he plays more like an interceptor and we have Haynes and Taylor who are quite efficient there.
His testing speed is very good but his game agility is not the same as Ash, he takes a little longer to kick and doesn’t offer the same running threat.
For mine as we sit today Ash is the guy who could make us more dangerous and importantly allow Williams to play more in the midfield at stoppages. He made a difference for us doing that this year and needs to be used there more next year.
Off course if Melbourne bid or we take Flanders this is all moot LOL but just really think Ash could be the best available fit to complement our list.
Fair enough, I can see us being right into both and think either way we'll have 1 starting in our best 22 next year. I get it wanting the Ash Dash, it's really quite remarkable and in terms of line breaking there's no one better in the draft, but some of the kicks Young pulls off just keeps pulling me in, hios ability to control tempo with ball in hand is, and I know it's the go to comparison, Pendlebury like, it feels like he controls the game.
Not going to be disappointed with either though.
Can't even put into words the frustration I'd feel if we took Flanders though, best Forward in the draft yes, but not a need for us and not best available overall
Even so, there will be some nice Small/ Medium forwards available later in the draft with guys that have some promise and just need to be developed correctly, also like some of the mature age forward talentYes I agree on Flanders, we have invested into some nice small forwards and already have Greene, Ward and Coniglio that can go forward and play that role. He is a very nice player for the right team but not the best fit for our needs.
Off course if Melbourne bid or we take Flanders this is all moot LOL but just really think Ash could be the best available fit to complement our list.
Cant see how melb did on green...
No way gws do the trade if they don't know 100% melb are not bidding..
Or else they would have just waited till draft night to trade with adel.
I would assume gws spoke to melb and had the all clear as a common curiosity.
At same time tho I dont understand why melb would do this as it takes away a player from the pool they could have got at 10.
Very true stuffI think from outside without intel it’s impossible to know. One theory is that Adelaide gave GWS a time critical ultimatum to either take their deal or they would potentially shop elsewhere. By making the move early Adelaide has the flexibility to focus on their main man (presumably McAsey) or leverage the pick to extract additional value knowing none of the teams ahead of them (GCS, Melb, GWS, Syd) in the draft want him.
For example they have now turned pick 4 into an additional 1st rounder but if Hawthorn or Geelong come knocking for pick 6 they might be able to extract another 1st rounder and really parlay the value. If not they are still getting the guy they wanted all along.
For GWS if this deal was presented with a time covenant then they had to jump because if they waited until draft night they risked a bid coming from Adelaide, Sydney or whoever may trade for the pick ahead of Green.
If that all makes sense I’m not sure but I think it’s potentially what happened and why it was done early.
The prevailing rumour is that they wont as there is a substantial chance we wont match and take their guy instead.So does anybody know if Melbourne are definitely not bidding on green.
Also if they do, what is our planned trade for pick 4 going to be. Geelong 17, 36 2020r1; or perhaps north Melbourne 26,27, 2020r1.
Green doesn't fit their need so would be a less than ideal outcome.