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List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread - Part 2
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Just using your logic
I didn't use any, I just reused yours.
Chapman is a better midfielder than Carroll because he is taller and a better kick.
Tex is taller and a much better kick than Fyfe, therefore he must be a better midfielder than Fyfe.
If you don't like using Tex (because he is a forward) just insert any tall defender who is a better kick than Fyfe. Lynden Dunn will do.
If you want my logic it goes like this.
Carroll actually has midfield runs on the board.
Chapman has none.
The most likely outcome is Carroll is a better midfielder than Chapman.
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Looking forward to your melt when we pick Chapman xD
Are we interested in Chapman because we believe he can play midfield? Or because we think he is the best footballer we can get?
Have you actually watched them? I'm not seeing better disposal although both seem good. Chapman shorter kicking from what I can tell, but I think we need better long kicking especially midfield. Chapman's primary strength seems to be intercept marks which is largely negated in the middle. Carroll at 188 has plenty of size and is young in this draft.
Having watched both Chapman and Carroll at WAFL Colts this year I don't think there is much between them. Carroll was great on a wing as a bottom ager and dominated as an inside mid at Colts level this year. Chapman is no doubt rated higher because he is a bigger body still with great skills and athleticism so could play those taller roles Carroll couldn't. Both seem to have great characters and have leadership potential (which seems quite attractive to us in recent drafts).
Stuck in my mind is the game where Carroll tore Claremont a new one, dominating in congestion and kicking goals. I think East Freo might have made the Colts GF if Carroll wasn't injured - he was that important to their team. His balance of inside/outside and ability to kick goals would suit us. Having said that Chapman is a really good prospect as well - I'd be a little surprised if he was still available at our pick because he would impress other clubs plenty in interviews.
Stuck in my mind is the game where Carroll tore Claremont a new one, dominating in congestion and kicking goals. I think East Freo might have made the Colts GF if Carroll wasn't injured - he was that important to their team. His balance of inside/outside and ability to kick goals would suit us. Having said that Chapman is a really good prospect as well - I'd be a little surprised if he was still available at our pick because he would impress other clubs plenty in interviews.
Great news that Pearce, Hamling, Young and Logue are all on track for next year, but they are the main reason Chapman is being talked about as a midfielder.
Whilst I agree - pick 27 was their normal second round pick. But good on Geelong for taking advantage. The only difficulty for us doing the same was that we only have three picks in 2021 and want to retain them. Geelong have a swag of 2021 picks due to trading out of this years draft. Ended up with 2 x 3rd round picks and 3 x 2nd round picks. 2021 picks are rated higher than this years picks and that 27 will prob drop to 32.
We could have offered our 2021 2nd for 27 & 2021 3rd (received from Carlton). Knowing that we may have a points deficit applied to 2nd / 3rd round for academy bid matching. Geelong prob preferred the straight future 3rd (allocated to Melbourne). Prob around pick 45 in a much stronger, less compromised and more known draft.
I’d be happy with either. But there’s a high chance that we get neither.
My money is on getting neither as well but because I think Chapman will be gone and I think we'll choose someone other than Carroll.
If we were to select Jack, Brandon Walker is his best mate so that'd be an extra positive for us. But if that were a priority then we might look at Kalin Lane also because he and Western were a bloody machine for Claremont Colts with the pair being the best ruck->rover tap combination all year.
One interview is enough for the good players; Brad Smith (ex Subiaco player and recruiter for a number of AFL clubs) talked about this in the West on the weekend that clubs often do a single interview early on and that is enough time to know they would be the right fit.
One thing that wasn't mentioned about Chapman is that he has been averaging over 22 possessions; so for a backman he is a total ball-magnet.
Interestingly in his latest december draft musings, apart from Chapman, Henry and Cook, Twoomey also has O'Driscoll as a potential "reach first pick" for us, but thinks we will get distracted by any one of the former lot.
Chapman is very highly rated by state 18s coaches.
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What does Hugh Dixon signing with East Fremantle for 2021 mean for the Dockers. No longer a chance to be re-drafted or is it a way to get him fit?
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East Freo’s Hugh-ge signing, more could follow
East Fremantle have bolstered their big man stocks with the signing of former Fremantle Dockers Hugh Dixon, with the club also in the mix for several other ex-AFL players.
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I've seen Chapman play quite a few times live and his judgement and attack on the ball stood out and really elevated him above others on the field. Those traits are pretty transferable to the midfield.
Probably just more security for him. Especially as he's going to stay here and give it a go to get back on the list. I'd imagine if he gets a contract with Freo, it'd supersede the EF one.What does Hugh Dixon signing with East Fremantle for 2021 mean for the Dockers. No longer a chance to be re-drafted or is it a way to get him fit?
East Freo’s Hugh-ge signing, more could follow
East Fremantle have bolstered their big man stocks with the signing of former Fremantle Dockers Hugh Dixon, with the club also in the mix for several other ex-AFL players.
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Have you also seen Carroll and ODriscoll? A bit of a range in terms of players, but if you were looking for a player to fit what Longmuir seems to be looking for with outside run, skill and transition capabilities, how would you rate them? Generally they all seem to be rated in a band which includes our first pick, but not clearly defined in terms of afl ranking.
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He's probably going to he be the best available at our pick, but I'd be surprised if our recruiters hadn't thought about ways to reduce the need for Fyfe in the midfield..
I wonder if there’s a chance that Carroll or O’Driscoll slides to our second pick at all? We would get Chapman and Carroll/O’Driscoll too then. Or maybe that’s wishful thinking..
If we were confident that walker or western aren’t bid on till pick 40 or so, then we could use live trading on the night to do a pick swap and move that pick 32 up a few spots.
I've probably seen games in which they've played, but took notice of WP more because a family member was playing (in the backline no less).
Fun fact: "Valente" is the Portuguese word for Valiant.
Bugger the booze metaphors, personally I prefer the idea we already have one or two Rolls Royce midfielders out there, with a Valiant Charger muscle car still waiting in the garage.
not quite a booze metaphor
Valente Wines - Family made - with heart and soul.
Pride. Passion. Place. Taste the character of our boutique Yackandandah vineyard in every glass of Valente.
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Personally and reading the relevant material on this matter I’ve never viewed Dixon a chance for the upcoming drafts.What does Hugh Dixon signing with East Fremantle for 2021 mean for the Dockers. No longer a chance to be re-drafted or is it a way to get him fit?
East Freo’s Hugh-ge signing, more could follow
East Fremantle have bolstered their big man stocks with the signing of former Fremantle Dockers Hugh Dixon, with the club also in the mix for several other ex-AFL players.
1st to 4th year players are due to start training Monday 7th Dec - 2 days before the draft. That was never enough time to see if he is dedicated and returns in good physical condition. Also really need to sustained and repeated effort.
There are a couple of opportunities for Hugh - Supplementary Selection Period in the pre-season but given the announcement that he has just signed with East Fremantle I’d expect that he is more of a chance in one of the In-season drafts for rounds 4-8-12. It is during this part of the season if we suffer a long term injury we can place them on the inactive injury list to open up a selection (like we did with Tabs to select O’Reilly in 2019). That would give Freo a decent volume of exposure from pre-season training, pre-season games and WAFL senior games. We can get him down to training at Cockburn a few times during the pre-season and keep across his fitness/skin folds etc.
