List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[BigBreakfast]

It's the complainers of the world who bring about change.

No, it’s the innovators. Complainers are back seat drivers who enjoy the fruits of the labour of doers.

 

[thylacine60]

cause all senior figures at the club study bigfooty complainers seeking ways to innovate and get ahead of the pack - comedy festival used to be in march......

 

[Bostonian]

No, it’s the innovators. Complainers are back seat drivers who enjoy the fruits of the labour of doers.

Wrong.

The innovators hear the complaints and then they act upon them. They note the flaws and faults that others are pointing out.

How many inventors have come up with products or systems that have superseded ones that people complained about?

The answer is shit loads.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Wrong.

The innovators hear the complaints and then they act upon them. They note the flaws and faults that others are pointing out.

How many inventors have come up with products or systems that have superseded ones that people complained about?

The answer is sh*t loads.

Not complainers, people who provide valued feedback. Constant complainers are easily dismissed by those who can actually enact change. Those who provide informed, proactive, balanced feedback are valued by those who can impact change.

And... you’re wrong, ner!

 

[Bostonian]

Not complainers, people who provide valued feedback. Constant complainers are easily dismissed by those who can actually enact change. Those who provide informed, proactive, balanced feedback are valued by those who can impact change.

And... you’re wrong, ner!

Complaining is feedback.

Complaining also isn't a negative thing. Can be highly positive and productive.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Complaining is feedback.

Complaining also isn't a negative thing. Can be highly positive and productive.

Absolutely, except when it is excessive (Jezz) and is dismissed as meaningless rhetoric. Complaining usually illicits an immediate solution, feedback illicits a long term, considered response.

 

[Michael Jezz]

But, you are not a part of the culture change process, just a constantly disgruntled supporter.

In my world, having a growth mindset is crucial but the process of actual growth takes time and support. Change is an important part of growth, as is healthy criticism and feedback. Constant negativity inhibits growth as the proponents become less likely to chance change for fear of excessive criticism.

You display constant criticism which makes you surplus to a growth mindset.

Don't confuse realism with pessimism

 

[BigBreakfast]

Don't confuse realism with pessimism

No, based on a weight of evidence, you are pessimistic. Embrace it or stop it, your call.

 

[Jimmae]

Where am I

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Just read big article online in HS by Robbo, which will be in morning paper. He criticises our club for what he say is "panic buying" for offering up $900k over 5 yrs for Williams, who he uses a Jack Dyer term "he's a good ordinary player". He said that sort of money is what elite players only or AA players get, and Williams is certainly not elite. Has a crack at who was responsible for this "dumbfounded" decision, saying it could cause trouble with other players in the team. I tend to agree about the amount offered, and in some respects the article itself. (Can't download article cause it's behind pay wall.) Maybe someone who knows how can try?
For info......

Saw the article hard to know money correct some source say 750 over five years front ended -- so maybe 900 900 then 600 550 550 -- which is fair given we have to get him to come and we have cash -- plus he a better kick than shiel he cost two firsts 4 million 4 years -- what ribbon say about that

 

[mochacinolatte]

No, based on a weight of evidence, you are pessimistic. Embrace it or stop it, your call.

He will post something 20% Talent and 80% lack of ruthlessness. Not sure, I am 60% correct though.

 

[katmanblue]

'They' is the AFL, they decide the rules about list numbers.

You don't have a lot of empathy for people who might be losing their jobs

Footy's a tough gig.

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[THE_GUN]

Geez thanks for the insight, I knew the boy could play but didn't realize what attributes he actually offered. Would you as a Tigers supporter be okay with losing him for a second rounder? Or, do you think he is crucial to your team structure?

I / We on the Richmond board dont want to lose him and 99% Want him signed up which is very unusual on the Richmond board but you dont get many 22 year olds that have shown what he has specially at a later pick (not saying you cant but its rare maybe 1 -2 a year after pick 20)

We want him to stay but if he was leaving then it depends on the club he goes to and how early the 2nd round pick is i suppose
pick #20-#25 i could live with but #30-#40 i would hate. specially with maurice Rioli jnr this year as father son we have no idea where a bid will fall

If i was the list manager i would be pushing for a 1st round pick upgrade of sorts but who knows what happens we tend to get players to where they want usually to our detriment. Stengle ,Lloyd , Butler , Miles/Ellis etc

 

[THE_GUN]

With your ageing midfield why do think you guys aren’t offering him a decent contract?

I think we do have a decent contract on the table for him and just a guess would be around the $350k-$400k x 4 years
but dont think we can go more than that with our cap as players like Balta , Baker , Bolton , Pickett , Nankervis are all requiring increases

 

[Navy_Blue91]

Saw the article hard to know money correct some source say 750 over five years front ended -- so maybe 900 900 then 600 550 550 -- which is fair given we have to get him to come and we have cash -- plus he a better kick than shiel he cost two firsts 4 million 4 years -- what ribbon say about that

I think this nomination from Williams shows that we are starting to become a destination club.

Perhaps we should've been a bit more proactive with fat stringer or given up pick 1 (Sam Walsh) for Sheil?

From previous years, Robbo backed these 'bold' Dodoro moves, if memory serves me correctly, Robbo maybe even had given Essendon 'A grade' for their respective trade period and 'Top 4/ premership contender tag'.

On Robbo's performance of late, he has been well off the mark. Especially late in the year, we could clearly all see on 360 that he had been getting sick of the 'Footy Frenzy'.

As a viewer, he needs to stop whinging about the amount of games and get back to his more insightful and well balanced assessments. He ain't correct with this recruitment of Williams, shut up and do your job properly big man or deligate it to someone else who thinks a bit more laterally.

 

[RPCB]

It’s on! Grab your skateboards folks!

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If I can offer some clarification as to why mods delete posts. Think of a mod like a salesperson. A salesperson has a certain amount of whatever it is they’re selling that they have to sell in one day and if they don’t, that persons boss won’t be happy and the next day they will have to double their workload. A mod is like that, they have a certain amount of posts to delete - “cull the shit” so to speak - and if they don’t, the admin ends up changing that mods password and even takes the forum to a different server so the mod can’t find the forum anymore.

.....My post will probably get deleted and I am totally fine with that.....

 

[THE_GUN]

Lonie seems realistic
Hunt would be fighting with Honey for a spot
Richmond won’t let Higgins go


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I would for Kemp

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

The same Mark Robinson had Williams at 41 in his top 50 ahead of guys like Petracca, Treloar, McCluggage and Haynes.

900k is overs, so is 800-850k (the more likely figure), but that’s what you need to do to get the best FA’s across. If our first round pick nets us an extra A grader we’ve done it perfectly.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

The same Mark Robinson had Williams at 41 in his top 50 ahead of guys like Petracca, Treloar, McCluggagge

Yep, cause 41 is a Good ordinary player


he is a biased duffle coat wearing drunk, and that was a seven can effort from him

 

[Stamos]

he is a biased duffle coat wearing drunk, and that was a seven can effort from him

So he wrote it in the morning?

 

[smashbox gill]

Question.
When Casboult moves out of the 22 (most likely next year when Charlie is back) who plays the 2nd ruck position?

I can’t see us playing both TDK & Pitt along with Charlie, Harry & Gov + JSOS.

The obvious candidate is Harry but the club has seemed reluctant as yet to put him in the ruck for 5min a quarter. If so do we go the smaller avenue similar to bulldogs and Dunkley?

1 player I actually thought who could be decent for this would be McGov. Has the strength and leap to be able to provide a chop out, and this is one way he could actually benefit the team

 

[Brackets]

Was a fan of Hunt a couple of years ago. Haven't followed him closely enough to know his recent progress but someone I'd be in favor of adding - his speed would add value to any line and has intensity.

How did Ronke go from kicking 7 to on the scrap heap. That's quite the outlier.

 

[Sheephead]

I would for Kemp

Question.
When Casboult moves out of the 22 (most likely next year when Charlie is back) who plays the 2nd ruck position?

I can’t see us playing both TDK & Pitt along with Charlie, Harry & Gov + JSOS.

The obvious candidate is Harry but the club has seemed reluctant as yet to put him in the ruck for 5min a quarter. If so do we go the smaller avenue similar to bulldogs and Dunkley?

1 player I actually thought who could be decent for this would be McGov. Has the strength and leap to be able to provide a chop out, and this is one way he could actually benefit the team

Why do I have that new Maccas monopoly ad in my head where those two blokes scream like bitches in front of their girlfriend when they see a instep head. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgghh!!!

 

[HARKER]

Question.
When Casboult moves out of the 22 (most likely next year when Charlie is back) who plays the 2nd ruck position?

I can’t see us playing both TDK & Pitt along with Charlie, Harry & Gov + JSOS.

The obvious candidate is Harry but the club has seemed reluctant as yet to put him in the ruck for 5min a quarter. If so do we go the smaller avenue similar to bulldogs and Dunkley?

1 player I actually thought who could be decent for this would be McGov. Has the strength and leap to be able to provide a chop out, and this is one way he could actually benefit the team

McKay doesn't want to play ruck. At least that was the case not so long ago.

I think we'll trial the taller forward line and see how it plays out, but we won't be playing all those talls together.
If McKay and CCurnow are good to go and we do play the two rucks, then one of McGovern or any other tall sees us through.

It will be interesting to see what Teague has in mind.

 

[The Greek Freak]

Robbo

Surely we are not really giving that oxygen thief any attention whatsoever?

He's a pathetic excuse for a journalist.

We don't care what idiots on Bay 13 have to say about our club, Robbo is no better. He's an Essendon fanboi who wouldn't know the first thing about list building, contracts etc.

He has one job: to sell papers. And the best way to sell papers is to be controversial and put utter trash out in the public domain.

It's not even worth reading what he has to say, just as it's not worth wasting time listening to Kane Cornes.

Exactly, needs to take a long hard look at his club and the position they're in, and the people that have put them in that position before he starts potting other clubs. Actually can't believe he's questioning some of our list decisions, Jake Stringer anyone