List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[bigdog43]

This years first rounder for Papley, next years first for Wines. Potentially something coming back on both trades. Assess the salary cap, offer as much as we can for Zac Williams. We can't afford to not be major players in this years trade period, we can't afford to lose Cripps and he's desperate for support in the middle.

 

[Robertio]

nope, as in finishing last.........

Proof that you were up way past your bedtime last night, you forgot that Adelaide were still in the comp.

 

[Juice030103]

I definitely sense that the list manager will want to have a big offseason to keep Cripps. Doubt he leaves but you dont want to risk it. crouch and wines will be awesome but there is a lot of options. Despite how good Crippa is, the era is weiters draft and younger. hes not too far out from that but hes not really in it. id be happy to go all in the offseason cause carlton need wins on the board, but i could see them going back to the draft as the midfield crop is awesome this year. If they go for guys like crouch and wines, that means they are trying to make cripps happy as well as trying to be good now. If we go to the draft and pick 18 year olds that might not impact the side straight away that might mean they are willing to give up crippa for more first rounders in 2021 in order to keep that weiters era more young and together. Obviously we wanna keep crippa but at the end of the day one player doesnt win a flag its a team, and if we got 3 first rounders for him thats 3 really good assets to the team. Most likely none of them will be as good as crippa but what would you rather? 3 really good quality players or 1 champion? Im happy with either option as both results make our side great, no excuse not to have a great offseason. Obviously the cripps scenario will happen next year if it does, but we have a lot of paths that we can go down and 90% of them are great. Will be interesting to see what we do.

 

[Coona Blues]

When Docherty took over the captaincy at the start of 2018 he was setting himself to become a key part of our midfield.. The answer to our midfield issues might be closer than we think.. Give him another half dozen games finding his feet and then i think we throw him in there and see what we have got..

No doubt Doc could go in and cover some short term cracks, but he is an integral part of our defence and is the closest thing we have to a rebounding defender.

I am put off by the range of posters calling for high profile trade ins already. The out of contract players are not attractive to me, given the potential cost. The
only possibly available player I would part with our first for is Papley. He is a need, who importantly wanted us. (I do hold some small hope that Honey, Phillips or Owies will elevate by season's end making it less of a need), Martin and Cuningham form 2/3 of a long term forward structure, although both can be mids as well). If Sydney are prepared to release Paps he is worth a mid to late first or a higher pick with a little change.

I personally do not want to trade our first for Wines or any other contracted player. Zac Williams or Brad Crouch are well worth a "nibble" as free agents. I
will add a rider as well. If we are confident of acquiring either free agent, then it is time for Marc Murphy to pull the pin. I do not want to reignite the debate
over Murph, but simply put, we need generation next to begin now. Caldwell, Hately and a couple of other youngsters are good players, but so are the kids we have invested in already.

Dow has already had a grounding, he has been a frustrating slow burn, but that is the nature of the beast. He has shown enough to understand the club's
obvious confidence in him. He continues to frustrate many supporters, me included, but by no means should be considered a write off. O'Brien is more peripheral, a genuine winger who has shown good glimpses, I feel confident he is a part of the future. I have trouble seeing Newnes being of greater value
in the 22. Can't help but feel the club is having a bit each way on the experience stakes, trying to establish Newnes pending Murphy and Curnow exits. I
cannot support this, LOB is moving past the kid stage, entering the sweet spot for adequate contribution. Needs to be fast tracked, while not consistent, at last glance has great disposal and is prepared to fly the flag for his mates.

I am over the reticence to play Stocker. The couple of games he received showed him combative and skilled, plenty of young players (read Brayshaw, Cerra, Smith, Lipinski, Parish) regularly play around 70% game time, so no harm in this. The youngster needs game time to be able to step up as a permanent in
2021. Similarly, we know Philp will apply extreme pressure at great pace, Lang only played 71% as a stop gap pressure player on Saturday. We have reduced
game time and Teague has announced the reticence of some to spend time on the pine. It is the year to blood limited minutes players. Setterfield needs more
time in the engine room, lauded in preseason for his showings while training inside, yet the season starts and he is pushed to a wing. Show the kid some confidence. Kemp to come next year. We have to go past the oldtimers very soon. Bloody prepare for it Teaguey. If the management has you scared for your tenure and demand results, I can confirm to you it won't come by being conservative. SOS deserves some midfield time too, as does Cunners, we know Martin can pinch hit or better, but there is no second tier competition for the youngsters to audition in. If they are close, give them a bloody go. Invest in the future.

The board, the CEO and footy manager need to make DT confident his role is safe. Coaches need confidence, just like players.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

This years first rounder for Papley, next years first for Wines. Potentially something coming back on both trades. Assess the salary cap, offer as much as we can for Zac Williams. We can't afford to not be major players in this years trade period, we can't afford to lose Cripps and he's desperate for support in the middle.

Two first rounders for Cripps on traded to Gold Coast for Rowell ??

...only joking

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

What I do not want is another fringe player from another club who can’t get games, that will be lauded as our saviour.. We have tried this far to many times and it has not paid off.. Anyone we bring in needs to walk in, be starting 22 and a top 5 in our bnf.. If we have to give up draft picks to get this player so be it..

 

[Bluebag13]

Two first rounders for Cripps on traded to Gold Coast for Rowell ??

...only joking

Get out

 

[HBF]

I understand why you wouldn't be.

Just two? Not Kreuzer or Marchbank? Debatable I guess and then Dow? Newman maybe....maybe?
Whichever way though, we have many top 30 players not available, which often doesn't augur well for the season ahead.

I don't know where we'll finish other than knowing that the more injuries we have, the harder it will be....unfortuantely.

I think at years end Kreuzer may not be best 22.

 

[HBF]

Can someone confirm McGovern is on $800000 a year if so that’s why our club is the laughing stock of the AFL

Do you really think SOS would pay that sort of money to McGovern based on what he has done in the past?

 

[HBF]

Jack Viney (FA) fits the bill as an aggressive, developed midfielder.

The plus side is that he is close friends with Ollie Wines.

What's the good oil on Wines C4?

 

[F_therest]

Depends how much he plays and how good his form is this year. He was a former first rounder himself, drafted in an exceptionally strong draft that is unearthing stars on what seems almost like a weekly basis.

I’d much rather use Pick 5 on Caldwell with a few years experience than select an 18 year old from a weakened and compromised (due to academy pick dilution and lack of exposure to junior football) 2020 draft pool.

At best we might be able to downgrade our first pick to a later first rounder, but GWS won’t accept being ripped off in a trade. They know how good he is, and I think we will see his talent on display in a big way throughout the year, and we’ve already got a small glimpse in the first few rounds.

You'd give up pick 5 for Caldwell? Why would we chase Caldwell when he's a young mid who has only shown glimpses at AFL level...we have plenty of those ourselves.

Setterfield/Fisher/SPS/Kennedy/Cuningham/Dow/LOB/Stocker/Kemp/Philp...in what world do we need Caldwell? If we're going to chase a mid, it has to be a mature and established midfielder. Not one with 'potential' which we already have heaps of. Especially if we're going to give up pick 5.

 

[blue healer]

What's the good oil on Wines C4?

That sounds like an Italian thing....good oil in wine..... sorry

 

[F_therest]

I hope the coaching group have enough common sense to move SPS into the midfield by the start of 2021.

Also hoping to see E Curnow outside our Best 22 by early next year...would be a clear sign of improvement.

Yeah i don't think we're making the most of his ability in defence...he isn't actually particularly good at defending inside D50 anyway.

Played mid as a junior, showed his capabilities in that Bulldogs game last year. In and around the contest he's a good tackler, can evade traffic and is a good passer to our forwards. He's also showed to be a pretty good marker when drifting forward as well since he's got a pretty good leap and marks the ball with his arms outstretched. We don't get to see these traits as much when he's playing defence.

 

[blue healer]

This years first rounder for Papley, next years first for Wines. Potentially something coming back on both trades. Assess the salary cap, offer as much as we can for Zac Williams. We can't afford to not be major players in this years trade period, we can't afford to lose Cripps and he's desperate for support in the middle.

Really don't think we'll get anything back for Papley, I thought we had a crack at that this year. Wines maybe.

Just on Papley, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him stay in Sydney, pretty sure the Swans will be working towards that and after all, Sydney is a great city.

 

[F_therest]

Interesting he didn’t dispute the money though

Far out if we really are paying McGovern $800k a year SOS is not as good a list manager as i thought.

I'm hoping that's the front loaded first year figure but over the life of the contract it's more around $650k. SOS had typically been a tight-arse, surely he didn't offer McGovern that much.

 

[F_therest]

When Docherty took over the captaincy at the start of 2018 he was setting himself to become a key part of our midfield.. The answer to our midfield issues might be closer than we think.. Give him another half dozen games finding his feet and then i think we throw him in there and see what we have got..

Personally i'd much rather Docherty stay as a defender, where he made AA, and SPS moved to the midfield instead.

We already know SPS has the ability to play midfield, he's shown it at AFL level before and he was a gun mid in juniors.
It would appear to be a much bigger leap for Docherty to play midfield as he's never really played there before, and we'd be losing a potential AA quality defender from our back 50.

It just makes sense, doesn't it?

 

[Own The Future]

It may not even be an option as I’ve heard that the mid season draft may not go ahead this season, but if it does I wonder if we give Kyle Martin a go.
Seems to be just what we are crying out for - a running machine who is a great ballwinner. I will admit that form in the lower leagues doesn’t always translate to the AFL level, but as a flyer on a short term contract could be worth a look.

 

[La Dispute]

You'd give up pick 5 for Caldwell? Why would we chase Caldwell when he's a young mid who has only shown glimpses at AFL level...we have plenty of those ourselves.

Setterfield/Fisher/SPS/Kennedy/Cuningham/Dow/LOB/Stocker/Kemp/Philp...in what world do we need Caldwell? If we're going to chase a mid, it has to be a mature and established midfielder. Not one with 'potential' which we already have heaps of. Especially if we're going to give up pick 5.

Most have these guys haven't showed anywhere near the level of talent Caldwell has, and it AFL level. Watch how good he was last week to show how much better a prospect he is than these guys.

Comfortably the most natural footballer in comparison to any of the names you've put up, many of whom are actually quite disappointing and not showing anywhere near their junior output. Why even put up guys like Kennedy and Cuningham? They are now 5th year players! Not young players any more.

As I said further below, we could definitely nab him for less, but lets not underrate Caldwell - the kid is a gun.

 

[F_therest]

This years first rounder for Papley, next years first for Wines. Potentially something coming back on both trades. Assess the salary cap, offer as much as we can for Zac Williams. We can't afford to not be major players in this years trade period, we can't afford to lose Cripps and he's desperate for support in the middle.

Getting Zac Williams to replace SPS and moving SPS to the midfield could improve our defence and midfield in one move.

Our midfield is in a tough spot list wise because the younger guys haven't quite come on as hoped and Murphy/Ed won't be around much longer and need to be replaced. We've also drafted some bigger bodied mids in Stocker & Kemp but it might still take them a few years to develop...a few years we and Cripps don't have the luxury of waiting for...but then getting Wines in may stifle their development and take away their spot in the AFL side as we can't carry too many of that type of player...some tough decisions need to be made.

 

[F_therest]

I think at years end Kreuzer may not be best 22.

I'm already happy with Pittonet to be no.1 tbh...physical and durable. Looked safe under the high ball taking intercept marks as well.
More than Krooz these days unfortunately due to his injuries and it really hurts the team that he keeps getting injured in games.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Two first rounders for Cripps on traded to Gold Coast for Rowell ??

...only joking

 

[F_therest]

Most have these guys haven't showed anywhere near the level of talent Caldwell has, and it AFL level. Watch how good he was last week to show how much better a prospect he is than these guys.

Comfortably the most natural footballer in comparison to any of the names you've put up, many of whom are actually quite disappointing and not showing anywhere near their junior output. Why even put up guys like Kennedy and Cuningham? They are now 5th year players! Not young players any more.

As I said further below, we could definitely nab him for less, but lets not underrate Caldwell - the kid is a gun.

Agree with you there, but how would Caldwell fare in a weaker midfield? At GWS he can just play a support role to a star-studded midfield with Kelly/Ward/Coniglio/Hopper etc...he won't have it as easy at Carlton.

I just feel if we're going to invest our first draft pick, it needs to be for a mature gun we KNOW can still have an impact for us and lead the charge with Cripps to help our plethora of young mids...rather than getting yet another young mid. It's not really the support Cripps needs and the best use of our resources.

Our first, second and third priorities need to be in bringing mature, established guns who can help the team and particularly Cripps in our midfield immediately.

 

[La Dispute]

Agree with you there, but how would Caldwell fare in a weaker midfield? At GWS he can just play a support role to a star-studded midfield with Kelly/Ward/Coniglio/Hopper etc...he won't have it as easy at Carlton.

I just feel if we're going to invest our first draft pick, it needs to be for a mature gun we KNOW can still have an impact for us and lead the charge with Cripps to help our plethora of young mids...rather than getting yet another young mid. It's not really the support Cripps needs and the best use of our resources.

Our first, second and third priorities need to be in bringing mature, established guns who can help the team and particularly Cripps in our midfield immediately.

I'd imagine with his work rate and skillset as well as Walsh did last year.

A lot of what I have said is far more in reference to his value rather than trying to extrapolate an actual trade. If our first pick this year is linked to Papley then it becomes effectively next years first, or we find a way to split our first into two later picks for Papley and Caldwell.

We then sign Crouch as a free agent to support Cripps in the middle. To me that is far more pragmatic list building than going after Wines and Papley, and missing out on Crouch.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

How much lower can that fu**nuckle ricuito sink?

I just want someone to ask him on air how much Gibbs is making to play in the twos...

Seems an obvious question to me

 

[HBF]

When Docherty took over the captaincy at the start of 2018 he was setting himself to become a key part of our midfield.. The answer to our midfield issues might be closer than we think.. Give him another half dozen games finding his feet and then i think we throw him in there and see what we have got..

I think this as well.