List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[BluesRule]

"Because it's OK to say you might need a rebounding defender, or a hybrid mid, or a small forward, but we really have to understand what we have got on our list.

So it is official we are chasing Z Williams, J Kelly and Papely...

 

[CJMB]

I'm probably on my own here but don't see any problem getting Bryce Gibbs back on a Betts type of deal for 2 seasons. He could replace Simpson and we can use his disposal off half-back and reckon he still has a year or two where he could spend some time in the middle.

Rather him than Newnes for example.

That is the hardest of hard passes.

 

[bigm386]

I love Simmo, but his output is well down on previous years, I’m not sure if it’s a direction from the coaching staff, but he is someone who could be gradually replaced without affecting our competitiveness,

It is so tricky when it comes to players like Murphy, Simmo and Kruzer. All three have stuck with the club. But in all honesty I think what happened to Daisy was simpler as he was a two club player and you could argue he was better or equal to all 3 performance wise in his last season.

Unfortunately players can't perform forever. In reality I would ask the question if we let all 3 go at year end would they likely be given a chance at another club considering age and performance? If the answer is no you have to move on.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It is so tricky when it comes to players like Murphy, Simmo and Kruzer. All three have stuck with the club. But in all honesty I think what happened to Daisy was simpler as he was a two club player and you could argue he was better or equal to all 3 performance wise in his last season.

Unfortunately players can't perform forever. In reality I would ask the question if we let all 3 go at year end would they likely be given a chance at another club considering age and performance? If the answer is no you have to move on.

If I was Kreuzer I would get my management to talk to GWS ASAP. Even if if was for minimum wage.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I'm probably on my own here but don't see any problem getting Bryce Gibbs back on a Betts type of deal for 2 seasons. He could replace Simpson and we can use his disposal off half-back and reckon he still has a year or two where he could spend some time in the middle.

Rather him than Newnes for example.

I just think that Gibbs lacks the hunger for the contest.

It's not something Adelaide can bring back, and I don't think it's something we could bring back. At best, he'll now be a somewhat conditional outside accumulator, and I'm struggling to see any side finding a spot for him. I don't think he's the missing ingredient for any of the contending sides, and I don't think he's the type of role model you want to be bringing in to a rebuilding side.

 

[DangerousD]

It is so tricky when it comes to players like Murphy, Simmo and Kruzer. All three have stuck with the club. But in all honesty I think what happened to Daisy was simpler as he was a two club player and you could argue he was better or equal to all 3 performance wise in his last season.

Unfortunately players can't perform forever. In reality I would ask the question if we let all 3 go at year end would they likely be given a chance at another club considering age and performance? If the answer is no you have to move on.

Would any of them happily spend 3-4 weeks at a time in the 2s?

 

[bigm386]

If I was Kreuzer I would get my management to talk to GWS ASAP. Even if if was for minimum wage.

The problem with Rucks is durability is an absolute premium. The midfield need consistency with a Ruckman.

 

[bigm386]

Would any of them happily spend 3-4 weeks at a time in the 2s?

Don't actually know but would take some balls to drop them and to be honest we haven't seen that from Teague.

 

[Gethelred]

Interesting - wonder if that signifies that Sydney/Papley have made it known that a deal won't be made.

I do think it's the right message mid-season, even if it's a load of sh*t. The playing group need to see opportunity, and need to believe that they're the ones who have to lift. No "we'll try and fill the holes later" excuses.

I'd still be making a few moves behind the scenes.

Zac Williams and Jack Viney. Not sure either end up moving, not sure either are motivated by money, and both are at clubs in a reasonable position for a run at the flag during our assumed window. But either/or improve us immensely without needing to part with a draft pick. Williams is versatile enough to play mid or back, and gives us that boost of leg speed we're lacking. Viney is hard as a cats head, never takes a backward step, and his disposal is a step up from other "contested" types like Crouch and Wines.

One of those two would be incredible, then manipulate our draft hand to give us the picks we need to secure a couple of likely types such as Witherden, Rioli, Pettrucelle, McLean, etc.

Of the two, I think I'd prefer Viney. From a cultural/attitude perspective, I think he'd have other players stepping up their aggression which would be a very good thing. Williams is one I think could be a bit of a trap if our on-ballers continue their inconsistent efforts, big investment for a bloke who isn't winning his own ball.

People were asking who our "Neale" would be. Viney would fit that to a tee.

I've been starting to think the same thing. There are some differences - Viney's not the ball magnet Neale is, but Viney's meant to have leadership chops to go with his tackling and hard ball winning - but he'd be a good in.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Although he's probably the least likely of the 3 to come, give me Viney over Crouch or Wines any day of the week. Perfect Ed replacement as a hard nosed, aggressive tackler at the coal face. Doesn't have the elite endurance of Ed so won't be a tagger, but he trades that off with much, much better disposal.

 

[BlueBlood15]

Although he's probably the least likely of the 3 to come, give me Viney over Crouch or Wines any day of the week. Perfect Ed replacement as a hard nosed, aggressive tackler at the coal face. Doesn't have the elite endurance of Ed so won't be a tagger, but he trades that off with much, much better disposal.

Viney has really impressed me this year. He looked to be battling over the last few years with injuries and indifferent form. He’s a real “come with me” type leader and I think any club would be lucky to have him. Doesn’t have great skills but he always gives 110%. Would look at him if he’s available but I’d be shocked if Melbourne weren’t trying to lock him away long term.

 

[CJMB]

Viney has really impressed me this year. He looked to be battling over the last few years with injuries and indifferent form. He’s a real “come with me” type leader and I think any club would be lucky to have him. Doesn’t have great skills but he always gives 110%. Would look at him if he’s available but I’d be shocked if Melbourne weren’t trying to lock him away long term.

After last night they might be feeling alright about their top 4 mids being Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw & Viney

 

[Stamos]

Something to consider is it would seem that this year, all aspects of recruitment will be more difficult.

It's already August, and clubs still don't know what the list numbers and TPP will be for next year. There is no Under 18s competition.
It would seem likely that all clubs will be somewhat more conservative with player movements this off-season.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Viney has really impressed me this year. He looked to be battling over the last few years with injuries and indifferent form. He’s a real “come with me” type leader and I think any club would be lucky to have him. Doesn’t have great skills but he always gives 110%. Would look at him if he’s available but I’d be shocked if Melbourne weren’t trying to lock him away long term.

Apparently he was pretty shocked when he wasn't voted as captain this year, so maybe he's pissed at the club and looking for a fresh start?

That's clutching at straws though, and he's a former captain with strong family ties to the club, so I can't see him leaving personally.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

After last night they might be feeling alright about their top 4 mids being Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw & Viney

To be fair Adelaide can make any team's midfield look amazing.

 

[BlueBlood15]

After last night they might be feeling alright about their top 4 mids being Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw & Viney

Agreed. That’s a fairly high quality midfield group. However, I think Melbourne suffer from the same issue in the midfield as we do. They’ve got a lot of contested ball, inside players but they haven’t got the outside class and ball use. They tried to address this by recruiting some wingman - Langdon and Tomlinson. Tomlinson has been in and out. Langdon can find the ball but is a butcher. As much as I would like Viney (as an Ed type replacement), I think we desperately need a pacey outside type (like a Zac Williams) to complement our inside ball winning ability (Cripps, Ed, Setters and Kennedy)

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Agreed. That’s a fairly high quality midfield group. However, I think Melbourne suffer from the same issue in the midfield as we do. They’ve got a lot of contested ball, inside players but they haven’t got the outside class and ball use. They tried to address this by recruiting some wingman - Langdon and Tomlinson. Tomlinson has been in and out. Langdon can find the ball but is a butcher. As much as I would like Viney (as an Ed type replacement), I think we desperately need a pacey outside type (like a Zac Williams) to complement our inside ball winning ability (Cripps, Ed, Setters and Kennedy)

I agreed 100000% with the bolded. Priority number 1 this off-season should be trying to pry one of Kelly or Williams from GWS.

 

[Accidental genius]

The issue i see us having at the moment with the veterans. Is that they are playing solid 7/10 football. Maybe pop up for an 8, or drop to a 6. But its just solid, no more no less.

Im talking Murphy Betts Curnow Simpson obviously.

These 7/10 games are stopping us from getting games into Fisher LOB Honey Stoker Dow Philp.

Who might offer a 6/10 game at the moment for the most part, so only slightly less. But is potentially stagnating their development by getting no consistency of matches.

Off season 2020 is time to be ruthless with these players unfortunately, and there should be no reason for Simpson Kreuzer and Betts at a minimum potentially Curnow as well to be on the list in 2021

Agree that the vets average 7/10 but I don’t think we can expect to get 6/10 from the developing players. I don’t want to put a rating on them as it is too difficult to do but 6/10 solid is wishful thinking imo. Particular if you played all of them in the same team. Team wise we would probably get a hiding from some teams. My preference would be to do what the club is doing and bring them in one at a time and make them earn it to also set a bit of a standard.

 

[footyfan1978]

Something to consider is it would seem that this year, all aspects of recruitment will be more difficult.

It's already August, and clubs still don't know what the list numbers and TPP will be for next year. There is no Under 18s competition.
It would seem likely that all clubs will be somewhat more conservative with player movements this off-season.

Good timing for us as we do not need to be making any massive changes anyway.
Hopefully list sizes are kept at 38 plus the rookie/supplemental player numbers beyond the main list.
I want a proper reserves team and hard to do it properly if you had less than 44 players between the main list plus supplemental guys on short term contracts.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The problem with Rucks is durability is an absolute premium. The midfield need consistency with a Ruckman.

If their salary cap is in as much trouble as reported that will cost them money they just don’t have.

 

[AlecDuncan]

I read the statement as telling members not to expect a big fish.

 

[Mezzoculo]

I've been big on Toby McLean, having watched the Dogs regularly over the past decade, and still think he fits the bill.
I also think we should enquire about Tom Phillips from the pies. Is a natural hard running winger who can hit the scoreboard. Like McLean, he's been pushed out to a hff, which had impacted his output significantly.

 

[DangerousD]

Don't actually know but would take some balls to drop them and to be honest we haven't seen that from Teague.

Rightly or wrongly, I can see big Kruz being able/happy to be 2nd in line, just a feel though. I can’t see the other two continuing on if they aren’t automatic starts.

 

[HARKER]

"Because it's OK to say you might need a rebounding defender, or a hybrid mid, or a small forward, but we really have to understand what we have got on our list.

My point as it has been for months now - We have to understand what we have before we go reaching for players that may not be necessary.
I'm just not sure that for several reasons, we can do that with any certainty this year; Injury, no VFL, Shortened quarters, unusual situation, new coach, new game plan etc

Why are we different to many other clubs? It's because we're some way away from even knowing what our best make-up is.

 

[DangerousD]

"Because it's OK to say you might need a rebounding defender, or a hybrid mid, or a small forward, but we really have to understand what we have got on our list.

My point as it has been for months now - We have to understand what we have before we go reaching for players that may not be necessary.
I'm just not sure that for several reasons, we can do that with any certainty this year; Injury, no VFL, Shortened quarters, unusual situation, new coach, new game plan etc

Why are we different to many other clubs? It's because we're some way away from even knowing what our best make-up is.

Surely you think you have an idea of where we are at or which area needs work? I know you have been big on the fact we have recruited a lot of mids and how they all fit, but what about other areas? Small forward and small defenders? We haven’t drafted many and the ones we do have a cat B and rookie selection players. Does that mean, we will just be more selective come trade time, quality over quantity?