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Simpson, Eddie and the Kreuzer: Carlton's call on veterans looms

Whether Carlton shuffle off one, two or all three of these venerated veterans, the curtain must be drawn respectfully. How it's done will matter, not just when.

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[katmanblue]

Source?

It would require trading out a big name.

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[katmanblue]

I would trade Liz Hurley for Halley Berry, maybe with a second coming back? Apparently can run through the midfield [emoji106]

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[Arr0w]

As you are being technical, its not sacrificing two players. Going off previous trades, all of the trades that give two first rounders, have got a second rounder back.

You give two firsts but get Kelly and a second back, the Pies cleaned up in the Treloar trade as they picked well. If you get a second round like we did a few years ago where Witherden, Parfit, Fisher and Bolton all went in the 20s, then happy days.

Big difference in age to when Treloar was traded, compare to Kelly's age now

When trading, age/time left in the game plays a huge role

 

[Curnivore]

Big difference in age to when Treloar was traded, compare to Kelly's age now

When trading, age/time left in the game plays a huge role

DangerousD Kelly in my opinion is more talented then Treloar which has to be taken into consideration as well.
But as does injury history, as does where clubs sit in terms of where they are on 'the clock' as Eddies ex puts it. I really loved SOS at the trade table and it is going to be really interesting this off season to see what we are made of without him.

 

[ctwenty1]

what are people's thoughts on another crack at papley post-season? will we have to get involved in daniher-gate again? is he gettable? what'll we need to pay?

Yes, maybe, yes, too much

 

[Foucault1989]

I've seen a lot of posters including Macreadie in the delist list. I'd like to hang onto him as key position backup. If he was delisted from another club, I'd love to have a look at him. Still think he has some strong attributes

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

If we got offered Kelly for two firsts I’d bite off there hand.
If we haven’t recruited enough midfield talent to support Walsh, Cripps and Kelly then we have been absolutely horrible recruiters. Our forward line is very good but lacking a good small forward, we lack a wingman, and a quicker rebounding defender. That’s about it.
Have a look at all the best sides, they have role players everywhere. You always try to address holes but you will always find another because there is no such thing as a perfect side.
Our backline imo is easily capable of winning a premiership. Easily.
A forward line of Curnow, McKay, Martin and MM is pretty easy to build around and the Key pieces are there. Surely an Aarts or Baker, Castagna etc can be found.

The main point is that if that midfield of Curnow, Walsh, Kelly and Cripps can’t be supported by Stocker, Setterfield, Dow, Philp, SPS, LOB, Kennedy, Murphy and Kemp then that just proves that Kelly is worth two firsts because we have 9 former first rounders just as support players in the midfield. Not to mention two early seconds in Cuningham and Fisher.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Woohoo Dow is back!! Polson wowowow

 

[thylacine60]

Yes, maybe, yes, too much

succinct, precise, concise, acute............

 

[Juddernaut08]

Yes, maybe, yes, too much

whats your thoughts on peace in the middle east

 

[ctwenty1]

whats your thoughts on peace in the middle east

It won’t happen over night, but it will happen.

 

[DangerousD]

Big difference in age to when Treloar was traded, compare to Kelly's age now

When trading, age/time left in the game plays a huge role

Yes it plays a big role, that wasn’t the point of my post though, Whatever comes back in any trade needs to be taken in to consideration, if you give two first rounders for a player and get a second rounder back, you have given two picks and you have got two players.

As the number in which your first round picks fall is super important (1-18 big difference) any picks coming back needs to be factored in.

 

[DangerousD]

DangerousD Kelly in my opinion is more talented then Treloar which has to be taken into consideration as well.
But as does injury history, as does where clubs sit in terms of where they are on 'the clock' as Eddies ex puts it. I really loved SOS at the trade table and it is going to be really interesting this off season to see what we are made of without him.

I wasn’t trying to compare players or advocate for picking up anyone or not picking them up, I’m just highlighting that the picks coming back shouldn’t be ignored or the position our first rounders are likely to fall shouldn’t.

The difference between two first round draft picks at picks say 5 and 8 is a long way off say 10 and 14, then you get say a pick at 26 coming back which should get you a handy player.

Im more than happy to give up two first rounders for the right type of player, I definitely don’t think a player Kellys age is too old to get good value, I expect him to play for 8 or so more years.

 

[Arr0w]

I wasn’t trying to compare players or advocate for picking up anyone or not picking them up, I’m just highlighting that the picks coming back shouldn’t be ignored or the position our first rounders are likely to fall shouldn’t.

The difference between two first round draft picks at picks say 5 and 8 is a long way off say 10 and 14, then you get say a pick at 26 coming back which should get you a handy player.

Im more than happy to give up two first rounders for the right type of player, I definitely don’t think a player Kellys age is too old to get good value, I expect him to play for 8 or so more years.

8 or so years?

DD

Am happy to put a trillion $ on that not happening

 

[Juddernaut08]

I wasn’t trying to compare players or advocate for picking up anyone or not picking them up, I’m just highlighting that the picks coming back shouldn’t be ignored or the position our first rounders are likely to fall shouldn’t.

The difference between two first round draft picks at picks say 5 and 8 is a long way off say 10 and 14, then you get say a pick at 26 coming back which should get you a handy player.

Im more than happy to give up two first rounders for the right type of player, I definitely don’t think a player Kellys age is too old to get good value, I expect him to play for 8 or so more years.

Adelaide are the example. Had they picked up Gibbs for the 2017 grand final, then even 3 first rounders would be worth it had he helped snag them a flag.

If the player fits our window and they would help more than a couple of talented kids for the premiership push then go for it...if we think our list can be a premiership quality team.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Papley is better than a good footballer.

And no, you don't rate Fisher higher than me. He's my favourite Blue behind Simmo and will take over the mantle in the next year or so.

I'm a huge fan of Fisher. Always have been. I just called out this "emergence" for what it is, an over the top assessment on the back of one game after which he hasn't hit the scoreboard.

We're not bypassing Papley because we have Fisher.



That's great. I too like exploring value additions, and have and will continue to raise plenty of options.

I just don't talk down the A grade targets when I raise them as possibilities.

There is clearly room for both. As I continue to say, elevate the floor and raise the ceiling. Both can and should be done simultaneously.

If he's better than a good footballer, I'm not seeing it.

I mean, what did he do today?

11 disposals, 1 tackle and 1 goal.

It's a good game for a small forward, but if we're looking at him as a pressure forward, I don't see him as much of an upgrade on what we already have. He had a couple of touches very early on and kicked a goal halfway through the first quarter, but had next to no impact after that for over three quarters.

His disposal is just too dicey. He had a nice moment kicking that dribbler along the ground today, but he also missed an assist, where he was out in open space in the middle of the ground, missed his target who was in open space, which forced his teammate to track the ball towards the boundary and fire a low percentage running shot from the boundary. If Papley hits this simple target, Sydney are having a set shot about 40m from goal on a slight angle.

The one thing he does that makes me scratch my head is he always attacks every ball at a million miles an hour. Now that might seem like a good thing because he's attacking the contest with speed and ferocity, however, on quite a number of occasions he either fumbles or completely misses the ball. Slowing down a touch in some circumstances may actually be beneficial for him because he can take the ball cleanly instead of overrunning it, compose himself and dish off to another player to set up a play. He's inconsistent in this aspect of his game. Fisher, on the other hand is a lot cleaner in close, which is why I believe he'll surpass Papley as a small forward next season with sufficient training over the off-season/preseason.

He's a good player and he's doing a good job, but nothing more. I just feel that if we add another player to our forward line, we need a different type of player.

FWIW, keep an eye out for Fraser Phillips in the coming seasons. Looks the goods.

 

[Arr0w]

The currency being spoken about for Papley and Kelly would be better spent on the likes of a Petracca, who is a genuine match winner/game changer

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I've seen a lot of posters including Macreadie in the delist list. I'd like to hang onto him as key position backup. If he was delisted from another club, I'd love to have a look at him. Still think he has some strong attributes

Very talented, injury has cost him 2years of development, i rated him to be better than Marchbank...

 

[Arr0w]

Very talented, injury has cost him 2years of development, i rated him to be better than Marchbank...

Same, in fact has more talent than any of our talls, all of them

 

[Eiffel 65]

Very talented, injury has cost him 2years of development, i rated him to be better than Marchbank...

I remember when he debuted for us in 2017. Thought he was going to be our best defender.

Looks so mobile and has a very good kick. Kind of reminds me of Darcy Moore with the way he moves.

He's not the first I'd be offloading at the end of the season. Just feel that he's got a lot to offer should he be able to get his body right.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The currency being spoken about for Papley and Kelly would be better spent on the likes of a Petracca, who is a genuine match winner/game changer

if we think we can get him then we should go for it. The names are all Interchangeable to me, just players who are elite at what they do and fit a need should all be considered

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Same, in fact has more talent than any of our talls, all of them

Besides Weitering, not sure yet if he’ll be a true KPD only going by his physique when drafted, not being able to get a noticeable guide of his capabilities in competing head to head on KPF’s with exposed body work is the only unknown atm, speed agility and run for a 198cm tall is very impressive... If he doesn’t break down again this season, no way I’d be delisting him massive upside...

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I remember when he debuted for us in 2017. Thought he was going to be our best defender.

Looks so mobile and has a very good kick. Kind of reminds me of Darcy Moore with the way he moves.

He's not the first I'd be offloading at the end of the season. Just feel that he's got a lot to offer should he be able to get his body right.

Yeah does have the same style as Moore, as i mentioned to Arrow not quite sure if he isa true KPD atm, lack of exposure against KPF’s from missing so much footy is the unknown for me atm... massive talent though...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

The currency being spoken about for Papley and Kelly would be better spent on the likes of a Petracca, who is a genuine match winner/game changer

Can't see him leaving the Dees.

Who's a more likely target you'd go for with two 1st rounders on offer?