2020 Non-Crows AFL Discussion Part 2

[hey shorty]

So Vlaustin and Grimes both get off staging fines..... Guess that's it then, have at it boys !!!

 

[DJ75]

ok so I just watched the video of all the charges that went to the tribunal.

Here are my thoughts;

Richmond players - both clearly staging. Poor form from tribunal. Atrocious umpiring to get sucked in on both occasions. Is literally encouraging players to dive whenever out of position or whenever someone touches you.

Powell-Pepper - could argue the momentum of the bigger player is what led to him hitting his head in that way. However, P-P contributes to the impact. In reality, it should be cleared.

Murphy - Almost identical to the P-P incident. How on Earth can one be cleared and the other upheld. Absolutely insane.

Ed Langdon - Nothing wrong with this tackle at all. How do you get sanctioned for that??

Luke Dahlhaus - clearly the most dangerous tackle of them all. One arm held and slung in to the ground. So yeh, obviously cleared by the tribunal.

What kind of morons are working at the VFL??

Two nearly identical tackles (P-P and Murphy) - one cleared, one sanctioned.

One strong tackle, but nothing illegal - sanctioned.

One chicken wing tackle and player slung in to the ground. The exact type of tackle the AFL made videos about and have been working to stamp out - cleared.

Mental.

 

[Betts are off]

How can anyone not see this?

Our form in the second half of last year and in the weeks leading up to the pandemic shows that our post-COVID form is simply continuing on from where we left off.

You're not grasping the point mate. No-one is denying we are bad or the severity of how badly we've fallen. I like everyone thought we would be bottom 4 this year and embraced it from the beginning.

And i'm not commenting on whether COVID made us a worse, better or the same, i'm saying the restrictions and competition changes created by Covid makes the comparison between us and the other teams in the comp in 2020 completely superfluous and thus by definition, void. And therefore comparing any team from this season with any other bad team in history completely irrelevant. Its the same with good teams, if Port goes top at the end of the season I wouldn't even try to rank them among the best ever minor premiers for the very same reason. Its an asterisk year for everyone!

So thinking anyone can accurately predict how things 'would have gone' and then cross ranking them against other poor teams in history is complete nonsense.

 

[Crow till I die]

Good on the AFL for applying the Cotchin rule again..I am sure that all parties saw it as an affront that the 2 Richmond lads were accused of anything that other clubs players would get fined for. How dare it even get so far as to have to make these poor lads and their virtuous club have to appeal such an unjust punishment

 

[Doc_]

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Good on the AFL for applying the Cotchin rule again..I am sure that all parties saw it as an affront that the 2 Richmond lads were accused of anything that other clubs players would get fined for. How dare it even get so far as to have to make these poor lads and their virtuous club have to appeal such an unjust punishment

That would be ex Richmond player Stephen Jurica ...

 

[WetCrow1991]

That’s the point though, in these conditions the good get better and the bad get worse.

The teams with new coaches, new game plans, lots of kids are a mile behind the established teams on day 1.

Which is why comparing this year to others is completely and utterly superfluous. It’s like comparing Usain Bolts 100m time to that of a Under 12 3 legged race time.

Except we're a mile behind every single other team, even the ones rebuilding, playing kids, new coaches etc.

We had poor fitness over the last couple of seasons. This year it is worse than every other team.

I would take your point if we were part of the group of rebuilding teams, but we're in our own category of pure shit and that is not because of the Coronies.

Edit:

Maybe it is making us look worse, but it is probably trending with the rest of the league in that regard. Without Coronies the gap between us and the rest would be largely comparable, we know this because that was the trend prior to coronies.

We last won a game on the 3rd of August last year, one we were lucky to win against St Kilda. We have won 2 games since the bye in June 2019, the other win being against wooden spooner Gold Coast.

2-7 after the bye last year.

It aint the Coronies.

 

[Deaneus!]

We have all spent decades mocking and making fun of clubs like Fitzroy, Carlton & Melbourne, for being spectacularly incompetent, and regularly putting in 1-2 win seasons.

In fairness, they sucked for many years on end and deserved the mockery.

There is not a single metric where we are not at historically dismal levels.

How can anyone not see this?

Our form in the second half of last year and in the weeks leading up to the pandemic shows that our post-COVID form is simply continuing on from where we left off.

It's partly self-delusion, partly denial, partly grief.

The facts are that this started long before COVID. COVID hasn't helped, but it's certainly not the reason for our current state of affairs.

We went from 7-5 at the halfway mark, to 10-12



Looks like we really started sucking halfway through last year

 

[Betts are off]

Except we're a mile behind every single other team, even the ones rebuilding, playing kids, new coaches etc.

We had poor fitness over the last couple of seasons. This year it is worse than every other team.

I would take your point if we were part of the group of rebuilding teams, but we're in our own category of pure sh*t and that is not because of the Coronies.

Edit:

Maybe it is making us look worse, but it is probably trending with the rest of the league in that regard. Without Coronies the gap between us and the rest would be largely comparable, we know this because that was the trend prior to coronies.

We last won a game on the 3rd of August last year, one we were lucky to win against St Kilda. We have won 2 games since the bye in June 2019, the other win being against wooden spooner Gold Coast.

2-7 after the bye last year.

It aint the Coronies.

I'm not denying they're bad, i'm not denying they've been bad for a while. I'm denying that anyone can say with even 0.0001% certainty that they know how this season would go for any team without COVID impact, let alone the entire league. Because that is clearly impossible. Its speculation at best!

If you compromise a product like the AFL has had to do in 2020 then the results are compromised. End of story. Comparing teams levels of performance in this season to that of historical teams in of years gone by, its simply apples and oranges mate. They can not be compared!

 

[Crow till I die]

I am just so glad what can be a such harrowing process for most clubs - particularly interstate clubs is always the dead opposite for him and his Richmond boys..it just warms my heart to see that that club gets looked after utterly by the AFL in every capacity..

Hardwick “pleased with process” as Richmond go 3-0 at Tribunal

The Tigers had a successful week off the field.

www.sen.com.au

 

[WetCrow1991]

I'm not denying they're bad, i'm not denying they've been bad for a while. I'm denying that anyone can say with even 0.0001% certainty that they know how this season would go for any team without COVID impact, let alone the entire league. Because that is clearly impossible. Its speculation at best!

If you compromise a product like the AFL has had to do in 2020 then the results are compromised. End of story. Comparing teams levels of performance in this season to that of historical teams in of years gone by, its simply apples and oranges mate. They can not be compared!

Yeah, nah.

 

[Betts are off]

Yeah, nah.

Well you’re half right

 

[SaltPeter]

In fairness, they sucked for many years on end and deserved the mockery.

We went from 7-5 at the halfway mark, to 10-12

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Looks like we really started sucking halfway through last year

How you going anyway? Are you back working, holiday, rehab?

 

[Bearded Clam]

I am just so glad what can be a such harrowing process for most clubs - particularly interstate clubs is always the dead opposite for him and his Richmond boys..it just warms my heart to see that that club gets looked after utterly by the AFL in every capacity..

Hardwick “pleased with process” as Richmond go 3-0 at Tribunal

The Tigers had a successful week off the field.

www.sen.com.au

5 years ago if you watched a tigers game at the MCG the stands/seats would be, at the most, a quarter full..

Since 2017, and obviously not counting this Covid cup carnival season, they’ve been pretty much filling the joint..

the AFL want to see this continue and probably dont want to do anything, even minor in nature, that could possibly turn the Richmond bandwagoners off!..

 

[Deaneus!]

How you going anyway? Are you back working, holiday, rehab?

I am fine, thank you (except for that pesky terminal illness thing).

I'll never work again (the best part of this whole thing)
Got my life insurance payout coming in the next week / income protection paid fortnightly until you-know-what, so $$$'s no problem thankfully
No holidays at the moment, can't fly anywhere... also can't drive, so buying that Lamborghini is pointless (and to think i could walk in to the dealership now and ask, "do you take cash?")

Rehab is for quitters!

Will have to cointinue being a funny bastard for now. Most annoying part is not knowing how long I've got. Not sure If I should give up and just eat ice cream, or do something new, and just eat ice cream. I wanted to finish writing a book, the end-of-life paperwork has taken me two months, i don't quite have the motivation right now.

 

[hey shorty]

I am fine, thank you (except for that pesky terminal illness thing).

I'll never work again (the best part of this whole thing)
Got my life insurance payout coming in the next week / income protection paid fortnightly until you-know-what, so $$$'s no problem thankfully
No holidays at the moment, can't fly anywhere... also can't drive, so buying that Lamborghini is pointless (and to think i could walk in to the dealership now and ask, "do you take cash?")

Rehab is for quitters!

Will have to cointinue being a funny bastard for now. Most annoying part is not knowing how long I've got. Not sure If I should give up and just eat ice cream, or do something new, and just eat ice cream. I wanted to finish writing a book, the end-of-life paperwork has taken me two months, i don't quite have the motivation right now.

I mean I like the ice cream idea personally.

Mate it's ridiculously amazing how positive you've been. I'm not sure I could do the same.

 

[GROTTO]

I am fine, thank you (except for that pesky terminal illness thing).

I'll never work again (the best part of this whole thing)
Got my life insurance payout coming in the next week / income protection paid fortnightly until you-know-what, so $$$'s no problem thankfully
No holidays at the moment, can't fly anywhere... also can't drive, so buying that Lamborghini is pointless (and to think i could walk in to the dealership now and ask, "do you take cash?")

Rehab is for quitters!

Will have to cointinue being a funny bastard for now. Most annoying part is not knowing how long I've got. Not sure If I should give up and just eat ice cream, or do something new, and just eat ice cream. I wanted to finish writing a book, the end-of-life paperwork has taken me two months, i don't quite have the motivation right now.

Not sure whereabouts in Adelaide you are in. But Uber Eats does deliver Ice Cream from Gelatissimo. I can recommend a few flavours.

Feel rather sad, finding out you are not well.

Gosh I had some amazing laughs with you last year trolling the Blues on that infamous thread. You made it even better, by making out to them as if I ran this board ie acting like a mod, so they couldnt even complain about my posts.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I mean I like the ice cream idea personally.

Mate it's ridiculously amazing how positive you've been. I'm not sure I could do the same.

Been smashing a shitload of this stuff recently...



Cant get enough of it!..

and its half price at woolies at the moment.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Not sure whereabouts in Adelaide you are in. But Uber Eats does deliver Ice Cream from Gelatissimo. I can recommend a few flavours.

Feel rather sad, finding out you are not well.

Gosh I had some amazing laughs with you last year trolling the Blues on that infamous thread. You made it even better, by making out to them as if I ran this board ie acting like a mod, so they couldnt even complain about my posts.

Geez some of those blues supporters are out there.. the only problem with those threads was that you felt as if your IQ had suffered a 10 point drop from simply reading some of the blues supporters mind numbingly stupid crap..

 

[Deaneus!]

I mean I like the ice cream idea personally.

Mate it's ridiculously amazing how positive you've been. I'm not sure I could do the same.

I don't have much choice in the matter - it's like an unstoppable killing machine from the future



actual tumour may look different

And don't worry, I still get periods where I am angry and sad. But I'm extraordinarily lucky, i set myself up financially years ago so i know the wife and dog won't ever have to worry again once I'm gone. The wife told me, "I don't want the money, i want you" which was heartbreaking because she was bawling her eyes out at the time, and quite frankly she can do better - hey, given the choice I'd rather live too, but i get to live now without worrying if they'll be okay.

Then i do a bunch of coke and I'm fine!

 

[GROTTO]

Maggie Beers has an excellent range too, if youre purchasing from a supermarket.

 

[Deaneus!]

Been smashing a shitload of this stuff recently...

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Cant get enough of it!..

and its half price at woolies at the moment.

YES

the chocolate
the vanilla
the strawberry

 

[SaltPeter]

I am fine, thank you (except for that pesky terminal illness thing).

I'll never work again (the best part of this whole thing)
Got my life insurance payout coming in the next week / income protection paid fortnightly until you-know-what, so $$$'s no problem thankfully
No holidays at the moment, can't fly anywhere... also can't drive, so buying that Lamborghini is pointless (and to think i could walk in to the dealership now and ask, "do you take cash?")

Rehab is for quitters!

Will have to cointinue being a funny bastard for now. Most annoying part is not knowing how long I've got. Not sure If I should give up and just eat ice cream, or do something new, and just eat ice cream. I wanted to finish writing a book, the end-of-life paperwork has taken me two months, i don't quite have the motivation right now.

My favourite used to be Connoisseur Chocolate Honey Nougat .. but the ****ers stopped making it, even after my emails claiming they were taking the best ice cream off the market. I have yet to find a genuine replacement though occasionally indulge in their Cafe Grande

 

[GROTTO]

YES

the chocolate
the vanilla
the strawberry

Australia’s Favourite Gelato Brand | Gelatissimo

Australia’s favourite gelato made fresh in-store with no artificial flavours or colours.

gelatissimo.com.au

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Maggie Beers used to do one that was like a lacquer but the I don’t think it’s among the flavors on her website. Was the bobomb.