List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread III

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Cameron averages less contested marks a game than Brown over their careers.

 

[Souup]

A player is worth as much as a club is willing to accept for him.

Saad is a decent HB flanker. Wouldn’t even have him in the top 10 in the position in the league.

Brown is a current top five KPF based on total career so far.

Splitting hairs here to be honest. He's worth as much as we're willing to accept but he's out of contract. We might get nothing in return (which many have rightly argued we should consider doing).

The truth of the matter is that a player is worth as much as the market is willing to pay. You could argue it's as much as the club is willing to accept but in sport the buyer has the upper hand, particularly when the player is out of contract and coming off his worst year to date, which is the situation we find ourselves in with Brown.

 

[Souup]

Cameron averages less contested marks a game than Brown over their careers.

Do you think Brown is objectively a better and more versatile player than Cameron?

 

[ChoppyGun]

fu** it. Just redraft Brown.

Yep I don't care anymore who gets him so long as we aren't taken as fools which the media pushes.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Do you think Brown is objectively a better and more versatile player than Cameron?

Cameron is a much better sniper on field I'll give him that.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Do you think Brown is objectively a better and more versatile player than Cameron?

Better? Yes.

More versatile? No.

 

[Souup]

Cameron is a much better sniper on field I'll give him that.

Definitely. Unfortunately being a good bloke doesn't contribute to helping you win premierships - just ask Tom Lynch.

 

[darko]

Do you think Brown is objectively a better and more versatile player than Cameron?

Versatile? No. Better? Probably marginally.

 

[ferball]

Do you think Brown is objectively a better and more versatile player than Cameron?

They are different players.

In many respects Brown is better. In some obvious ones Cameron seems better. For a side like Geelong Brown is probably a better fit.

 

[Le Grille]

I hope we see some more "incoming" action by Tuesday.

I'd still like us to bring in at least 1-2 more players.

Realistically we will need to get a few more than one or two


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[Souup]

Better? Yes.

More versatile? No.

Each to their own but I struggle to see how anyone could suggest Brown is/was a better player than Cameron when you consider all things

 

[darko]

The only guy to kick more goals than Brown last 3 years is Hawkins.

Not Daniher. Not Cameron.

If Daniher who barely played last 3 years gets you pick 7 than Brown should fetch multiple firsts.

 

[darko]

Each to their own but I struggle to see how anyone could suggest Brown is/was a better player than Cameron when you consider all things

What things? You haven't answered my question why Cameron is better?

And don't say versatile because that's bullshit. They are just different types.

 

[ferball]

Each to their own but I struggle to see how anyone could suggest Brown is/was a better player than Cameron when you consider all things

I think Brown is more likely to lift himself and his side than Cameron. I probably don't watch GWS enough but it doesn't seem like he does.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Each to their own but I struggle to see how anyone could suggest Brown is/was a better player than Cameron when you consider all things

You would choose Cameron because he has a lot more tactical flexibility.

If you just wanted an old fashioned hit up FF, you would take Brown.

 

[Souup]

What things? You haven't answered my question why Cameron is better?

And don't say versatile because that's bullshit. They are just different types.

Brown is a one-dimensional lead up, mark, kick goal type forward. He's very good when the system caters to him but struggles otherwise. He applies very little forward pressure and isn't good when the ball hits the deck. He's not agile around the ground or dominant in the air and is limited to playing inside 50m which limits the game plan his team can employ (only really works with quick ball movement which is risky).

He kicked as many goals as he did for us because of the ridiculous amount of times he was targeted compared to the rest of the the comp.

Cameron regularly roams higher up the ground and can play as a link between the 50's. In addition to this he's very dangerous inside 50m due to his athletic ability in the air and when the ball hits the ground.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Brown is a one-dimensional lead up, mark, kick goal type forward. He's very good when the system caters to him but struggles otherwise. He applies very little forward pressure and isn't good when the ball hits the deck. He's not agile around the ground or dominant in the air and is limited to playing inside 50m which limits the game plan his team can employ (only really works with quick ball movement which is risky).

He kicked as many goals as he did for us because of the ridiculous amount of times he was targeted compared to the rest of the the comp.

Cameron regularly roams higher up the ground and can play as a link between the 50's. In addition to this he's very dangerous inside 50m due to his athletic ability in the air and when the ball hits the ground.

Spot on.

A few folks either can't fathom, or haven't twigged, that the strategic aspects of the team have moved on from maximizing this type of player.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

You would choose Cameron because he has a lot more tactical flexibility.

If you just wanted an old fashioned hit up FF, you would take Brown.

Yeah, good call.

I rate them both highly at their best, which we didn't see this year. Maybe Cameron at his very best just above Ben at his very best, because he's more mobile? But Ben is a marginally better kick for goal.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Short memories on Brown's ability when fit and at his best.

 

[darko]

Brown is a one-dimensional lead up, mark, kick goal type forward. He's very good when the system caters to him but struggles otherwise. He applies very little forward pressure and isn't good when the ball hits the deck. He's not agile around the ground or dominant in the air and is limited to playing inside 50m which limits the game plan his team can employ (only really works with quick ball movement which is risky).

He kicked as many goals as he did for us because of the ridiculous amount of times he was targeted compared to the rest of the the comp.

Cameron regularly roams higher up the ground and can play as a link between the 50's. In addition to this he's very dangerous inside 50m due to his athletic ability in the air and when the ball hits the ground.

The only advantage Cameron has is when the ball hits the ground. That's it.

As for the rest of it. Rubbish. It just means they are 2 different types. One ventures outside the 50 and the other stays closer to the goals.

Brown does things better than Cameron that offsets his lack of impact when ball hits the ground.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Short memories on Brown's ability when fit and at his best.

No-one is down-playing Brown. You have an unreasonably low opinion of Cameron, and I can only assume you haven't watched him much.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Brown has kicked some absolute cracking roving goals.

He’s not Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

, but **** me, he isn’t Mason Cox

18

Mason Cox

Age

34

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

either.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

The only advantage Cameron has is when the ball hits the ground. That's it.

As for the rest of it. Rubbish. It just means they are 2 different types. One ventures outside the 50 and the other stays closer to the goals.

Brown does things better than Cameron that offsets his lack of impact when ball hits the ground.

Cameron has had many very good games as the stay at home FF as well. Not so much the last couple of years due to the emergence of Himmelberg and playing Finlayson forward, but he is still serious quality.

 

[ChoppyGun]

As for the rest of it. Rubbish. It just means they are 2 different types. One ventures outside the 50 and the other stays closer to the goals.

Absolute rubbish indeed.

When we had Waite both would roam up and down the field as an outlet from defense.

His running capacity is better than Cameron's yet people now bizarrely claim he's just a stay at home FF off how used this season.

Either no idea or haven't watched him play. Or both.

 

[Samsquanch]

It's all good banter here, but realistically, the answers we seek will only be available in one, two or maybe even three years. Remember, past performance is not an indicator of future performance.