List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part II

[BrutThough]

I'd be keeping Billings no matter what, he will be the cream on top when we continue building into a regular top 8 team.

Really excited for trade period, what I don't want is any outgoing staff though (Roughead, Lethers, Gubby, Rath, etc)

Ratts mentioned last night his plan to get more mids in so Billings can spend more time up forward.

Looks like he is in his plans and in the clubs plans.

 

[Mowman]

Probably won more games for us off his own boot than any other player on our list right now, except maybe Gresham or Membrey with a few of his 4 goal bags.

Has kicked 4 goals or more twice in his career
one bag of 4
one bag of 5

 

[bennymc7]

Has kicked 4 goals or more twice in his career
one bag of 4
one bag of 5

Think he meant Membrey

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

Anyone think there’s legs in this Devon smith stuff?

 

[BrutThough]

Has kicked 4 goals or more twice in his career
one bag of 4
one bag of 5

Membrey is the one I meant has had a few 4 goal bags which has been the difference.

Billings has had match winning performances, not 4 goal bags.

 

[Joffaboy]

The idea of trading out one of your best players because he hasn't reached the level people hoped for is so out of line with the idea of trying to get better each year. We finished sixth this year. Next year we want to finish top four. How does trading away a 25 year old player with multiple top five b&f finishes for a speculative draft pick improve us. Say we get a pick in the teens for him. If we're lucky, we'll maybe replace a good player with a good player after a few years development.

Billings' form from halfway through 2018 to halfway through 2020 was very good. Not superstar stuff, but a consistent top five player for us. He had an average back end to the season. I'm sure that Ratts will be working out how to make sure we get the best out of him, rather than just throwing the towell in and getting rid of him.

Wouldn't be for dp's but part of a trade for quality that makes us better. We aren't at the draft this year.

 

[MrFoster]

Probably won more games for us off his own boot than any other player on our list right now, except maybe Gresham or Membrey with a few of his 4 goal bags.

Got to be joking me, what’s the most number of goals he has kicked this year? Butler, Ryder, Steele, Marshall, Clark, Lonie, King all have impacted games more than Billings.

 

[Captain Paddy]

No idea why people would want to trade Billings, especially if the result is only getting a first round pick in this draft.

Billings playing that high half forward role instead of Kent is ****ing beautiful lol

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Would keep billings considing the draft this year is a crap shoot.

 

[Joffaboy]

If people reckon Billings is a problem I think they're missing the real issue...

Our inside mids got absolutely waxed last night.

Steele, Jones and Ross is a bottom 6 trio in the comp imo.

Gresham and Clark need to improve and that'll give us a significant boost there.

Caldwell would suit perfectly. We have to many small fwds and not enough mids.

If Butler, Lonie, Kent became Butler, Billings and a rotating mid all of a sudden we have the best smalls and a significantly improved midfield.

LFG Gags

So he is part of a trade to get more quality mid or mids.
Honestly, Jack Newnes offered more for Carlton than Billings did for us.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Wouldn't be for dp's but part of a trade for quality that makes us better. We aren't at the draft this year.

When was the last time a club had to give up a player it wanted to keep, to get another player in the door? Kennedy to WC 12 years ago? There are ways to get good players in now without giving up a player.

 

[gringo2011]

Anyone think there’s legs in this Devon smith stuff?

Essendon are a waste of time. They'll waste the trade period ****ing around asking for ridiculous overs. We might as well just scratch him off the list now. Injured all he time anyway. Essendon are deliberately obstructive. Don't get sucked in by their shiny offerings.

 

[Ricmel]

There are unrealistic scenarios where you would trade any player.

Upgrading Billings is not that unrealistic. If we can get a first rounder for him (questionable) and use it to get a Taranto for example, then as a club you have to think about that. If we can't get an upgrade then he stays on the list.

But the unrealistic scenario is to say our list is not improved if we trade Billings. It could be.

 

[Lightsxo]

Hard pass on Devon Smith.

More of what we have and Dodo will ask a ridiculous price.

Rather stick Bytel in the guts then Devon Smith.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Upgrading Billings is not that unrealistic. If we can get a first rounder for him (questionable) and use it to get a Taranto for example, then as a club you have to think about that. If we can't get an upgrade then he stays on the list.

But the unrealistic scenario is to say our list is not improved if we trade Billings. It could be.

Has a club done this in the last ten years? Shopped a player in order to get someone else through the door? It’s a player driven market these days. If a player like Taranto did nominate us, we wouldn’t be trading Billings out to get him. There’s zero indication that a contracted Billings is keen to leave. There’s also no indications that trading Billings is the only way to bring in a big name.

 

[Joffaboy]

Been said a number of times it wont be for draft picks, it would be to facilitate a trade of quality mids.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Been said a number of times it wont be for draft picks, it would be to facilitate a trade of quality mids.

Has that happened at any time in the last ten years with any club? There’s no indication at all that trading Billings is the only way to facilitate a trade for a big name.

 

[Ricmel]

Would keep billings considing the draft this year is a crap shoot.

You are not going to trade Billings for draft picks to go to the draft with, especially not in this draft.

If you are going to trade him it is to get a deal done on an upgrade player.

 

[BrutThough]

Upgrading Billings is not that unrealistic. If we can get a first rounder for him (questionable) and use it to get a Taranto for example, then as a club you have to think about that. If we can't get an upgrade then he stays on the list.

But the unrealistic scenario is to say our list is not improved if we trade Billings. It could be.

I still stand by that we don't improve our list by trading away good players - match winners - especially when it would mean we would still need to be fielding depth at best players.

 

[Ricmel]

I still stand by that we don't improve our list by trading away good players - match winners - especially when it would mean we would still need to be fielding depth at best players.

Really. What if Billings and a future second gets Taranto done?

 

[Baker_for_PM]

Never make decisions on one game, We Win as a team and Lose as a team. Billings has been a standout this year and his efforts helped us get to the finals. Hill has been a bit of a disappointment this year but if at the start of the season you would of told me how good Ryder would be for us, Butler nearly AA, Dougal dominated down back and Zak's clearance work 4 out of 5 ain't bad.
It may of been a disappointing result but overall I'm so happy at were we are as a club.

 

[Joffaboy]

When was the last time a club had to give up a player it wanted to keep, to get another player in the door? Kennedy to WC 12 years ago? There are ways to get good players in now without giving up a player.

This is all hyperthetical, we are talking about what we would do, not what the club would do.
If the club used him for currency, I wouldn't mind, reckon for a no.3 he is a disappointment.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

Been said a number of times it wont be for draft picks, it would be to facilitate a trade of quality mids.

Why can nobody understand that? More impressively how are you not tearing your hair out about people not understanding it?
Do that many people have you on ignore?

 

[Joffaboy]

I still stand by that we don't improve our list by trading away good players - match winners - especially when it would mean we would still need to be fielding depth at best players.

This is true, so we trade Billings.

 

[BrutThough]

Really. What if Billings and a future second gets Taranto done?

I would consider would I rather Taranto kicking the ball to Kent all next season, or would I explore every single possible scenario possible so I could have Taranto kicking to Billings instead so our best 22 improves significantly rather than marginally.