List Mgmt. 2020 Young Talent time

[Vimal Anand]

Thank you chris

If we are specifically looking at outside run...

Nathan O'Driscoll will obviously be at the top of our list being the top WA midfielder. With his size, you would expect him to move inside eventually but I do like him out on a wing. And it does seem as though JLo likes the idea of having bigger wings - Bewley and Acres with us, trialing McCarthy there and even Mayne when he was at Collingwood. He's a good runner with a long kick, think he'd fit in very nicely. Our points deficit might be the problem though, as of right now there looks to be a top 7 - and O'Driscoll is arguably #8.

One guy who would be a great fit is Oliver Henry, a medium sized utility. He could be that marking third tall up front or the link man across CHF. Potentially you could develop him into a wing, but he's not going to be a huge improvement in terms of outside speed. Archie Perkins would be discussed on a best available front, but is more your forward/inside mid potential. The other one in that next grouping of about 4 is Tanner Bruhn, but again inside is where he does his best work.

We could put a bid on Lachlan Jones from the Port Adelaide NGA. He's primarily a medium defender, but has the potential to be the best midfielder from the draft. He's big and powerful with speed, his run off half back could easily translate to the midfield. But any bid for him will definitely be matched.

The last guy I'd be looking at is Jack Carroll. Our pick potentially may be considered too early, but I've been saying he could rocket into the first round mix. He has the height and skills that clubs love, and he's shown off some real versatility too. I think he could be a very good wing.

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[Joao]

Twomey doesn't rate O'Driscoll it seems or maybe the clubs don't and thats where he has got his info? Also no sign of either Walker or Western here which is good.

Thoughts Chris25?

Cal Twomey's 2020 Phantom Form Guide: September update

AFL.com.au's draft expert Callum Twomey ranks his best 25 players in this year's pool

www.afl.com.au

TLDR: His top 25

1.JUH
2.McDonald
3.Hollands
4.Thilthorp
5.DGB
6.Bruhn
7.Henry
8.Campbell
9.Phillips
10.Reid
11.Jones
12.Macrae
13.Davies
14.Perkins
15.Gulden
16.McInnes
17.Chapman
18.Carrol
19.O'Driscoll
20.Jeffrey
21.Trew
22.Cook
23.Cox
24.Laurie
25.Downie

 

[PMBangers]

Twomey doesn't rate O'Driscoll it seems or maybe the clubs don't and thats where he has got his info? Also no sign of either Walker or Western here which is good.

Thoughts Chris25?

Cal Twomey's 2020 Phantom Form Guide: September update

AFL.com.au's draft expert Callum Twomey ranks his best 25 players in this year's pool

www.afl.com.au

TLDR: His top 25

1.JUH
2.McDonald
3.Hollands
4.Thilthorp
5.DGB
6.Bruhn
7.Henry
8.Campbell
9.Phillips
10.Reid
11.Jones
12.Macrae
13.Davies
14.Perkins
15.Gulden
16.McInnes
17.Chapman
18.Carrol
19.O'Driscoll
20.Jeffrey
21.Trew
22.Cook
23.Cox
24.Laurie
25.Downie

I think it's brave to have O'Driscoll so low, I also question why Trew is below guys like Perkins, McInnes, even maybe Davies when he's shown he's better around stoppages as it stands, but I also don't have a bunch of club contacts sso I'd guess he's passing on what he's been told to some capacity

 

[Chris25]

Interesting. A lot of BigFooty seem to dislike Twomey, but he's usually a good source of information. Who knows how much he's heard this year given recruiters aren't out at games every weekend in Melbourne.

I guess with that list you can take out Campbell, Jones, McInness, Davies and Gulden since they're all Academy guys. Ends up with O'Driscoll still being about the 6th or 7th highest rated midfielder. But it certainly wouldn't be the first time a WA mid has been overrated on here.

 

[Lach72]

Reid is an interesting type.
202cm chb?
He looks quite light, and I wonder how much agility he'd lose when he bulks up

 

[Dockeroo]

Interesting. A lot of BigFooty seem to dislike Twomey, but he's usually a good source of information. Who knows how much he's heard this year given recruiters aren't out at games every weekend in Melbourne.

I guess with that list you can take out Campbell, Jones, McInness, Davies and Gulden since they're all Academy guys. Ends up with O'Driscoll still being about the 6th or 7th highest rated midfielder. But it certainly wouldn't be the first time a WA mid has been overrated on here.

O’Driscolls kicking style is weird - it reminds me of Dev Robertson from last year. We saw how far he slid. It seems clubs don’t like that in the modern game at all. Maybe it’s a similar issue, and Twomey is just reflecting what he is hearing from recruiters. In saying that it seems NOD is a bigger body than Robertson.

One thinks certain - we won’t be getting Logan McDonald at our pick anyway.

 

[Joao]

Interesting. A lot of BigFooty seem to dislike Twomey, but he's usually a good source of information. Who knows how much he's heard this year given recruiters aren't out at games every weekend in Melbourne.

I guess with that list you can take out Campbell, Jones, McInness, Davies and Gulden since they're all Academy guys. Ends up with O'Driscoll still being about the 6th or 7th highest rated midfielder. But it certainly wouldn't be the first time a WA mid has been overrated on here.

Is Bruhn that good?

 

[Chris25]

Is Bruhn that good?

Ahead of Phillips is interesting, but you can see why. Bruhn is all class, probably would have pushed up higher if he played this year. Doesn't always translate to AFL though, so I think Phillips is safer.

 

[PMBangers]

Interesting. A lot of BigFooty seem to dislike Twomey, but he's usually a good source of information. Who knows how much he's heard this year given recruiters aren't out at games every weekend in Melbourne.

I guess with that list you can take out Campbell, Jones, McInness, Davies and Gulden since they're all Academy guys. Ends up with O'Driscoll still being about the 6th or 7th highest rated midfielder. But it certainly wouldn't be the first time a WA mid has been overrated on here.

He's absolutely the closest thing the public can get to the consensus of recruiters. It's definitely not in his best interest but I'd love to start hearing some of the things recruiters don't like about prospects.

 

[Joao]

Ahead of Phillips is interesting, but you can see why. Bruhn is all class, probably would have pushed up higher if he played this year. Doesn't always translate to AFL though, so I think Phillips is safer.

I think I'd take the risk on the class over safe. Andy is safe, Serong seems so as well.

 

[Paracleet]

If we're going to add another starting inside midfielder we need a pacey one. We got torched repeatedly by GWS inside mids spreading from a stoppage themselves on the weekend.

 

[Taylor]

If we're going to add another starting inside midfielder we need a pacey one. We got torched repeatedly by GWS inside mids spreading from a stoppage themselves on the weekend.

Perhaps, but to my eye they got clean hands on the ball more than we did which meant they could spread. Mundy cleared the ball for us in a couple of the few clearances we controlled.

We just need to win the ruck, then win the contested ball if not.

 

[FUS_RO_DAH]

Interesting. A lot of BigFooty seem to dislike Twomey, but he's usually a good source of information. Who knows how much he's heard this year given recruiters aren't out at games every weekend in Melbourne.

I guess with that list you can take out Campbell, Jones, McInness, Davies and Gulden since they're all Academy guys. Ends up with O'Driscoll still being about the 6th or 7th highest rated midfielder. But it certainly wouldn't be the first time a WA mid has been overrated on here.

I rate Twomey.

Seems to have a decent understanding of the players all over the country instead of just in Vic.
Plus he seems a likeable guy and always puts his hand up and admits when he was wrong.

Knightmare on the other hand...

 

[Dale147]

Young ones

 

[Dale147]

Young ones

 

[Paracleet]

Perhaps, but to my eye they got clean hands on the ball more than we did which meant they could spread. Mundy cleared the ball for us in a couple of the few clearances we controlled.

We just need to win the ruck, then win the contested ball if not.

Hey we need to be able to try and break even when we're losing the ruck if we're going to be a top side, but that's another story. I just think our mix is not ideal for taking advantage when we are on top: Fyfe - flat footed, wins the ball at the drop. Brayshaw - defends first. Serong - defends first*. Cerra - Slow. Mundy - Not likely to be there on our GF day. Tucker - Defends first. Blakely - C Grade. Means spread can only come from outside players which simply aren't there at centre bounces.

*This may change by as soon as next year. #FreeCaleb

 

[Joao]

I rate Twomey.

Seems to have a decent understanding of the players all over the country instead of just in Vic.
Plus he seems a likeable guy and always puts his hand up and admits when he was wrong.

Knightmare on the other hand...

Twomey gets a lot of his information from the clubs themselves. I am not fully convinced he watches as much as some of the BF guys because he speaks in generalisations about the interstate players in a similar way to what KM does.

His phantom is usually pretty good but I don't think it is because he has a great eye for talent, more because he has great contacts.

 

[Dockeroo]

Knightmare seems to latch onto certain interstate guys in particular.
Logan McDonald wasn’t even in his top 30 a few weeks ago.
After 3 WAFL games, he was the best KPF he has seen since nick Riewoldt.
It doesnt make any sense.

 

[wayToGo_]

Twomey gets a lot of his information from the clubs themselves. I am not fully convinced he watches as much as some of the BF guys because he speaks in generalisations about the interstate players in a similar way to KM does.

His phantom is usually pretty good but I don't think it is because he has a great eye for talent, more because he has great contacts.

Yeah there's a reason he gets a lot more accurate the closer it gets to draft day.

I find WA fans often overrate WA talent (me included - but as happens in every state and it should!) and Twomey often starts considerably underrating the WA players and then over time they move up in his lists. He always seems to overrate the Northern academy guys because he is exposed to them so much more than any other prospects. By the time it gets to draft day the WA prospects will have moved up.

I had O'Driscoll about where Twomey has him until I watched him play for Perth against Subi the other day. I think he should be a top 10 prospect and probably around our pick. Jack Carroll is considerably underrated and I'm not sure why?

Having said all that I agree with Paracleet we need a mid with some serious speed but still some size.

 

[wild side]

Looks like Motlop could be in danger based on that article above.

 

[Joao]

Yeah there's a reason he gets a lot more accurate the closer it gets to draft day.

I find WA fans often overrate WA talent (me included - but as happens in every state and it should!) and Twomey often starts considerably underrating the WA players and then over time they move up in his lists. He always seems to overrate the Northern academy guys because he is exposed to them so much more than any other prospects. By the time it gets to draft day the WA prospects will have moved up.

I had O'Driscoll about where Twomey has him until I watched him play for Perth against Subi the other day. I think he should be a top 10 prospect and probably around our pick. Jack Carroll is considerably underrated and I'm not sure why?

Having said all that I agree with Paracleet we need a mid with some serious speed but still some size.

Definitely underrates WA. Still remember the 2017 draft where all he spoke about was Naughton and Allen and then was surprised by the 6 or so other WA boys that went top 40. Anybody that watched the champs that year surely would have noticed that Naughton and Allen were gun, but they didn't do it by themselves.

I'm not really trying to rank blokes myself this year given how little footage we have but I want O'Driscoll to be our guy simply because stylistically, he is exactly what we don't have. Being from WA is a bonus.

Between him and eventually Western, we could have our speed around the ball.

 

[Scham]

I haven't seen a lot of Carroll but everything I hear and read about him impresses me.

 

[Ge3ks]

I haven't seen a lot of Carroll but everything I hear and read about him impresses me.

'He is a nice size but can also effectively move through traffic without appearing too rushed, and the midfielder is a good decision-maker who always looks pretty composed when he has the ball.'


Sounds good. WA boy with that Mundy/Pendelberry abilty to slow down time.

 

[Nodgey]

Young ones

The West reminding everyone Worsfold is eagles first in case he ends up here. FFS.

 

[Joao]

You read all these nice writeups and find yourself wanting to trade down...