List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[Peter Doherty]

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[Sanders]

What same old thing?

We have won one game in 10 weeks

Your comment makes zero sense

Yeah, kulcha

 

[Sanders]

Facts are clubs don't tank, or play for draft picks.... it just doesn't happen

If round 23 scenario was loser takes the spoon ill guarantee both us and North will be going hard to win the game

So pedalling out doing the same thing, we are doing what all clubs do, trying to win and develop the same time

NO clubs, NO clubs play for picks.... its just not what happens

We will finish where we will finish, North, Hawthorn and Collingwood will all have the same philosophy and commitment

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So 11 mins later my post suddenly made sense…

The idea that teams don’t prioritise long term goals over short term results is one of the dumbest things you’ve ever claimed

ALL clubs do it. The bad ones pick n choose inconsistently

Just like you want us to

 

[Red mist]

Someone that’ll do the job.

 

[Sanders]

Number 1 draft picks back to 2005
Tom Boyd the only flag winner ( and near Norm Smith performance)

But what you do see are multiple B&F winners and AA squad/sides

Ignore Rising Star as that seems to be an award given before the season and adjusted for injuries etc

Boyd and McCartin retired due to outside issues - rather than talent and Watts struggled with the pressure , escaped to SA and loved swimming and **** ie football stopped being his focus

2005	Priority	Carlton	Marc Murphy	296	196	114	AA: 2011; AFLCA: 2011; B&F: 2011, 2017; AFLPA 1st: 2006; AA40: 2009
2006		Carlton	Bryce Gibbs	268 (231)	152	89	B&F: 2014; AA40: 2014
2007	Priority	Carlton	Matthew Kreuzer	189	94	27	AA40: 2017
2008		Melbourne	Jack Watts	174 (153)	161	15
2009	Priority	Melbourne	Tom Scully	187 (31)	89	23	AA40: 2016, 2017
2010		Gold Coast	David Swallow	169	78	20	B&F: 2014
2011		GWS	Jonathon Patton	95 (89)	133	11
2012		GWS	Lachie Whitfield	160	64	43	AA: 2018; B&F: 2018, 2020
2013		GWS	Tom Boyd	61 (9)	50	0	Prem: 2016
2014		St Kilda	Paddy McCartin	35	34	0
2015		Carlton	Jacob Weitering	109	10	2	B&F: 2020; AA40: 2020
2016		Essendon	Andrew McGrath	90	17	7	Rising Star: 2017; AFLPA 1st: 2017
2017		Brisbane	Cam Rayner	63	57	5
2018		Carlton	Sam Walsh	55	22	14	Rising Star: 2019; AFLCA Young: 2020; AFLPA 1st: 2019
2019		Gold Coast	Matt Rowell	11	7	9
2020		Western Bulldogs	Jamarra Ugle-Hagan	1	0	0

tl;dr number 1 doesnt guarantee success but the player you pick is a good player in good systems

Of course only the disingenuous or the habitually wrong ever claimed anything about guarantees in the first place

 

[Red mist]

So 11 mins later my post suddenly made sense…

The idea that teams don’t prioritise long term goals over short term results is one of the dumbest things you’ve ever claimed

ALL clubs do it. The bad ones pick n choose inconsistently

Just like you want us to

So, what facts still remain from 90’s admin culture to now.

 

[Sanders]

Really?, with the emphasis Nicks puts on contested ball that surprises me a little, on my limited viewing that's an area of Callaghan's all round game I feel needs more work.

When has The Sloane Ranger ever been right on that sort of thing?

Mountain of salt needed

 

[Crow till I die]

Brett Cummings was the wine faith gave you good? Hope you enjoyed it up on the GC

 

[Brett Cummings]

Brett Cummings was the wine faith gave you good? Hope you enjoyed it up on the GC

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It was damn good. btw rankine told me he'd come back home if nicks was sacked.

 

[Mutineer]

When has The Sloane Ranger ever been right on that sort of thing?

Mountain of salt needed

I'm trying to work out when Nicksy saw him play live because Callaghan's best 4 games of the 6 he's played this season were on weekends when Adelaide was playing home or in Tassie...the other 2 games he didn't do a lot to catch the eye?

 

[Sanders]

I'm trying to work out when Nicksy saw him play live because Callaghan's best 4 games of the 6 he's played this season were on weekends when Adelaide was playing home or in Tassie...the other 2 games he didn't do a lot to catch the eye?

BronCrow has uncovered that Roo is micromanaging Nicks telepathically, so maybe Roo is the one to look at!

 

[BronCrow]

BronCrow has uncovered that Roo is micromanaging Nicks telepathically, so maybe Roo is the one to look at!

Thank you for the credit. See, it is not hard to be nice to people is it?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Great. Classy in traffic, has size, has that ‘time and space’ in traffic that the rest of our mids seem to lack

Great prospect. That said, I don’t think we can go wrong with a few guys

Confused why you haha’d this Sanders ? Literally just giving my opinion on Callaghan

 

[70lethal]

So what WA players named there should we have taken that were still available at the pick we took our player at?

And what ones turned out better than our pick given you have the advantage of hindsight.

Most of the 2019 draft class for 1.

We went into the draft saying we needed midfielders and what did we do?

So not hindsight as you can go through the draft thread and see that even you mentioned Robertson as our potential 1st at 4 or 6.

It became obvious he was going to slide.
Carlton, GC and Geelong wanted to trade up.
So we could have taken Robertson, Schoenberg, Rivers and Sharp.
Two running machines around 187cm and one was a dual AA u18.

Pickett in the mid season.
SPP or English vs Gallucci was discussed at the time

There's been a stack of rookies taken but we preferred to keep the likes of Mackay.
Look what WCE did with a bunch of 2nds in 2017 compared to us.

 

[GrommoT]

Kid: What AFL team do you barrack for?
Arlo: We're a Crows family here ... big Crows family.

 

[aabp1978]

So is there any (worthwhile) discussion as to the “depth” of next year’s draft? If the views are mixed, and assuming Pies finish bottom (which you would have to say is a strong chance) do we swap say pick 3 and next years first for pick 1? They still get Daicos, and get the points they need for next year…everyone wins..

 

[StonesThrow]

What’s his main traits ?

Smart player with good skills

Nah in the games I saw he didn't accumulate a great deal and was playing forward, but was clean, had great footy iq and a good ball user who can find the goals. All things I love to see. From what I've read he's playing more midfield now and starting to look the goods there.

Will be an interesting prospect by the sounds of it.

 

[Big Crow]

Anyone familiar with the AFL competition rules?

Is there an indiscretion we could commit where the sole penalty is losing 4 points?

Nothing where we could lose draft picks.

What's the penalty for 19 players on the field?

There will never. Ever. Be a quirk of AFL rules that falls to the favour the Adelaide Football Club. Heck, I’d settle for not getting ****ed over by the league at any given opportunity.

 

[Rags_118]

So is there any (worthwhile) discussion as to the “depth” of next year’s draft? If the views are mixed, and assuming Pies finish bottom (which you would have to say is a strong chance) do we swap say pick 3 and next years first for pick 1? They still get Daicos, and get the points they need for next year…everyone wins..

If the Pies finish bottom this year then GWS will have Pick 1.

The irony would be if GWS bid on Nick Daicos at Pick 1, it will cost the Pies plenty of draft points to match. If the Pies hadn’t traded their 2021 1st with GWS and finished last then they could have gone Pick 1. Jason Horne then matched a bid at say Pick 2 for Daicos for less draft points.

Perhaps it just be a case of trying to bring J Horne home from GWS for big bucks after 2 years …. A bit liked we hoped for RANKINE/Lucosius

 

[70lethal]

If the Pies finish bottom this year then GWS will have Pick 1.

The irony would be if GWS bid on Nick Daicos at Pick 1, it will cost the Pies plenty of draft points to match. If the Pies hadn’t traded their 2021 1st with GWS and finished last then they could have gone Pick 1. Jason Horne then matched a bid at say Pick 2 for Daicos for less draft points.

Perhaps it just be a case of trying to bring J Horne home from GWS for big bucks after 2 years …. A bit liked we hoped for RANKINE/Lucosius

Collingwood could have bided on Darcy at 1.
Taken Horne or whoever at 2 and match Daicos at 3 and saved 600 points.

 

[Draft Bored]

Can't hear Callaghan and not think Bo. Hard pass.

 

[conVINCEd]

I don't think that many take young Chris Doerre's predictions that seriously anymore. He doesn't watch an enormous number of games and doesn't have any access to other expert and industry opinions.

He's a guy with a webpage who watches some games.

I'd lean more into Draft Central rankings - because they have a bigger team of analysts - or Twomey because he speaks to recruiters.

And last month Draft Central had Roberts at #4, he’s dropped to #7 in their July rankings as he’s been injured.

 

[Crow till I die]

Mutineer eDPS had high praise for erasmus in some of his latest takes. I have not seen him play at all. You also like Goater for us, what would be Erasmus point of diffetence and if our recruiters went that was should we be expecting big things?

 

[GreyCrow]

You take the player on top of your list then move down once they get picked.

Roberts may be 4,7 or even 11 'according to the experts' but if he is number 2 on our list we will grab him where our pick falls

 

[70lethal]

You take the player on top of your list then move down once they get picked.

Roberts may be 4,7 or even 11 'according to the experts' but if he is number 2 on our list we will grab him where our pick falls

Something like we want English, but bid on Perryman 1st and take Gallucci

We need mids, can't have enough mids, nek minnit McAsey and Worrell