List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

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[Mego Red]

On Horne

GC could finish 17th, why wouldn't we consider trading up?

They are on record saying pick 3 is available and they need another forward

We give our pick 5 or 6 packaged with Himmelberg for pick 2

They get another forward and only slide back 3 or 4 picks

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Himmelburg is maybe worth pick 40.

No one trades pick 3 for pick 5 and pick 40.

 

[Betts are off]

On Horne

GC could finish 17th, why wouldn't we consider trading up?

They are on record saying pick 3 is available and they need another forward

We give our pick 5 or 6 packaged with Himmelberg for pick 2

They get another forward and only slide back 3 or 4 picks

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I looked at the run home for the bottom 3 sides and the way the Suns are playing vs the way the Roos and Hawks are playing, I wouldn't rule out the Suns having pick 1.

SUNS: RICH, GWS, WB, MELB, BRIS, CARL, ESS, SYD
HAW: PORT, FREO, MELB, BRIS, ADEL, COLL, WB, RICH
NORTH: WB, WC, ESS, CARL, GEEL, RICH, SYD, ADEL

Sun's lose out, Hawthorn win 1 more and North go 2-6 and GC are at pick 1.

And I really don't think any of those 3 things are out of the question.

 

[Bearded Clam]

On Horne

GC could finish 17th, why wouldn't we consider trading up?

They are on record saying pick 3 is available and they need another forward

We give our pick 5 or 6 packaged with Himmelberg for pick 2

They get another forward and only slide back 3 or 4 picks

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And then horne still gets taken at three by North.. after they nominate daicos and that other doggies FS lad.. and we have given up himmelberg and still dont get horne. Then we end up spending the pick on a player we probably wouldve got anyway if we simply hadve stayed at the spot we were.

At this point.. horne will be at north. Time to give up thinking getting us a pick directly after north will somehow get him.. if we want him we need norths pick 1 and that will cost an absolute fortune. Its not worth it considering we’ll probably get a gun player just sticking with our original pick.

 

[Jirkago75]

Rankine value has gone down alot. But GC also trying to play him all over the ground and not in the forward line like he should be.

Not sure what you mean luko playing the 3rd tall role? Hes been playing wing / hbf. He's an all star kick and I would think his value has held. Having him deliver into the fwd line would be amazing. He was also a fwd at lower level right? But I think the wing roll suites him fantastic.

But I agree they won't let them go while contracted. I would be more than happy to give up 2021 (if horne was not available / 2022 1sts for both of them. But feels like picks are useless to GC

Not for me, I’d keep both picks and try next year when both are uncontracted

 

[Crowtel]

Thanks for answering for me. I haven't able to go to any football match for years due to health problems. I have been open about that. I was a Gold member of the Crows for 13 years and never missed a home game in that time. Went to Melbourne to watch them at least 6 times. I used to watch every single effing game on the TV for years. I read sites all the time to this day. Right now I'm p*ssed off with the know it alls on here. Anyone that dares to have an independent thought gets pounced on and ridiculed. Enough is enough, all of you take a good hard look at yourselves. I'm out for the foreseeable future. Congrats, you all have driven another one away.

So you make uneducated calls on a player you have never seen play and then crack the sooks when you get called out?

If that's the case then maybe the internet just isn't for you

 

[Crowtel]

No intel, but M Crouch's lack of media this year is notable. He's still in the leadership group (I think), but hasn't been seen or heard of, and still hasn't signed a contract.

I'd deduce that we really want him to stay, perhaps on a 2 year contract, and that he wants 4-5.

Brad may really be enjoying Melbourne life again too, old mates and all that. Could be influential in the decision making of a Melbourne club comes knocking. I could see Carlton needing an accumulator, or North. Gold Coast? He's a good leader I understand.

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Yes, it's not like he's had a whole bunch of injury setbacks to take up his time and energy this year.

 

[Crowtel]

Yeah got that acronym .....but that's not JAG ?

 

[TryAnHit]

Not for me, I’d keep both picks and try next year when both are uncontracted

They still gonna cost 2022 1st next year for 1

 

[WeedsMullet84]

From the mouth of a current AFC players dad whom I’ve gotten good mail from before
“Both Rankine and Lukosious have made it known to AFC, they are keen to get back to SA”

GC are a rabble , Dew has lost some of the players to the point he’s a mockery with his obesity when getting stuck into players about effort
Many senior coaches his age are still in shape

Can't say i believe it will happen but it would be nice!

One thing i do believe is that we do have SOME trades for players in the works, from what we said during the MSD about leaving space open for 'list flexibility'

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Can’t see GC letting either go easily, I think we’re more likely to see Dew turfed and the AFL assist in installing a Paul Roos or Ross Lyon to right the ship, plus perhaps with Voss as senior assistant/heir apparent. Then hold both Luko/Rankine to their contracts and hope the new regime could convince them to stay.

The trouble with both Rankine and Luko is making a reasonable deal. They’re both at an awkward point in their value, neither have shown enough to increase their value, Rankines shown his elite talent in patches, but also shown his inconsistencies. Lukosious has been good, but not outstanding to any extent, playing the relatively easy 3rd tall role. Their worth to the GC at present is likely far greater than what any club will be willing to give up:

The trouble is neither satisfies our biggest need of elite midfielders, which are likely available this draft. If GC are interested in Crouch, it may be that we agree not to contest an RFA offer in exchange for Lukoscious —> 2022 1st and one of our 2021 2nds, with the inevitable even ups.

I can’t see GC letting either go though whilst contracted.

My concern also.

It's just littered with problems. I get what Mutineer and others are saying about grabbing them a year before their contract ends, but GC may see value in trading them this year. Imagine what sort of value they'd have if they were held to their contracts until the end of next year and there's minimal improvement from them, and the club knew they'd wanted out the previous year? The worst thing a club can do is keep players who don't want to be there. If they both have similar years then you'd imagine Lukosius is worth a pick in the 20's as a 3rd defender, and Rankine worse. Not Free Agents, of course, but if GC finish lower than the Crows next year they won't have the luxury of the PSD to hold BOTH of them to account.

Personally i think the biggest obstacle would be the AFL if any of King, Luko or Rankine start asking to leave.

Maybe Lukosius wants to be given another opportunity up forward?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Do people think we'll go local with our first pick?

 

[Vader]

Do people think we'll go local with our first pick?

Depends on what our first pick is. People here seem to want us to trade for Rankine or Lukosius - I can't see GC letting either of them go if our 1st round pick isn't involved...

 

[DaKids]

I think Rankine had Lukosius are excellent young players who will carve out fine careers BUT I do question whether they are developing into foundation players (or franchise players as the yanks say).

Currently the crows are needing to stick with the draft and using those high picks to get midfield foundation players, players you will build a side around. As an example I see Thilthorpe as a foundation player well worthy of pick 2 that was spent on him. You can build a side around him.

Lukosius was drafted as a key forward to build a side around but has developed differently. He’s very classy but more a tall wing/half back. Also I’m not sure Rankine can develop into the, Ill put this side on my back and take them with me, type midfielder youneed a pick 3 to be.

I would be very guarded about losing this and next years 1st round pick to be used on creating a heartbeat engine room on the type of player you might trade for once the heart of your team is settled.

They would be lovely to pick up as free agents in a few years time - but I wouldn’t be spending high on them right now.

 

[Mutineer]

Do people think we'll go local with our first pick?

Hard to say now Roberts is doubtful to play again this year and also with the doubts on the Nationals having already been postponed and possibly not going ahead at all, personally I don't think Draper has done enough to be in that pick zone, just doesn't accumulate enough ball at this point and he's also out for an extended period. Hard to see any other SA lads elevating to quite the level where our pick sits with players like Ben Hobbs, Finn Callaghan etc showing they're right in the discussion now. Not that I ever had any doubts GWV Rebel Ben Hobbs only needed to get back on the field to show everyone what he's got.

 

[hey shorty]

Do people think we'll go local with our first pick?

Possibly.

With injuries to Roberts and Draper its probably less likely than it was before though.

 

[hey shorty]

Hard to say now Roberts is doubtful to play again this year and also with the doubts on the Nationals having already been postponed and possibly not going ahead at all, personally I don't think Draper has done enough to be in that pick zone, just doesn't accumulate enough ball at this point and he's also out for an extended period. Hard to see any other SA lads elevating to quite the level where our pick sits with players like Ben Hobbs, Finn Callaghan etc showing they're right in the discussion now. Not that I ever had any doubts GWV Rebel Ben Hobbs only needed to get back on the field to show everyone what he's got.

He's averaging well over 20 touches per game ??

 

[DaKids]

Agree with others that the only likely 1st pick from SA is Matt Roberts. We will miss Horne and Draper is not quite there for 1st but will be gone by 2nd.

Our 2nd pick and the Melb 2nd pick could very well land any of Murley, Rayson, Ferres, Jackson, or possibly even Linke. None of that allows for possible trades of course - trading up to get Draper as an example.

 

[DaKids]

He's averaging well over 20 touches per game ??

Arlo had of course always been 2nd or 3rd fiddle behind Horne and Roberts, so possession numbers a bit down. Assessing was always about potential.

Once Horne left the side and Roberts also left, Arlo started realising the potential and stepped up to lead the South U18 midfield- posted some very big possession numbers. Even high teens at reserves level. Terrible shame about the injury - if he’d continued on that trajectory could have easily pushed deeper into top 10 I think.

 

[DaKids]

In that last game before injury Arlo had 31 touches with 10 clearances and 7 x inside 50.

 

[Betts are off]

I think Rankine had Lukosius are excellent young players who will carve out fine careers BUT I do question whether they are developing into foundation players (or franchise players as the yanks say).

Currently the crows are needing to stick with the draft and using those high picks to get midfield foundation players, players you will build a side around. As an example I see Thilthorpe as a foundation player well worthy of pick 2 that was spent on him. You can build a side around him.

Lukosius was drafted as a key forward to build a side around but has developed differently. He’s very classy but more a tall wing/half back. Also I’m not sure Rankine can develop into the, Ill put this side on my back and take them with me, type midfielder youneed a pick 3 to be.

If Lukosius was to come to the Crows, would you necessarily keep him as a HBF/wing, or would you swing him forward (to the position that he was drafted at #2 in a Superdraft to play).

Personally I don't think he needs to play HBF in the future, he was trialed there as a rookie and has performed well. But TBH I'm more curious to see how he looked if he went forward again. Maybe he is a foundation piece who's been stuck in a non-foundation role at a terrible club.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Ok, PlayStation trade time.

If GCS end up with pick 1, and we have pick 4. Why not try to trade pick 4 and our 2022 1st to GCS for pick 1 and pick 22 (noting GCS already have pick 19 anyway).

This then gives us picks 22, 24 and 37 to trade with WB to give them points for Darcy. We could potentially get pick 17 plus WB 2nd rounder in 2022.

We go to the draft to take Horne and pick 17. We have no 1st next year but an additional 2nd rounder.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Those injuries might help us with the SA kids

I remember speaking to a club recruiter (not a head guy, just in the network) and he said their role is to compare players more so than identify players.

That's why they like things such as the draft combine and U18 championships where all players are together in the same conditions, able to be measured against each other directly rather than trying to work out whether a WAFL U18 game performance stacks up against a Vic College performance

Covid creates an element of unknown already. If you also add less exposed form due to injury then clubs might be less likely to add a further unknown (crossing state lines) into the mix.

 

[Crow till I die]

If Lukosius was to come to the Crows, would you necessarily keep him as a HBF/wing, or would you swing him forward (to the position that he was drafted at #2 in a Superdraft to play).

Personally I don't think he needs to play HBF in the future, he was trialed there as a rookie and has performed well. But TBH I'm more curious to see how he looked if he went forward again. Maybe he is a foundation piece who's been stuck in a non-foundation role at a terrible club.

Well absolutely. Play him as a roaming CHF with Thilthorpe inside forward 50 and Fogarty leading from a pocket

 

[Mego Red]

Ok, PlayStation trade time.

If GCS end up with pick 1, and we have pick 4. Why not try to trade pick 4 and our 2022 1st to GCS for pick 1 and pick 22 (noting GCS already have pick 19 anyway).

This then gives us picks 22, 24 and 37 to trade with WB to give them points for Darcy. We could potentially get pick 17 plus WB 2nd rounder in 2022.

We go to the draft to take Horne and pick 17. We have no 1st next year but an additional 2nd rounder.

Good post.

That second rounder next year is pretty late, but it's really worth considering. I think it also keeps us in the mix for Rankine/Luko - we just put the 2023 pick on the table.

 

[DaKids]

If Lukosius was to come to the Crows, would you necessarily keep him as a HBF/wing, or would you swing him forward (to the position that he was drafted at #2 in a Superdraft to play).

Personally I don't think he needs to play HBF in the future, he was trialed there as a rookie and has performed well. But TBH I'm more curious to see how he looked if he went forward again. Maybe he is a foundation piece who's been stuck in a non-foundation role at a terrible club.

I think the crows have their foundation key forward right now. What thry desperately need is 1 or 2 midfielders to carry it forward. When I say foundation midfielder I’m talking players like Martin, Bontempelli, Petracca/Oliver, young men who take the club and players with them.

I genuinely believe Thilthorpe is that type of lad - just need 2 more like him that are midfielders.