List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

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[Danger in Texas]

Look, in a vacuum, I’d be moving on Laird and keeping Matt and Keays as our two contested midfielders going forward. Move Sloane to a forward flank. Matt as the pure inside ball winner, and Keays as the secondary ball winner that is more aggressive with his ball use (hence his high I50 count)

Problem is that we’ve already committed to Laird, and I think it’s pretty clear we are better off with only two pure contested ball winners in the middle - obviously due to midfield balance, and especially if we want to look to further develop the games of Schoenberg, Berry, Pedlar and any other draftees

The counter argument is that we won’t get fair value for Matt due to his FA status (deserving of more than an end of 1st round pick IMO), so you are then forced to figure out how to fit all four in our side. Particularly as I get the feeling we won’t send Laird back to defence

 

[jackster83]

The only positive I took away from that game was that I thought it was the best I had ever seen Sauce play. These ratings are consistent with that.

I seem to remember Kelly being better than a 4/10 on that day. Was one of the few who didn't shit the bed.

 

[Murray2503]

I think that we are seeing things from a similar angle - I just rate Brad when he is in form higher than Matt - but Matt is also a good player and if it is the difference letting him go for a speculative pick or retaining him at 5 years on between $500-$600K, at his age and with what he can do, I'd rather keep him. If we got band 1 (not going to happen), then sure, another 1st rounder would be reasonable recompense

Ultimately will come down to the medical report. The fact we are telling others club that Matt is on the market means we have some doubt his body will stand up. A club with a better list than ours would be more willing to take a risk on a long term deal. Matt won't be part of our next flag so I would prefer us to take Horne or go after a player such as Jacob Hopper for our first pick this year or our future first. Hopper is two years younger than Matt and a much better midfielder. He won't be staying at gws so I hope we are targetting him with the Nicks GWS connection. I would prefer to use our future first on Hopper which is probably around pick 5 or 6 and use this year's first on Horne. Horne and Hopper would be game changing for our midfield.

 

[Brett Cummings]

Ultimately will come down to the medical report. The fact we are telling others clubs that Matt is on the market means we have some doubt his body will stand up. A club with a better list than ours would be more willing to take a risk on a long term deal. Matt won't be part of our next flag so I would prefer us to take Horne or go after a player such as Jacob Hopper with our first pick or a future first.

We'd be mad if we didn't put matt and pick 2 (if we finish 17th) on the table for pick 1. You just have to ask the question.

 

[Mutineer]

We'd be mad if we didn't put matt and pick 2 (if we finish 17th) on the table for pick 1. You just have to ask the question.

Matt is an uncontracted RFA come season end why can't people get this?

 

[Brett Cummings]

Matt is an RFA why can't people get this?

You can still trade him. He's not an unrestricted free agent.

Dangerfield was also traded.

 

[Mutineer]

You can still trade him. He's not an unrestricted free agent.

What club is going to trade for him when they can get him for nothing other than cap space?

 

[Brett Cummings]

What club is going to trade for him when they can get him for nothing other than cap space?

Yeah you can do that but you won't be on good terms for future negotiations

 

[Dockzy]

You can still trade him. He's not an unrestricted free agent.

Dangerfield was also traded.

Yeah but North wouldn’t do that they’d just keep pick 1 and target crouch as a free agent

 

[Gtowncrow]

Didn't GCS say they were looking at trading in some experience.
I'd trade all three of MC, DT and TL for their 1st round pick (currently pick 5).
If fit, those three guys might just offer the stability the Sun's have been missing. For us, two picks in the first five would be a massive step towards helping our mid field.
Do you think the Sun's would entertain this? Is it a good outcome for us? Thoughts...

 

[Brett Cummings]

Yeah but North wouldn’t do that they’d just keep pick 1 and target crouch as a free agent

Yeah and when north need help in future trades we'll tell them to go **** off.

 

[Murray2503]

We'd be mad if we didn't put matt and pick 2 (if we finish 17th) on the table for pick 1. You just have to ask the question.

I think there's a chance we could get Horne at pick 2. North need a key position forward so hopefully they take one at 1. We just need Hawthorn to finish above us if North don't take him. North also have winnable games against Carlton, Richmond at us so they may not end up with pick 1.

 

[Mutineer]

You can still trade him. He's not an unrestricted free agent.

Dangerfield was also traded.

Because on the coin the Cats were offering we were prepared to match.

Are we prepared to match for Matt?

I don't know, do you?

 

[Brett Cummings]

Because on the coin the Cats were offering we were prepared to match.

Are we prepared to match for Matt?

I don't know, do you?

Matt won't be offered anywhere near 800k a year and yes, this time I would match. Then if matt still wants to go then you have to trade.

 

[Mutineer]

I think there's a chance we could get Horne at pick 2. North need a key position forward so hopefully they take one at 1. We just need Hawthorn to finish above us.

Sam Darcy is the only key forward in this draft that any club would give up pick 1 for.

For pick 1 why would North do that when for that kind of collateral they could trade for an AFL level proven commodity.

At least give Noble some credit for being a stable thinking individual not a fool.

 

[Mutineer]

Matt won't be offered anywhere near 800k a year and yes, this time I would match. Then if matt still wants to go then you have to trade.

All well and good if Matt wants to go but the reality is there's never been any indication on his part that that is the case and he is a younger member of the leadership group.

My gut feel is he'll want to stay if the money is OK and the contract length offered is reasonable.

 

[70lethal]

The aim is to make the list stronger and personally getting rid of Matt doesn't do that unless one of the youngsters dramatically accelerates their improvement especially for a 2nd round pick.

The Dogs run Bont, Macrae, Liba, Smith, Treloar, Hunter, Dunkley then they still have Lipinski, Richards, Jong, Wallis, West who cant get a game even with injuries.

One of our problems has been running a shallow midfield for the past 10 years. Imagine having guns in their prime forced forward and back and lining up in the 2nds collecting 35 disposals.

Again the issue is the coaches using basic logic vs the type of players they are and if Sloane, Keays, Laird, Crouch cant fit in the same side then let the weakest links play in the 2nds and put pressure on everyone else.

We are 3-5 years away from getting close to a decent midfield

 

[70lethal]

Sam Darcy is the only key forward in this draft that any club would give up pick 1 for.

For pick 1 why would North do that when for that kind of collateral they could trade for an AFL level proven commodity.

At least give Noble some credit for being a stable thinking individual not a fool.

Have you seen an AFL proven commodity go to North?
That is a serious issue they have, they can't attract any player of significance even after they offer them massive $$

 

[Mutineer]

Have you seen an AFL proven commodity go to North?
That is a serious issue they have, they can't attract any player of significance even after they offer them massive $$

I think the David Noble factor will make a difference there personally, he has everything looking on the up to my eye.

 

[70lethal]

Matt won't be offered anywhere near 800k a year and yes, this time I would match. Then if matt still wants to go then you have to trade.

There is no scenario in this world that North trade for MCrouch.
They offer enough cash or Matt wont go. Simples
A club with heaps of cap space at the bottom of the ladder isn't going to waste draft picks when they don't have to.
They did signed Polec to $700,000 and Matt is better but Noble is a bit wiser than the previous regime

 

[70lethal]

I think the David Noble factor will make a difference there personally, he has everything looking on the up to my eye.

I would prefer to keep Crouch and unfortunately I can see Noble wanting him and prepared to pay and I get the feeling Matt would be happy to play under him if he had to and they have heaps of cap space.
He's got Ziebell and Cunnington both turning 31 next year and very little until 23-24 y.o.
They get Matt and take Horne and they're building a decent midfield with Powell, Phillips, LDU, Simpkin

 

[Brett Cummings]

I would prefer to keep Crouch and unfortunately I can see Noble wanting him and prepared to pay and I get the feeling Matt would be happy to play under him if he had to and they have heaps of cap space.
He's got Ziebell and Cunnington both turning 31 next year and very little until 23-24 y.o.
They get Matt and take Horne and they're building a decent midfield with Powell, Phillips, LDU, Simpkin

hope horne leaves after 2 years then. even if its to port. better than north getting what they want.

 

[Mutineer]

Horne named starting on the ball....

 

[cleanhands]

I would prefer to keep Crouch and unfortunately I can see Noble wanting him and prepared to pay and I get the feeling Matt would be happy to play under him if he had to and they have heaps of cap space.
He's got Ziebell and Cunnington both turning 31 next year and very little until 23-24 y.o.
They get Matt and take Horne and they're building a decent midfield with Powell, Phillips, LDU, Simpkin

Noble is a big fan of Matt

 

[Mutineer]

17 year old tall Harry Lemmey 197cm 93Kegs on League debut for the Blood 'N' Tars Sunday of interest.