List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[Mr Magic]

The above post was the one that stuck out to me. I'm not sure how anyone is coming to the decision that Andrew has a similar chance of making it to Biggie, the comment makes no sense (providing you think draft watchers have any idea).

An educated report would be any of the draft watchers from the draft board, the guys at draft central and the guys at afl.com. Basically people who have watched these guys play games as a junior. Not people just having a quick look at highlights and forming opinions from that.

Personally I think the AFL have to take some of the blame for all of this for dragging out the time till the draft so far.

I think a educated report term is a elitist stereo-type to be honest. Who is anyone to make judgements on that?

To be honest I think you made a presumption about 5557. What happened to innocent until proven guilty??

How do you know the poster was drawing similarities on the fact both players are above 195 cm which is skewed above the median for footy players? I would suggest both have leap abilities in the extreme range, and both are youngsters at the start of hopefully a successful AFL career.

While no one wishes to label players on the vision both at least look like players that can contribute in the ruck due to the vision and leaps they have rather than the fact they may happen to come from one particular race.'

You know why educated report BS gets thrown out the window?? Its a performance based industry. No matter where you come from you can make it if your good enough and apply yourself. Its like what Akermanis said on Fox when Mathews first rolled in and talked to them when he arrived at the Lions, Mathews said he will be there next year but I cannot guarantee all of you will still be here. I take that to mean mostly if you perform Mathews is indicating you will stick around if you want to

 

[Grrr]

It’s not racism per se but teetering on the edge of borderline racial profiling which in itself is a form racial discrimination.
I personally wouldn’t give two hoots on making an effort to help people educate themselves on an online forum. But in this instance its something that needs to be erased from the AFL thought processes and the fans minds. This sort of talk is becoming extinct and the quicker it is less of a conversation about race the better we will be as a footballing community. I genuinely hope that in this day and age we can genuinely compare draft prospects on there footballing attributes without have colour of skin or race being the starting point.

You make it sound like a negative. Sudanese people being good athletes as a generalisation, similar to most indigenous players, should be something they should be proud of. If people racial profile in a negative way, which has been going on for ever, and with Goodes you could say still does, I agree with you. I think ethnicity should be applauded not hidden away ala Hertier Lumumba. Should have been proud to carry that name not feel a need to disguise it, I hope those days are over.

 

[Mr Unbelievable]

FFS ... hurry up draft

 

[Sir_Loin]

FFS ... hurry up draft

K’noath. Last couple pages been absolute shite

 

[Grrr]

The above post was the one that stuck out to me. I'm not sure how anyone is coming to the decision that Andrew has a similar chance of making it to Biggie, the comment makes no sense (providing you think draft watchers have any idea).

An educated report would be any of the draft watchers from the draft board, the guys at draft central and the guys at afl.com. Basically people who have watched these guys play games as a junior. Not people just having a quick look at highlights and forming opinions from that.

Personally I think the AFL have to take some of the blame for all of this for dragging out the time till the draft so far.

I agree with you in regard to that type of racial profiling. Footy ability and chances of making have so many tangibles.

 

[Wrenny]

 

[Profop]

I think a educated report term is a elitist stereo-type to be honest. Who is anyone to make judgements on that?

To be honest I think you made a presumption about 5557. What happened to innocent until proven guilty??

How do you know the poster was drawing similarities on the fact both players are above 195 cm which is skewed above the median for footy players? I would suggest both have leap abilities in the extreme range, and both are youngsters at the start of hopefully a successful AFL career.

While no one wishes to label players on the vision both at least look like players that can contribute in the ruck due to the vision and leaps they have rather than the fact they may happen to come from one particular race

But there are far better comparisons out there (like Tim English). So if the decision you've made is that you don't want to take Andrew because you think he's going to end up just as good as Biggie then to me that's a racist take. Why is Biggie involved in the discussion at all? They don't play the same position and as young players have been rated on opposite ends of the spectrum of ability. There's countless players above 195cm you could use as a comparison.

If you're going to say you don't want to take Andrew because we don't need another ruck and it doesn't suit our list profile then that's a totally different thing and I have no issue with it at all.

As for an educated report you have to weigh the opinion of someone who watches all the games closely over your average Joe Bloggs right?

 

[Spanish_Fly]

It would quickly send Carlton broke …

The auction would use draft points acquired from finishing position, trades and compensation.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Am i the only one that feels like this ???

 

[Wrenny]

On the Lystics AFL Podcast episode they did an AFL Mock Draft for the 1st round:

#1. North - Jason Horne-Francis
#2. WB - Sam Darcy (Rich Bid)
#3. Coll - Daicos (Rich Bid)
#4. Rich - Finn Callaghan

We traded with GWS:
Rich give: #7,#15 & 2022 Rich 2nd Round
Rich receive: #2 and GWS 2022 3rd Round

We then tried to trade #2 and a pick in the #20s for Freos #6 & #8 but didn't go through.

#5. GC - Josh Gibcus
#6. Crows - Josh Rachele
#7. Hawks - Jye Amiss
#8. Freo - Neil Erasmus
#9. GWS - Mac Andrew

GWS get #10 & #20
Freo get #15 & #17 & #45

#10. GWS - Josh Sinn
#11. Saints - Ben Hobbs
#12. WC - Matthew Johnson
#13. Essendon - Josh Goater

Rich get #14 & #55
Port get #26 & #27

#14. Rich - Josh Ward
#15. Freo - Jacob Van Rooyen
#16. Bris - Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
#17. Freo - Tyler Sonsie
#18. Swans - Mitch Knevitt
#19. Melb - Arlo Draper
#20. Bris - Darcy Wilmot

You know what? I'm gonna quote my own post to get things back on topic. I'd actually be happy with the above.

Give 7, 15, 26, 27 & 2022 2nd
Get 2, 14, 55 & GWS 3rd Round

#2 - Callaghan
#14 - Ward
#28 - Howes
#55 - Pass
DFA - Schlensog

Keep a spot open and invite a few guys down to train with us like Freeman etc. We get 2 of the best Midfield prospects of this year. I understand that it's giving alot but we would obviously rate these 2 above the rest so are willing to trade up.

Still have our 1st, Norfs 2nd and GWS 3rd for next year.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Who wrote their ceiling or ability is similar because the colour of their skin?

I did.
I could go into my genetics argument and NBA etc, but I respect the other posters' points and can see their viewpoint, and mods want this thread back on topic.

 

[Mr Magic]

But there are far better comparisons out there (like Tim English). So if the decision you've made is that you don't want to take Andrew because you think he's going to end up just as good as Biggie then to me that's a racist take. Why is Biggie involved in the discussion at all? They don't play the same position and as young players have been rated on opposite ends of the spectrum of ability. There's countless players above 195cm you could use as a comparison.

If you're going to say you don't want to take Andrew because we don't need another ruck and it doesn't suit our list profile then that's a totally different thing and I have no issue with it at all.

As for an educated report you have to weigh the opinion of someone who watches all the games closely over your average Joe Bloggs right?

I never stated Andrew will end up like Biggy.

I stated we have Nank, Soldo, Ryan, Colina, as well as Biggy not to mention Balta as players that can play ruck. I am focussed on a RFC viewpoint because I support the club and players

Why are you so quick to label Biggy as playing in a specific position? Why would anyone want to limit the potential of any player especially prospects trying to find their way?

 

[Sir_Loin]

You know what? I'm gonna quote my own post to get things back on topic. I'd actually be happy with the above.

Give 7, 15, 26, 27 & 2022 2nd
Get 2, 14, 55 & GWS 3rd Round

#2 - Callaghan
#14 - Ward
#28 - Howes
#55 - Pass
DFA - Schlensog

Keep a spot open and invite a few guys down to train with us like Freeman etc. We get 2 of the best Midfield prospects of this year. I understand that it's giving alot but we would obviously rate these 2 above the rest so are willing to trade up.

Still have our 1st, Norfs 2nd and GWS 3rd for next year.

I’m intrigued by Freeman. If he does have his body right he could be the cream on the cake if we nail our picks.

Him fit and firing would be a great addition to the mids. Huge risk but worth a punt IMO.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

You know what? I'm gonna quote my own post to get things back on topic. I'd actually be happy with the above.

Give 7, 15, 26, 27 & 2022 2nd
Get 2, 14, 55 & GWS 3rd Round

#2 - Callaghan
#14 - Ward
#28 - Howes
#55 - Pass
DFA - Schlensog

Keep a spot open and invite a few guys down to train with us like Freeman etc. We get 2 of the best Midfield prospects of this year. I understand that it's giving alot but we would obviously rate these 2 above the rest so are willing to trade up.

Still have our 1st, Norfs 2nd and GWS 3rd for next year.

Looks good, but I think Ward and even Howes make it look better than it is. Ward unlikely there, but a good prospect will be, and Howes I have seen rated late teens early 20's.
We could get two decent players with those picks though, so don't mind it.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

He wasn't selected as a ruck is another. He was selected as a back and he might of pinch hit in the ruck for all of about 5 minutes.

OK. Why would the club on the website list him as a ruck then? Administrative error?

 

[tiger_tough]

You know what? I'm gonna quote my own post to get things back on topic. I'd actually be happy with the above.

Give 7, 15, 26, 27 & 2022 2nd
Get 2, 14, 55 & GWS 3rd Round

#2 - Callaghan
#14 - Ward
#28 - Howes
#55 - Pass
DFA - Schlensog

Keep a spot open and invite a few guys down to train with us like Freeman etc. We get 2 of the best Midfield prospects of this year. I understand that it's giving alot but we would obviously rate these 2 above the rest so are willing to trade up.

Still have our 1st, Norfs 2nd and GWS 3rd for next year.

If we were going to pick Schlensog as a DFA wouldn't we have done it by now? The final DFA window closes on Monday. He's either no where near as good as some are saying or he's not actually a DFA and has to enter the draft.

 

[Profop]

I never stated Andrew will end up like Biggy.

I stated we have Nank, Soldo, Ryan, Colina, as well as Biggy not to mention Balta as players that can play ruck. I am focussed on a RFC viewpoint because I support the club and players

Why are you so quick to label Biggy as playing in a specific position? Why would anyone want to limit the potential of any player especially prospects trying to find their way?

I wasn't talking about your post. The one I quoted saying Andrew and Biggie having the same ceiling wasn't made by you?

You can only compare the two players as juniors so while perhaps Biggie could transition into the ruck he didn't really play there as a junior and certainly hasn't been playing there regularly in the VFL.

Again why compare Andrew with a hypothetical ruck playing Biggie when there are better comparisons to be made? I think I've been pretty clear in my viewpoint and explained it pretty well.

Just finally I think comparing Andrew with Biggie is terms of junior ability/draftability can only be seen as being framed through a reference towards race.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Mac andrew Is the biggest risk in the draft

 

[Profop]

Mac andrew Is the biggest risk in the draft

Totally agree, I think it could be worth it though.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Totally agree, I think it could be worth it though.

He’s more likely to be out of the league in 5 years then become a star

 

[Mr Magic]

I wasn't talking about your post. The one I quoted saying Andrew and Biggie having the same ceiling wasn't made by you?

You can only compare the two players as juniors so while perhaps Biggie could transition into the ruck he didn't really play there as a junior and certainly hasn't been playing there regularly in the VFL.

Again why compare Andrew with a hypothetical ruck playing Biggie when there are better comparisons to be made? I think I've been pretty clear in my viewpoint and explained it pretty well.

Just finally I think comparing Andrew with Biggie is terms of junior ability/draftability can only be seen as being framed through a reference towards race.

"Just finally I think comparing Andrew with Biggie is terms of junior ability/draftability can only be seen as being framed through a reference towards race."

I think this last sentence is absurd and incredibly judgemental and arrogant. I view such perceptions as dangerous and toxic.

I am concerned about your apparent ego so I have put you on ignore to promote transparency, goodwill and harmony for all.

 

[Grrr]

Am i the only one that feels like this ???

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Well we could just talk about who we want at pick 7 or why don't we trade pick 7 and 15 for.... that has been going on for about two weeks around in diminishing circles. We might make it to draft day but I doubt it.

 

[Grrr]

Mac andrew Is the biggest risk in the draft

At pick 5 - 10 maybe, a later pick would worth a wager.

 

[bc27]

"Just finally I think comparing Andrew with Biggie is terms of junior ability/draftability can only be seen as being framed through a reference towards race."

I think this last sentence is absurd and incredibly judgemental and arrogant. I view such perceptions as dangerous and toxic.

I am concerned about your apparent ego so I have put you on ignore to promote transparency, goodwill and harmony for all.

Chuck me on your ignore list aswell pal. While your at it look up the word stereotype, might help with the goodwill lesson.

 

[Mr Magic]

Chuck me on your ignore list aswell pal. While your at it look up the word stereotype, might help with the goodwill lesson.

I have thought about putting you on ignore separately regarding other historical posts not worth previous mention I felt. Naturally this is not a notice rather context

Naturally I will not follow your advice.

Give me time, if your behaviour is consistent I will follow through with joy.

With time I have come to realise we are not in this together, despite ScoMo's political rhetoric. As such, the world is a vast dynamic and two ships passing in the night is not such a bad thing for the world to evolve and advance at times.