List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

fridgeman · May 29, 2021

Interesting to see how the club manages the mid season draft, a need is there for a tall defender but not sure if any suitable candidates are available that could step in and the club may think they can manage it with players coming back and the ability to play a forward back if needed
This is obviously if the club puts Keefe on the inactive list
They may have to take Josh Green as he is likely to be taken by aniother club if the Giants dont take him and the danger will be that a club with a pick before hand picks him up
The other option would be Peatling if they think he will benefit greatly from being on the list instead of a reserves top up player

GWS Goose · May 29, 2021

fridgeman said:
Interesting to see how the club manages the mid season draft, a need is there for a tall defender but not sure if any suitable candidates are available that could step in and the club may think they can manage it with players coming back and the ability to play a forward back if needed
This is obviously if the club puts Keefe on the inactive list
They may have to take Josh Green as he is likely to be taken by aniother club if the Giants dont take him and the danger will be that a club with a pick before hand picks him up
The other option would be Peatling if they think he will benefit greatly from being on the list instead of a reserves top up player

I'd be surprised if they picked either of those 2.
I reckon they'll go some 20 something experienced defender as a short term solution for a short term problem

Danny88 · May 29, 2021

I don’t think we will take anyone tbh

Giant Strides · May 29, 2021

Like Danny88, I expect we'll not take anyone - that suits our modus operandi from the past few years (thinking MSD, PSD). If we do, then I'd expect an experienced KPD to cover our short-term deficit, rather than guys in positions I don't think we need to cover (inside mid, small forward).

PMBangers · May 30, 2021

I still don't think Josh Green in an AFL standard player, even as a midfielder, I get the sentiment but I'd be disappointed if we picked him up over an actual need. Peatling do rate, but I really doubt any club is picking him up, if we wanted to pursue that, we could wait for the rookie draft at the end of the year.

dlanod · May 30, 2021

PMBangers said:
I still don't think Josh Green in an AFL standard player, even as a midfielder, I get the sentiment but I'd be disappointed if we picked him up over an actual need. Peatling do rate, but I really doubt any club is picking him up, if we wanted to pursue that, we could wait for the rookie draft at the end of the year.

I'll say this about the club's drafting - they don't generally let emotion win over practicalities. Macreadie was brought up to Kings (IIRC?) for a year, played with us, and then we didn't nominate him. Was it Peatling who would've been our first Sydney local (pre-Briggs) and we passed on him too? There was definitely someone we were hopeful for a few years back. If we don't think Josh is up to scratch, I'm comfortable that the club won't be picking him up.

PMBangers · May 30, 2021

dlanod said:
I'll say this about the club's drafting - they don't generally let emotion win over practicalities. Macreadie was brought up to Kings (IIRC?) for a year, played with us, and then we didn't nominate him. Was it Peatling who would've been our first Sydney local (pre-Briggs) and we passed on him too? There was definitely someone we were hopeful for a few years back. If we don't think Josh is up to scratch, I'm comfortable that the club won't be picking him up.

From memory Peatling was 2018 so the same year Briggs got picked up

fridgeman · May 30, 2021

A few options from Knightmares ESPN article and Angus Baker ex Swans Academy is the most mature and although not KPD height he could be a 3rd tall/intercepter
I would like the club to pick up a tall defender with the injury to Keefe meaning he is only back for the 2nd half of next year the club will need depth to cover and uncertainty over if that will be his last year and also how much longer Davis has left (If 2022 or 23 is his last year) the club needs to plan for that
This also raises the problem of making sure players are OK with moving to Sydney and with 2 of the 3 from WA this could mean those are not realistic options

Baker catches the attention of Bombers

Sydney Swans academy graduate Angus Baker is set to train with Essendon in the coming weeks in a bid to secure a spot on the Bombers' list.

www.theage.com.au

6. Angus Baker
Averaging over 30 disposals across half-back and featuring in Canberra's bests in 13 of his 17 games in 2019, Baker has converted his strong play from the NEAFL over to the VFL this year. This season for Essendon's VFL side, Baker is averaging 24 disposals per game through three outings. Baker is an excellent interceptor and rebounder from defence who is a plug-and-play piece who can slot straight into an AFL defence as arguably the best mature age defender outside the AFL.

7. Jack Avery
Averaging a competition-highs of 34 disposals and eight marks through his first four WAFL Colts games, Avery has been the star of the competition and has taken the next step after a strong 2020 season. A 190cm defender, Avery is ready to take the next step and is the most advanced defender his age heading into this year's mid-season draft. Avery is an elite intercept mark, wins one-on-one contests and generates most of his drive from defence by foot.

draftcentral.com.au

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8. Blake Schlensog
Formerly Geelong listed as a Next-Generation Academy player and Category B rookie, Schlensog was arguably let go too soon. Developing rapidly not only in his time with Geelong, Schlensog has taken meaningful strides in the WAFL this year. Averaging 19 disposals and eight marks per game so far, the 199 centimetre Schlensog is a competitive key defender who not only beats his direct opponent, uses the ball cleanly, displays good mobility but also reads the game well and intercepts to a high level. Outside the AFL, Schlensog may be the best key defender, and with his rate of improvement and well-rounded game, he is hard to go past for a club in need of someone who can contribute now, but also provide a long-term option.

dlanod · May 30, 2021

PMBangers said:
From memory Peatling was 2018 so the same year Briggs got picked up

That's why I wasn't sure it was Peatling - I had a feeling he was a touch too young.

Someone came out of the Hills as a potential rookie prospect and on here we were pretty keen for the romance, but whoever it was went completely undrafted.

Giant Strides · May 30, 2021

I guess we have 4 options:

draft no-one, believing that we'll get troops back for the second half of the year (the risk being more injuries with Keeffe gone for the year and Sam Taylor for 8 weeks)
draft an experienced ex-AFL player to be able to plug & play (e.g. Harrison Macreadie, Logan Austin, High Goddard) ... but there ware reasons why they were let go; however, to plug a possible hole for 6 months might be OK
draft an experienced VFL/SANFL/WAFL player in the vein of Josh Corbett or Shane McAdam; again just a 6-month gig (Angus Baker could fit here although as a third tall I think he's not what we need; maybe Daniel Fahey-Sparks)
draft someone who's only 19 or 20, with a view to their upside - if we consider cutting Buntine at year's end, we've got a free 6 month trial or initial development period (e.g. Blake Schlensog in WAFL, Dyson Hilder in SANFL, Charlie Dean from VFL).

There are pros & cons with each of those options. I suspect we take no-one as that seems to fit our thinking, although I note that GWS does have one spot available on the list released by the AFL, which presumably stems from putting someone on the LTI list (presumably Keeffe), so maybe we are thinking of selecting someone this year.

Personally, I'd look at the fact that Davis & Keeffe have limited years left, Taylor is great and Buckley seems to have a future; but Buntine's time has run out and Stein is more of a cheap backup with limited capacity at AFL level; Idun is not really a tall ... so I'd be happy to select someone with a view to what is essentially a 6-month trial. Blake Schlensog is a name that's popped up - ex-Geelong now doing well in WAFL, so has some experience but definitely some upside; or Daniel Fahey-Sparks from SANFL.

fridgeman · May 30, 2021

Logan Austin is another name that is on the list of players nominated

And with the injury to Preuss it does mean 2 players are out for the season but unlikley that the club picks up 2 players

PMBangers · May 31, 2021

If we're happy to wait for a kid to develop into something as a KPD I'd be looking at Jack Briskey from th ed Lions, trained with Collingwood over the pre-season and has some ridiculous athleticism for his height, but he's slim and raw so itd be a 3-4 year project. Schlensog is the other young KPD that's drawing attention, although I haven't seen him play this year so don't know whether there's a bit if stat padding or if he's genuinely elite at WAFL level

Giant Strides · May 31, 2021

Giants have pick 8 in the MSD. There's a few ''likely'' selections in the press for various teams - sometimes you wonder if the ''leaks'' are meant to mislead, but conversely, a lot of the time they're right on the money. Big men, especially rucks, seem high on the MSD agenda:

1 - Norths: Jacob Edwards
2 - Hawks: Ned Moyle or Jai Newcombe
3 - Collingwood: Jackson Callow
4 - Adelaide: ?
5 - Gold Coast: Ned Moyle if he's there, if not then a tall or ruck ?
6 - Carlton: Alex Mirov
7 - St Kilda: ?
8 - Giants: ?

GWS Goose · May 31, 2021

I hope we go best available ready to go tall defender.
By reports that is probably the ex Geelong kid playing in the WAFL Schslong or similar. But if the team prefer someone else in that role, pick them.

Orange crush · May 31, 2021

Schlong sounds about right

Giant Strides · May 31, 2021

Orange crush said:
Schlong sounds about right

Sounds like he'd be a HUGE pickup!

captainMyCaptain · May 31, 2021

Perhaps were not looking at a tall

The Crows have also been linked to Oliver Davis, who has joined their SANFL team in recent weeks, and running small defender Patrick Parnell, who is also on the radar of Greater Western Sydney.

Late interest in ex-AFL duo ahead of mid-season draft

AFL clubs are firming up their NAB AFL Mid-Season Draft plans

www.afl.com.au

Giant Strides · May 31, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:
Perhaps were not looking at a tall

Late interest in ex-AFL duo ahead of mid-season draft

AFL clubs are firming up their NAB AFL Mid-Season Draft plans

www.afl.com.au

Hmm, I saw that. I just don't understand why we'd want a small running defender when we have Ash, Cumming, Perryman, Kennedy, Wehr in reserve, Shaw as a Cat B rookie, and Fahey to come in the National Draft. It seems the one role (well, apart from inside mid) where we are well stocked and not really debilitated by injuries.

GWS Goose · May 31, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Hmm, I saw that. I just don't understand why we'd want a small running defender when we have Ash, Cumming, Perryman, Kennedy, Wehr in reserve, Shaw as a Cat B rookie, and Fahey to come in the National Draft. It seems the one role (well, apart from inside mid) where we are well stocked and not really debilitated by injuries.

exactly.
Whitfield was all Australian in that role and Angwin would probably be well suited to it as well.

J Kelly would probably kill it off half back as well.

We're good there.

Giant Strides · May 31, 2021

GWS Goose said:
exactly.
Whitfield was all Australian in that role and Angwin would probably be well suited to it as well.

J Kelly would probably kill it off half back as well.

We're good there.

Yeah, forgot about Angwin too. I've learned not to discount media reports - some turn out to be wrong, but they get a lot right. I just don't see why we'd be looking that way ... when I'd perceive we have bigger and more immediate needs.

PMBangers · May 31, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Yeah, forgot about Angwin too. I've learned not to discount media reports - some turn out to be wrong, but they get a lot right. I just don't see why we'd be looking that way ... when I'd perceive we have bigger and more immediate needs.

Parnell did play for our VFL against against Richmond which gave me the impression we had some level of interest, but as you've said on the stocks we have + Fahey coming in the national it's not one I'd go with, especially not in the MSD. It's interesting, I saw him the first game this year against Bendigo and was impressed, but I don't think his style is going to translate super well

Giant Strides · May 31, 2021

PMBangers said:
Parnell did play for our VFL against against Richmond which gave me the impression we had some level of interest, but as you've said on the stocks we have + Fahey coming in the national it's not one I'd go with, especially not in the MSD. It's interesting, I saw him the first game this year against Bendigo and was impressed, but I don't think his style is going to translate super well

Curiouser & curiouser.

fridgeman · Jun 1, 2021

I would be 50/50 as to if the club picks someone up and I will say as it is a big investment $50k salary for the time on the list and then $10 k to the club they are from I think it would be someone they want on the list going forward and with the need for another tall defender at the end of the year they could bring that forward if the right option is available and why I would think Schschlong is an option as I don’t think they would play this year but he could be an option next year unless they view riccardi as a long term option for a defender and that could mean sproule stays on the list for next year as that back up Kpf

PMBangers · Jun 2, 2021

You just get the feeling we're not going to draft a need if we do take a pick tonight, can't wait to be disappointed with Josh Green or Patrick Parnell!

GWS Goose · Jun 2, 2021

PMBangers said:
You just get the feeling we're not going to draft a need if we do take a pick tonight, can't wait to be disappointed with Josh Green or Patrick Parnell!

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