List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
www.bigfooty.com www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Giant Pete said:
Shouldn’t we be looking to trade for mature talent… we can afford to not hit the draft for a year or two.
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As General Giant said we need a promising young KPD, but also what mature aged talent would come up to use that'd be worth trading in? We don't have much salary cap space if all reports are to be believed and it's not like we're in the window for a premiership currently unless something clicks
 
PMBangers said:
As General Giant said we need a promising young KPD, but also what mature aged talent would come up to use that'd be worth trading in? We don't have much salary cap space if all reports are to be believed and it's not like we're in the window for a premiership currently unless something clicks
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If we draft more young players… we will miss the eight for the next couple of years at least. We won’t retain players if they aren’t playing finals.
 

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Giant Pete said:
If we draft more young players… we will miss the eight for the next couple of years at least. We won’t retain players if they aren’t playing finals.
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Doesn't really address the issue though does it, with where the caps at and the fact we're not an attractive prospect currently, do you think we could get anyone worthwhile nominating us? We need guys that fit our age profile, no point pulling in guys that are 28+
 
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'I thought I'd be no hope': Hot Academy prospect's Giant return

After a two-game stint for Gold Coast's Academy in 2020, Josh Fahey feared his future as a Giant was under threat
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"The Giants have been where I grew up and I learnt everything about footy from them. I wouldn't be the player that I am today without them," Fahey said.
 
The only way the season can be a step forward is if the club gets the key signatures on contracts from Kelly and Hopper, if this doesnt happen it will be seen as a further weakening of the club and the steps forward made by the likes of Ash, Cumming, Idun, Flynn and others will not be enough to cover the loss of either of those 2
 
fridgeman said:
The only way the season can be a step forward is if the club gets the key signatures on contracts from Kelly and Hopper, if this doesnt happen it will be seen as a further weakening of the club and the steps forward made by the likes of Ash, Cumming, Idun, Flynn and others will not be enough to cover the loss of either of those 2
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Will salary cap pressure allow for both to be signed? There are plenty of big long-term contracts already.
If Williams got $800k+, what sort of deals might Hopper be considering?
 

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GWS Goose said:
I reckon we keep them both
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I wouldn't be shocked if Hopper goes.... the stats he has put up this year are elite and he should probably expect to be paid as such. He is tracking with better numbers than big stars of the game

I just can't make up my mind on where i sit with this list management strategy. On one hand... if established players keep walking out on the club we lack credibility... but on the other hand we just keep paying up the big bucks for players to ensure they do stay. We overpay.

Part of it is that we cannot offer the same commercial opportunities and exposure to players here in sydney. I know that is offest with less noteriety meaning they can live more normal lives. We just haven't got the balance right yet have we? I mean the big money contracts mean that we have to take a punt on who will be the right player... did we make the right calls?
 
Danny88 said:
I wouldn't be shocked if Hopper goes.... the stats he has put up this year are elite and he should probably expect to be paid as such. He is tracking with better numbers than big stars of the game

I just can't make up my mind on where i sit with this list management strategy. On one hand... if established players keep walking out on the club we lack credibility... but on the other hand we just keep paying up the big bucks for players to ensure they do stay. We overpay.

Part of it is that we cannot offer the same commercial opportunities and exposure to players here in sydney. I know that is offest with less noteriety meaning they can live more normal lives. We just haven't got the balance right yet have we? I mean the big money contracts mean that we have to take a punt on who will be the right player... did we make the right calls?
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Are we overpaying though?

Early in the piece we paid overs with the immediate 2 year extensions, and guys like Scully and Jezza got massive deals, but that seems to have leveled out.

The good players get good deals, but that is everywhere.

Cogs, Whitfield and Toby all on good money, but could have got more elsewhere. Cogs allegedly left $2.8mil on the table. Jezza went for more than we offered him, Corr and Zac Williams both got god father deals, Caldwell's deal was insane for what he has done so far. We didnt get suckered into overs on any of them. We would have matched for Cameron, but didnt offer him the moon in the first place.
 
We have too many stoppage specialist mids.
Ward, Hopper, Green, Coniglio, Taranto, DeBoer. I would argue that’s how Stone and Bruhn are tracking as well.
Most teams have about 3.
Part of the problem is not enough are damaging by foot.
 
Giant Pete said:
We have too many stoppage specialist mids.
Ward, Hopper, Green, Coniglio, Taranto, DeBoer. I would argue that’s how Stone and Bruhn are tracking as well.
Most teams have about 3.
Part of the problem is not enough are damaging by foot.
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Nor cover the ground particularly well
 
I think that he issue is much simpler than all of that.
The make up of our side is a couple more guns taking up cap, much more young players on the list on the squad (mostly because of above) which is fine normally.
But it means when you have injuries, too many young players, and we've had a horrible run of injuries.
 
GWS Goose said:
Are we overpaying though?

Early in the piece we paid overs with the immediate 2 year extensions, and guys like Scully and Jezza got massive deals, but that seems to have leveled out.

The good players get good deals, but that is everywhere.

Cogs, Whitfield and Toby all on good money, but could have got more elsewhere. Cogs allegedly left $2.8mil on the table. Jezza went for more than we offered him, Corr and Zac Williams both got god father deals, Caldwell's deal was insane for what he has done so far. We didnt get suckered into overs on any of them. We would have matched for Cameron, but didnt offer him the moon in the first place.
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Well I look at other lists and cant find too many players on close to a mil a year... there are one or two but hardly a handful like we have.

Two weeks ago on footy phil he discussed this idea... he admits the giants overpay to keep players in sydney and advocates COLA being reinstated
 
Danny88 said:
Well I look at other lists and cant find too many players on close to a mil a year... there are one or two but hardly a handful like we have.

Two weeks ago on footy phil he discussed this idea... he admits the giants overpay to keep players in sydney and advocates COLA being reinstated
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Our younger players yes, we seem to have a habit of this.

But the issue is a lot of other clubs seem to go after 1 of our players with a big contract, we have to get kinda close and then we have a few on that 800 to 900k range.
So all our big players have signed for less than what was on offer but it’s still a few players on good coin.
 
General Giant said:
Our younger players yes, we seem to have a habit of this.

But the issue is a lot of other clubs seem to go after 1 of our players with a big contract, we have to get kinda close and then we have a few on that 800 to 900k range.
So all our big players have signed for less than what was on offer but it’s still a few players on good coin.
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I suppose my point is the number of player we have on that coin
 
Danny88 said:
I suppose my point is the number of player we have on that coin
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We have 4 on the big deals, and Toby and Whitfield are probably at the bottom end of what you'd expect for players of that level.
Cogs and Kelly at the top end but both could have got more elsewhere.
 
GWS Goose said:
We have 4 on the big deals, and Toby and Whitfield are probably at the bottom end of what you'd expect for players of that level.
Cogs and Kelly at the top end but both could have got more elsewhere.
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Where would TT sit on that list? what about hopper? What’s his new deal worth?
 
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