List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

GWS Goose · Sep 22, 2021

Glek said:
You have way better handle on this than me ... what do you think of draft night if we walked away with

1/ Callaghan
2/ Gibcus or MacAndrew
3/ Fahey ( maybe matching GC at 19)

Trying to bring our 1st next year into this year somehow.

That would be an outstanding draft!

PMBangers · Sep 22, 2021

Glek said:
You have way better handle on this than me ... what do you think of draft night if we walked away with

1/ Callaghan
2/ Gibcus or MacAndrew
3/ Fahey ( maybe matching GC at 19)

Trying to bring our 1st next year into this year somehow.

I'm strongly against trading our first rounder from next year forward personally, but if the recruiters feel thats the right move then it'd be great if we landed Gibcus, Andrew or Amiss with it

Glek · Sep 22, 2021

GWS Goose said:
That would be an outstanding draft!

GC - 3 + GWS - 13 + 1st 2022

Glek · Sep 22, 2021

PMBangers said:
I'm strongly against trading our first rounder from next year forward personally, but if the recruiters feel thats the right move then it'd be great if we landed Gibcus, Andrew or Amiss with it

Ok - just sometimes when their is pressure on the coach/club get next years pick into this year and back the coach. Maybe a "bit" of internal politics but the right players in the long-term.

PMBangers · Sep 22, 2021

Glek said:
Ok - just sometimes when their is pressure on the coach/club get next years pick into this year and back the coach. Maybe a "bit" of internal politics but the right players in the long-term.

I don't think there's that much pressure on Leon internally tbh, to get us into the finals this year with the circumstances and injuries is impressive, I've always said (even when I wasn't a massive Leon fan) that if we got a couple of stronger Assistants around him it'd be more beneficial than sacking him. Even if there was, none of the KPP's this year, bar maybe 2 or 3 mature aged options will make a significant impact next season, if we trade in for them it'll be because we project them to be elite rather than to make an immediate impact

Hendo_21 · Sep 22, 2021

PMBangers said:
I don't think there's that much pressure on Leon internally tbh, to get us into the finals this year with the circumstances and injuries is impressive, I've always said (even when I wasn't a massive Leon fan) that if we got a couple of stronger Assistants around him it'd be more beneficial than sacking him. Even if there was, none of the KPP's this year, bar maybe 2 or 3 mature aged options will make a significant impact next season, if we trade in for them it'll be because we project them to be elite rather than to make an immediate impact

I never thought there was a tremendous amount of pressure on Leon, even after 2020 I never thought it was at the point where it was "make the finals or your're out" and with all the wide spread credit Leon's been given this year I don't think he's in any danger of being sacked barring a complete disaster next year whether people like it or not. More senior assistants are always a good idea no matter the coach, Leon and the rest of the front office can probably look at this draft through a fairly long term lense and not have to worry about instant high impact rookies this season.

captainMyCaptain · Sep 22, 2021

GWS Goose · Sep 22, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:

He was coming off injury
Massivly over blown at the moment.

fridgeman · Sep 22, 2021

SOS just sounds like he has an axe to grind against his last 2 employers

Coniglio does need a good run with injury and he will get back into form

fridgeman · Sep 22, 2021

If TOJ is set on a move to Adelaide the crows could be an option with a straight swap for Elliot H to link up the brothers

200cm 98 kgs 23 years old 27 games

Primarily played forward but if the coaches see it in him he could be turned into a tall defender, next season developing into the position and then Keefe and Davis gone he could play on the +200cm tall forwards
Should be cheap salary wise also but again both clubs and both players involved need to agree

Danny88 · Sep 22, 2021

fridgeman said:
SOS just sounds like he has an axe to grind against his last 2 employers

Coniglio does need a good run with injury and he will get back into form

I don’t think what he is saying is malicious

I doubt we trade cogs… but what he is saying has merit

We can’t have that much money tied up in a player playing half forward. Now if he moves back into the mids next year all good

Orange Agent · Sep 22, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:

Wasted is the word I use to describe SOS's 1st round pick selections. Then there is other words to describe his trades as Carlton list manager, none of which avoid the swear filter.

Giant Strides · Sep 22, 2021

If we do retain both Flynn & Riccardi - our last 2 unsigned main list players, just the rookie list players left unsigned - then we only have 3 spots available for the national draft, and 3 overall. Which would mean that we have to lose someone off the main list anyway; either ToJ leaves or we'd have to delist someone with a view to re-selecting them in the rookie draft. That could be what we'd do with Phil Davis, given the lack of clarity around signing an extension, but poor reward for a club legend and former captain.

fridgeman said:
If TOJ is set on a move to Adelaide the crows could be an option with a straight swap for Elliot H to link up the brothers

200cm 98 kgs 23 years old 27 games

Primarily played forward but if the coaches see it in him he could be turned into a tall defender, next season developing into the position and then Keefe and Davis gone he could play on the +200cm tall forwards
Should be cheap salary wise also but again both clubs and both players involved need to agree

ToJ is worth more based on production, but doubt that that translates into anything more than a straight swap given ToJ's personal circumstances. I had thought similar - Elliot, while taller & heavier, is less well performed, but I too would be interested whether he could be turned into a defender.

GWS Goose · Sep 22, 2021

Orange Agent said:
Wasted is the word I use to describe SOS's 1st round pick selections. Then there is other words to describe his trades as Carlton list manager, none of which avoid the swear filter.

I ve said many times he trades well.
Drafts very poorly.

Colonial · Sep 22, 2021

Cogs has been managed since his return.
Will be a very interesting offseason.
Hopefully he can concentrate on his footy.

Giant Pete · Sep 22, 2021

General Giant said:
Cogs has been managed since his return.
Will be a very interesting offseason.
Hopefully he can concentrate on his footy.

If the injuries mean he’s a lesser version of what he was… he will struggle to get a spot. Massive off-season for him.

Colonial · Sep 22, 2021

Giant Pete said:
If the injuries mean he’s a lesser version of what he was… he will struggle to get a spot. Massive off-season for him.

Yep. Hopefully finds his mojo. One of the best mids in the game when in form

fridgeman · Sep 22, 2021

To me it seems that 2022 is make or break for Coniglio in that he needs to get back to his best and it will be fierce competition for midfield spots with Hopper, Taranto, Kelly and Ward going into next season with good years behind them and Cogs starting from a long way back then Green almost with a starting spot for him
What I am saying is that Cogs need to force his way into the mids with pre season form on the track and in the pre-season games

Ward Taranto Kelly
Ruck Hopper Coniglio
HFF Green Bench Bruhn/other

Taranto may be HFF for some games if they feel he is a significant threat forward or Green with his marking could be looked at

Glek · Sep 22, 2021

fridgeman said:
To me it seems that 2022 is make or break for Coniglio in that he needs to get back to his best and it will be fierce competition for midfield spots with Hopper, Taranto, Kelly and Ward going into next season with good years behind them and Cogs starting from a long way back then Green almost with a starting spot for him
What I am saying is that Cogs need to force his way into the mids with pre season form on the track and in the pre-season games

Ward Taranto Kelly
Ruck Hopper Coniglio
HFF Green Bench Bruhn/other

Taranto may be HFF for some games if they feel he is a significant threat forward or Green with his marking could be looked at

With all due respect to many of our players - they need a huge preseason, work twice as hard as they have ever before. Its only going to benefit them, plus gives us a genuine chance to finish higher up the 8. If they cant or dont do it ... some BIG decisions need to be made next year. Only time will tell.

Maximus 2011 · Sep 22, 2021

PMBangers said:
I'm strongly against trading our first rounder from next year forward personally, but if the recruiters feel thats the right move then it'd be great if we landed Gibcus, Andrew or Amiss with it

Same here! I would much rather us trade our pick 13 this year to the draft next year

PMBangers · Sep 23, 2021

Young Pie signs, top-10 Blue waits, what will Swans get for George?

The latest trade news featuring Stef Martin, Sam Weideman, Matt Parker and more

www.afl.com.au

INTEREST BUILDS IN SUNS' PICK
RICHMOND and Adelaide are among the clubs interested in Gold Coast's pick No.3 with the Suns open to splitting the selection for multiple top picks.

The Suns inquired about trading up to pick No.1 with North Melbourne listening to offers, but the Roos are strongly tipped to hold the selection with South Adelaide teenager Jason Horne-Francis in their sights.

As reported in Inside Trading earlier this month, the Suns are open to trading their top-three pick for two early selections, which has seen the Tigers show interest. Richmond is well placed to make a move up the board with picks 7, 15, 26 and 28 inside the top 30.

The Tigers could package multiple selections to jump up the order, with future picks also an option at their disposal.

The Crows hold pick No.4 at the draft but that will be bumped back to No.6 after bids on father-son pair Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy and they have also shown interest in potentially edging up the board. Adelaide also holds pick 23 but will also be looking to negotiate a trade with Sydney for Jordan Dawson

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Finn Callaghan, Ben Hobbs and Josh Ward are all midfield options pressing to be top-six draft picks, while Josh Gibcus and Mac Andrew are the tall options in the mix outside of Darcy.

Any pick swap deal at the top end could come much closer to November's NAB AFL Draft, however, with clubs able to swap selections up until a week before the event – and then again during the draft. - Callum Twomey

Wanted to highlight this tidbit about clubs moving up for the Suns pick because I think it might be an opportunity for us to take advantage of a club moving up. Callaghan is the only clear prospect that clubs are moving up the order for, maybe Gibcus as well, but given Adelaide and Richmonds list I feel Callaghan is the most likely target, I could see a club moving into Pick 3 giving us a Future first as well as 3 for Pick 2 and a future 3rd to secure Callaghan in a similar way we did with TT

Hendo_21 · Sep 23, 2021

PMBangers said:
Young Pie signs, top-10 Blue waits, what will Swans get for George?

The latest trade news featuring Stef Martin, Sam Weideman, Matt Parker and more

www.afl.com.au

Wanted to highlight this tidbit about clubs moving up for the Suns pick because I think it might be an opportunity for us to take advantage of a club moving up. Callaghan is the only clear prospect that clubs are moving up the order for, maybe Gibcus as well, but given Adelaide and Richmonds list I feel Callaghan is the most likely target, I could see a club moving into Pick 3 giving us a Future first as well as 3 for Pick 2 and a future 3rd to secure Callaghan in a similar way we did with TT

I assume they're targeting the suns pick because we're not interested in trading our pick, there's no reason for a team to target pick 3 without having first checked if pick 2 is avaliable. Unless an overwhelming offer presents itself.

Orange crush · Sep 23, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
I assume they're targeting the suns pick because we're not interested in trading our pick, there's no reason for a team to target pick 3 without having first checked if pick 2 is avaliable

And perhaps we, as pmb suggests, said get us 3 and another top 10 and we can talk .... seems weird to be chasing 3 so hard with jhf and Callaghan likely gone

PMBangers · Sep 23, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
I assume they're targeting the suns pick because we're not interested in trading our pick, there's no reason for a team to target pick 3 without having first checked if pick 2 is avaliable. Unless an overwhelming offer presents itself.

Orange crush said:
And perhaps we, as pmb suggests, said get us 3 and another top 10 and we can talk .... seems weird to be chasing 3 so hard with jhf and Callaghan likely gone

Yeah that was more what I was getting at thanks Crush, I think there has to be something to this involving us, whether that is we're locked into taking Gibcus at Pick 2 or we've demanded a bit for Pick 2 with Crows and Tigers wanting Callaghan, I don't see any club moving up to 3 for a Ward/ Hobbs type

Orange crush · Sep 23, 2021

We could always trade pick 2 for hugh greenwood .... I’ve been reading that he is the best mid in the comp

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