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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
www.bigfooty.com www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Wanted to highlight this tidbit about clubs moving up for the Suns pick because I think it might be an opportunity for us to take advantage of a club moving up. Callaghan is the only clear prospect that clubs are moving up the order for, maybe Gibcus as well, but given Adelaide and Richmonds list I feel Callaghan is the most likely target, I could see a club moving into Pick 3 giving us a Future first as well as 3 for Pick 2 and a future 3rd to secure Callaghan in a similar way we did with TT
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Yeah no surprise Tigers are in there for GC pick - pretty sure we mentioned earlier in thread.
 
Hmm, interesting. Perhaps with our tight list, tight midfield spots, the ''unknown'' element of the Victorian draftees, perhaps a whiff of homesickness from Callaghan, we might consider trading down. But perhaps we want to trade down no lower than #3 to get a guy we do want (so, perhaps Gibcus, or Mac Andrew). Let Tigers or Adelaide trade to #3, then swap with them for a bonus. Tigers the more likely with their large draft haul able to do such a move.

If we had #3 plus a second rounder, could select Mac Andrew first, and a KPD (Bazzo, Alleer, Schlensog) with the second. However, a bid on Fahey is still problematic to that approach.
 

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Orange crush said:
think you might be using different criteria
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I‘m just remembering a time when Richmond wanted pick 1 or 2 or something ridiculous like that from us, thinking Robbie Nahas was a fair trade for it.

trading a pick like that for someone like that is a little on the stupid side.
 
Ok here is a controversial (possibly stupid) suggestion.

Himmelberg plus future 2nd to Suns for Pick 3

My rationale is that I don’t think Harry is working out in our forward line. He has some elite traits but to me he lacks consistency.

If we got Pick 3 we could get Callaghan and Gibcus which would net a top mid and the best key defender. With our next pick we possibly go for Amiss if available??

So who is our forward? Maybe Riccardi gets given a year to take that spot? Maybe we trade in Lobb who apparently is happy to take less money and might be partially subsidised? Maybe the kid from the Demons who’s not a game.

I really like the idea of making a play for that number 3 pick but Suns want a an established forward for it.

Just spitballing here so no hate please!
 
Andre the Giant said:
Ok here is a controversial (possibly stupid) suggestion.

Himmelberg plus future 2nd to Suns for Pick 3

My rationale is that I don’t think Harry is working out in our forward line. He has some elite traits but to me he lacks consistency.

If we got Pick 3 we could get Callaghan and Gibcus which would net a top mid and the best key defender. With our next pick we possibly go for Amiss if available??

So who is our forward? Maybe Riccardi gets given a year to take that spot? Maybe we trade in Lobb who apparently is happy to take less money and might be partially subsidised? Maybe the kid from the Demons who’s not a game.

I really like the idea of making a play for that number 3 pick but Suns want a an established forward for it.

Just spitballing here so no hate please!
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I wouldn't be trading out experienced players now, especially role players., think we have just got to a stage where we we have experienced depth role players .

I also think that the inconsistency of Himelberg is in his goal kicking.

He is very consistent in the little things. He works up the field all day, provides the blocks for team mates and gets lots of important touches in scoring chains

What he isn't is an out and out goal scorer.
 
Andre the Giant said:
Ok here is a controversial (possibly stupid) suggestion.

Himmelberg plus future 2nd to Suns for Pick 3

My rationale is that I don’t think Harry is working out in our forward line. He has some elite traits but to me he lacks consistency.

If we got Pick 3 we could get Callaghan and Gibcus which would net a top mid and the best key defender. With our next pick we possibly go for Amiss if available??

So who is our forward? Maybe Riccardi gets given a year to take that spot? Maybe we trade in Lobb who apparently is happy to take less money and might be partially subsidised? Maybe the kid from the Demons who’s not a game.

I really like the idea of making a play for that number 3 pick but Suns want a an established forward for it.

Just spitballing here so no hate please!
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I understand your thought pattern, and admit that I too have wondered how we possibly get pick 3 from the Suns. (I have no answer to the latter aspect!)

However, I doubt that GWS do that, because they won't want to lose HH, and I presume he wouldn't want to go to Suns. And I doubt that Suns do that, because HH won't rate that highly to them. At the least it would need to start at HH + #13, but even then I don't see Suns accepting it.
 
Any one think there is a chance the club doesnt pick Callaghan?

With how he is rated I think the club has to pick him

Still thinking
#2 Callaghan
#13 Best tall, could split this depending on who they rate and where they are likely to go
#points for Fahey
#DFA or later pick tall
Rookie pick if any the club rate are available

Might need to move 1 or 2 players to the rookie list (Keefe, Kennedy, MDB possibilities)
 
fridgeman said:
Any one think there is a chance the club doesnt pick Callaghan?

With how he is rated I think the club has to pick him

Still thinking
#2 Callaghan
#13 Best tall, could split this depending on who they rate and where they are likely to go
#points for Fahey
#DFA or later pick tall
Rookie pick if any the club rate are available

Might need to move 1 or 2 players to the rookie list (Keefe, Kennedy, MDB possibilities)
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I think carouso has been clear that we would take best available with our first pick

If we trade back it’s a possibility, but I can’t see us choosing anyone else if we are still at pick 2(4)
 

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Danny88 said:
I think carouso has been clear that we would take best available with our first pick

If we trade back it’s a possibility, but I can’t see us choosing anyone else if we are still at pick 2(4)
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Where do you get this impression from? Have you heard him talk about it? I haven't seen many interviews with him maybe I've missed something.
 
Hendo_21 said:
Where do you get this impression from? Have you heard him talk about it? I haven't seen many interviews with him maybe I've missed something.
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He has said it about a million times that early picks are about best available.
 
He’s definitely said best available but that doesn’t necessarily mean we have Callaghan in that position.

However, the last month that he played more in the middle and started racking it up he really put himself above the next group including Gibcus.

I would have no trouble taking him and then reaching for Alleer 2wirh our other 1st rounder to play that key position which as an older kid who has played SANFL he should be able to do immediately.

Still lots to play out, let’s see what our final hand is and who moves around where!
 
I'm not sure we need to take a tall at 13.
As long as we keep Riccardi, and like last year, we looked to push him back. I don't think we are as short as people think.
I imagine we will go with 2 rucks more often.
If Andrew, Amiss or least likely Gibcus was still there, take one sure, if not I reckon take some outside class. There will be plenty still up there at that time.
 
GWS Goose said:
I'm not sure we need to take a tall at 13.
As long as we keep Riccardi, and like last year, we looked to push him back. I don't think we are as short as people think.
I imagine we will go with 2 rucks more often.
If Andrew, Amiss or least likely Gibcus was still there, take one sure, if not I reckon take some outside class. There will be plenty still up there at that time.
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We do tend to take defenders after the first Rd.
 
Giant Pete said:
We do tend to take defenders after the first Rd.
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Actually, I'd say that we have taken defenders via a wide variety of methods - first round pick (e.g. Haynes, Marchbank), second round pick (e.g. Taylor), later pick (e.g. Idun, Fleeton), rookie pick (e.g. Frost, Buckley), cheap trade (e.g. Patfull) and DFA (e.g. Lachie Keeffe).

There's not really a large enough sample to define what we tend to do IMHO, but you would be accurate to say 'first round pick is not the highest likelihood'. I have no idea what Caruso might do this year!

But I'm definitely warming to Callaghan (or Horne-Francis if North were to shock by overlooking him!) as best available, and take a KPD later. Taylor, Idun and Buckley have been brilliant pick ups from the positions taken, so hopefully we can do that again.

My only issue with taking too many midfielders is not having enough room in the team to fit them all. We do need to look at a KPD and a small/medium forward to balance our list, whether this year or next.
 

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Giant Strides said:
Actually, I'd say that we have taken defenders via a wide variety of methods - first round pick (e.g. Haynes, Marchbank), second round pick (e.g. Taylor), later pick (e.g. Idun, Fleeton), rookie pick (e.g. Frost, Buckley), cheap trade (e.g. Patfull) and DFA (e.g. Lachie Keeffe).

There's not really a large enough sample to define what we tend to do IMHO, but you would be accurate to say 'first round pick is not the highest likelihood'. I have no idea what Caruso might do this year!

But I'm definitely warming to Callaghan (or Horne-Francis if North were to shock by overlooking him!) as best available, and take a KPD later. Taylor, Idun and Buckley have been brilliant pick ups from the positions taken, so hopefully we can do that again.

My only issue with taking too many midfielders is not having enough room in the team to fit them all. We do need to look at a KPD and a small/medium forward to balance our list, whether this year or next.
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I meant under Caruso.
 
Giant Pete said:
I meant under Caruso.
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I would just think it's a small sample size to be confident of predicting what he will or won't do. Do I think he'll more likely take a KPD via means other than a first round pick? Yes, I would. I'm figuring he'll go Callaghan (or Horne-Francis if he were to be available). Would I wager a body part on not taking Gibcus? No, I would not! But I'm not even confident he'll take a KPD this draft, even though I personally believe we need to start planning for Davis & Keeffe retiring soon.
 
I think young KPF is not something that has to be adressed right away especially in a class where there isn't a lot of KPF talent, we probably have enough talent up forward at the moment to get by for another season, if Riccardi takes a step forward him HH and Flynn is a fine top 3 if Hogan was to ever go down (something we must account for). I'm not too sure about the strength of the KPF class next year but I assume it's stronger then this years as this year is very midfield heavy. Of course if someone slides to us at 13 that we didn't expect then I wouldn't have an issue taking them (maybe Amiss) but in a vacuum for this team KPD is higher need. Stein was good for a few games but thought he was exposed in the semi final, he's 27 at this point so it's not like he's this young potential filled KPD. At this point he's fine in a pinch but better suited for depth unless he has some abnormal development and greatly improves.
 

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