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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
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GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Giant Strides said:
Actually, I'd say that we have taken defenders via a wide variety of methods - first round pick (e.g. Haynes, Marchbank), second round pick (e.g. Taylor), later pick (e.g. Idun, Fleeton), rookie pick (e.g. Frost, Buckley), cheap trade (e.g. Patfull) and DFA (e.g. Lachie Keeffe).

There's not really a large enough sample to define what we tend to do IMHO, but you would be accurate to say 'first round pick is not the highest likelihood'. I have no idea what Caruso might do this year!

But I'm definitely warming to Callaghan (or Horne-Francis if North were to shock by overlooking him!) as best available, and take a KPD later. Taylor, Idun and Buckley have been brilliant pick ups from the positions taken, so hopefully we can do that again.

My only issue with taking too many midfielders is not having enough room in the team to fit them all. We do need to look at a KPD and a small/medium forward to balance our list, whether this year or next.
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Exactly sir! My thinking precisely. We have so many mids already! I am all for adding Callaghan. Question is where will Angwin, Bruhn, O'Halloran, Stone fit in going forward if we take Callaghan and like some of you have suggested in taking another mid with our other first rounder? All I can see happening is us losing young talent such as Angwin, Stone etc to other clubs willing to play them and no doubt we will get a second round pick or less for them going forward as they aren't getting a game.
This is why I would much rather us trade our second first round pick into the future OR if we are dead set on a key position player (which we need more than a mid anyway) we trade our first pick down to someone like the Crows (who owe us a favour from the Hately debacle). In this situation I see us moving down 2 positions to the Crows pick plus also getting a future first from the Crows.
I still think a huge pressing need for our side is a KPF. Our most talented is Hogan who we can lock in playing somewhere between 10-15 games per year and Himmelberg who gets out marked 10 times a game which often results in a rebound score for the opposition.
 
Maximus 2011 said:
Exactly sir! My thinking precisely. We have so many mids already! I am all for adding Callaghan. Question is where will Angwin, Bruhn, O'Halloran, Stone fit in going forward if we take Callaghan and like some of you have suggested in taking another mid with our other first rounder? All I can see happening is us losing young talent such as Angwin, Stone etc to other clubs willing to play them and no doubt we will get a second round pick or less for them going forward as they aren't getting a game.
This is why I would much rather us trade our second first round pick into the future OR if we are dead set on a key position player (which we need more than a mid anyway) we trade our first pick down to someone like the Crows (who owe us a favour from the Hately debacle). In this situation I see us moving down 2 positions to the Crows pick plus also getting a future first from the Crows.
I still think a huge pressing need for our side is a KPF. Our most talented is Hogan who we can lock in playing somewhere between 10-15 games per year and Himmelberg who gets out marked 10 times a game which often results in a rebound score for the opposition.
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The point is we don’t have to play all of them. In reality we won’t nail every draft pick so every club plans on losing young players. It’s only a bad thing if you want to keep them. Last year we lost caldwell and it’s probably too soon to tell if that’s going to hurt us badly as he spend much of the season off the field but Hately can’t get a game in a bottom team

It’s ok to draft players and find out they aren’t at the standard. Not everyone will get a go. Players like Angwin need to stand out at the lower level to force pressure on their selection at afl level… he hasn’t done that. Stone lost his season to injury so who knows regarding him at this point

I’m rambling…. But my point is it’s not a bad thing to have young kids not getting games just to develop them as long as the age profile is balanced
 
Danny88 said:
The point is we don’t have to play all of them. In reality we won’t nail every draft pick so every club plans on losing young players. It’s only a bad thing if you want to keep them. Last year we lost caldwell and it’s probably too soon to tell if that’s going to hurt us badly as he spend much of the season off the field but Hately can’t get a game in a bottom team

It’s ok to draft players and find out they aren’t at the standard. Not everyone will get a go. Players like Angwin need to stand out at the lower level to force pressure on their selection at afl level… he hasn’t done that. Stone lost his season to injury so who knows regarding him at this point

I’m rambling…. But my point is it’s not a bad thing to have young kids not getting games just to develop them as long as the age profile is balanced
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It's a good point on Angwin, he was always viewed as a developmental longer term prospect as well as a consensus reach on most draft boards but based off the box scores from his games throughout the season (although an interrupted season) he never really stood out even at the lower level which is concerning. So for all we know Angwin might be a miss from last years draft and they could still be looking for a solution on the wing next to Whitfield, which opens the door for Callaghan. Stone was injured most of the season to injury but I thought he had a couple really nice games especially his 2 goals against Geelong, I think there's clearly something there with him. if he can push Llyod for his spot next year that'd be a great sign for his development.
 
Hendo_21 said:
It's a good point on Angwin, he was always viewed as a developmental longer term prospect as well as a consensus reach on most draft boards but based off the box scores from his games throughout the season (although an interrupted season) he never really stood out even at the lower level which is concerning. So for all we know Angwin might be a miss from last years draft and they could still be looking for a solution on the wing next to Whitfield, which opens the door for Callaghan. Stone was injured most of the season to injury but I thought he had a couple really nice games especially his 2 goals against Geelong, I think there's clearly something there with him. if he can push Llyod for his spot next year that'd be a great sign for his development.
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I thought they were really happy with him, even got a mention in the last press conference of the year.

All year we heard how well he runs and his beautiful kick. There was never an intention for him to play this year.

You want to keep bringing in top end talent and you can never have too much.
 

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I don't disagree on % hit rate of young draftees. But then we also need to understand that talls need time to develop, and it's important to have a plan to replace talls as they age towards retirement.

There's a fine balance between bringing in too many young kids who don't get a chance, and having a group from which you can determine who'll be a star or at least best 22 worthy, and should be kept. Obviously, we were hoping to have Caldwell for another 2 years to see how he went, so was disappointing when he left. Probably were less fussed about Hately; but keeping him would have meant Wehr probably didn't get drafted, who hasn't had a look in anyway.

There's lots of ways to look at the options we've got against the list we currently have - some actions we might choose people will agree with, and others they might hate, depending on their own perspectives.
 



Yes yes I know it's only highlights, but for those that haven't seen the two I keep harping on about here's some clips to show what they can do, not going to be disappointed with either
 
The Herald Sun can confirm Mumford has decided to retire after several weeks of uncertainty about whether he might go on for one final season.
The Giants had been fairly certain that with Braydon Preuss, Kieren Briggs and Matt Flynn as their ruckmen for next season, Mumford would take up a two-year development role at the club. Given Mumford had un-retired himself last year, there was that small possibility he would play on as the club assessed its needs
But a decision has finally been made, with the Giants already thrilled by his ruck coaching last summer before another lion-hearted campaign this year.
Phil Davis will stay on and Jake Ricciardi will also re-sign with little rival interest.
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AFL Trade news: Fremantle want Demons young gun Luke Jackson in Adam Cerra deal | Herald Sun
 
PMBangers said:



Yes yes I know it's only highlights, but for those that haven't seen the two I keep harping on about here's some clips to show what they can do, not going to be disappointed with either
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Personally got as much faith in van Rooyen eventually turning into a high quality defender as I do in Gibcus and for mine to go with Finn would easily be the way to go with out 1st selection.
 
captainMyCaptain said:
AFL Trade news: Fremantle want Demons young gun Luke Jackson in Adam Cerra deal | Herald Sun
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That’s good news that he’s moving on, was a great player for so long but for his body’s sake it’s probably time to hang it up. Glad we get to see the reigns being fully handed over to the younger brigade excited to see what that duo can do this year. Seems like Riccardi it’s highly likely stays on for a couple more which is good to hear as well, haven’t heard a whole lot about Flynn but the from the little there’s been it’s been positive reports.
 
captainMyCaptain said:
Personally got as much faith in van Rooyen eventually turning into a high quality defender as I do in Gibcus and for mine to go with Finn would easily be the way to go with out 1st selection.
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What about Van Rooyen gives you that confidence?
 
PMBangers said:



Yes yes I know it's only highlights, but for those that haven't seen the two I keep harping on about here's some clips to show what they can do, not going to be disappointed with either
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The main trait for me that always pops when watching Callaghan is just how good he is at moving in traffic he does such a good job of evading and breaking tackles giving himself more space to operate.
 
PMBangers said:
What about Van Rooyen gives you that confidence?
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Not sure if its confidence in Van Rooyen or more a lack of confidence in Gibcus especially with such an early pick.
But do rate Van Rooyen's athletic profile and think he just needs to be given that clear role down back and not be seen as that swingman.
Also could be wrong but Van Rooyen looks like a guy that will fill out more then Gibcus will.
 

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captainMyCaptain said:
But do rate Van Rooyen's athletic profile and think he just needs to be given that clear role down back
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Do you rate it higher than Gibcus's, just tryna grasp what you think the differences between the two are, to me the two things in Van Rooyen's favour are aggression and kicking, but outside of that I've got Gibcus ahead pretty comfortably
 
GWS captain Stephen Coniglio is also going nowhere despite former list boss Steve Silvagni throwing him up as trade bait this week.
He is determined to reclaim his place in the AFL’s elite after a season ruined by ankle and toe problems with no interest from WA-based clubs or intent on his behalf to explore a move.
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AFL trade news 2021: Tom Mitchell, Jack Ziebell, Jordan Ridley, Pies development guru poached by Saints | Herald Sun
 
PMBangers said:
Do you rate it higher than Gibcus's, just tryna grasp what you think the differences between the two are, to me the two things in Van Rooyen's favour are aggression and kicking, but outside of that I've got Gibcus ahead pretty comfortably
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What I rate is addressing need with a guy who can be picked up in the 2nd round rather then a top 5 pick.
 
Well, I think that Jason Horne-Francis' performance in last night's SANFL PF has put to bed any lingering thoughts that Norths might overlook JHF. IMHO, they would have been misreading the signs to do so, which would have been to GWS' advantage. But no longer - a superb performance from the young South Australian. I also suspect that Norths won't bid on Daicos, and just call JHF as #1 straight up - I would if I was choosing.

That leaves GWS with a number of decisions:
  • do we trade pick #2 if it gets us a larger warchest (depending on what we're prioritising at this draft)?
  • if we keep #2, do we bid on Daicos and/or Darcy; if so, is it one or the other or both; and if both, in which order?
  • who do we take with our #2 selection - Callaghan, or someone else?
 
Giant Strides said:
Well, I think that Jason Horne-Francis' performance in last night's SANFL PF has put to bed any lingering thoughts that Norths might overlook JHF. IMHO, they would have been misreading the signs to do so, which would have been to GWS' advantage. But no longer - a superb performance from the young South Australian. I also suspect that Norths won't bid on Daicos, and just call JHF as #1 straight up - I would if I was choosing.

That leaves GWS with a number of decisions:
  • do we trade pick #2 if it gets us a larger warchest (depending on what we're prioritising at this draft)?
  • if we keep #2, do we bid on Daicos and/or Darcy; if so, is it one or the other or both; and if both, in which order?
  • who do we take with our #2 selection - Callaghan, or someone else?
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I haven't watched a lot of SANFL but I tuned in last night to see Horne play and make he was incredibly, I have to think he's going to be the best player to come out of this class. I understand Daicos puts up some crazy numbers but thats at a considerably lower level of competition while Horne is doing all this in some of the best competition outside of the AFL, he truly could've kicked 5 last night. Think he's going to such an awesome player. I'd only trade the pick if someone was really looking to overpay for our pick otherwise I'd feel pretty great about picking Callaghan. This is a list that doesn't need to be topped up with even more young guys, after this current crop of draftees I could maybe feel a squeeze coming for some of them if they're unable to takeover the spots of other guys in the best 22, they may look elsewhere for opportunities.
 
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Hey folks - I come in peace!

Curious which player you were suggesting might be traded for Elliot Himmelburg?

And, from a Crows perspective, we might add some pieces to pick 4 to get to 2, but it wouldn't be our 2022 1st. Two top 5 picks is too much for any individual draftee, even JHF.

Here's to 2022!
 

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Mego Red said:
Curious which player you were suggesting might be traded for Elliot Himmelburg?

And, from a Crows perspective, we might add some pieces to pick 4 to get to 2, but it wouldn't be our 2022 1st. Two top 5 picks is too much for any individual draftee, even JHF.
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I think they were talking about Jeremy Finlayson, IIRC? If a move to Port didn't come off, then a swap for EH at Crows was their thought.
 
Orange Agent said:
Hypothetically, would you trade a top 5 pick for Sam Taylor if he wasn't ours and had nominated us to be traded to? This year and the list in the same position.
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Yes, he's already one of the 5(?) best key defenders in the entire competition already at age 22. Being able lock in a top tier key defender for the next decade makes constructing a defence so much simpler as all you need now is complimentary pieces which are much easier to find.
 
Orange Agent said:
Who are Metro kids that Gibcus is on there? I'm thinking 36 is maybe Darcy is it?
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Yeah 36 is Darcy, 33 is Sam Paea who's pretty quick off the mark and generally beats opponents by beating them on the lead
 

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