List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

GWS Goose · Aug 8, 2021

After the game Friday, my urge to have Riccardi as a reasonably high priority has changed.
He seemed way off it in Friday, in fact every time he got near it, it broke down.
Based on what we saw last year I thought he was going to be a very good player for a long time.
Based on Friday I can see why they haven't picked him this year.
It's only 1 game I know, so hopefully we see the best of him again.

Giant Gutsache · Aug 8, 2021

GWS Goose said:
After the game Friday, my urge to have Riccardi as a reasonably high priority has changed.
He seemed way off it in Friday, in fact every time he got near it, it broke down.
Based on what we saw last year I thought he was going to be a very good player for a long time.
Based on Friday I can see why they haven't picked him this year.
It's only 1 game I know, so hopefully we see the best of him again.

I think they’ll try hard to keep him. Bigger guys generally take longer to develop. Those few games last year were incredible and show he’s worth persevering with, despite his current lack of confidence.
Won’t be a #1 tall forward, but can be a strong 2/3.
Then again if the Pies stump up silly dough he’ll walk.

Giant Strides · Aug 8, 2021

Giant Gutsache said:
I think they’ll try hard to keep him. Bigger guys generally take longer to develop. Those few games last year were incredible and show he’s worth persevering with, despite his current lack of confidence.
Won’t be a #1 tall forward, but can be a strong 2/3.
Then again if the Pies stump up silly dough he’ll walk.

I'm sure we'd want to keep him, as I agree it will take some development time.

The problem, as always, is if a Victorian kid isn't instantly in the 22 each week, they'll look for opportunity nearer to home. Collinwood would be problematic as they have reduced draft/trade capital, but I'm sure something could be worked out. Tigers another who could do with him, and have more trade capital.

GWS Goose · Aug 8, 2021

Id agree we'd want to keep him.
But if someone makes a big play, happy not to chase too hard.

Danny88 · Aug 8, 2021

Giant Strides said:
I'm sure we'd want to keep him, as I agree it will take some development time.

The problem, as always, is if a Victorian kid isn't instantly in the 22 each week, they'll look for opportunity nearer to home. Collinwood would be problematic as they have reduced draft/trade capital, but I'm sure something could be worked out. Tigers another who could do with him, and have more trade capital.

If he wants to go we will be lucky to get a 4th round selection for him

trade capital isn’t a factor

Colonial · Aug 10, 2021

All Those in the knows eh?

Off to the North thread to have a read.

PMBangers · Aug 10, 2021

Chairman Zia said:
Kelly leaves on 8 year deal, first round pick compo, then pies pick like pick 3 or something, not bad haul.

Ichabod Noodle · Aug 10, 2021

awesome news

off to the norf board…….

Colonial · Aug 10, 2021

fridgeman · Aug 10, 2021

So good to hear and hopefully the club wins on Friday to almost guarentee finals

Gigantic · Aug 10, 2021

We'll probably never know but doesn't anyone have any inkling as to the structure of this 8 year extension?

Was it a pre-determined and specified figure within the original contract he signed 2 years ago? Or could it potentially have been renegotiated?

Chairman Zia · Aug 10, 2021

Giant Strides · Aug 10, 2021

Chairman Zia said:
lol

Well, that puts paid to your stupid ideas, doesn't it?

Colonial · Aug 10, 2021

Well that was an enjoyable read.

Seems a few North fans need a dictionary to look up the meaning of some words, loyalty and traitor being a couple.

Giant Strides · Aug 10, 2021

General Giant said:
Well that was an enjoyable read.

Seems a few North fans need a dictionary to look up the meaning of some words, loyalty and traitor being a couple.

So, I'm guessing the Norf thread has turned from ''welcome our fabulous, talented prodigal son'' to ''never wanted him - the overpaid, over-hyped piece of dog dropping''?

Big Stinky Monk · Aug 10, 2021

Kangaroo tears are delicious

Colonial · Aug 10, 2021

Giant Strides said:
So, I'm guessing the Norf thread has turned from ''welcome our fabulous, talented prodigal son'' to ''never wanted him - the no loyalty, overpaid, over-hyped traitorous piece of dog dropping''?

EFA

Giant Strides · Aug 10, 2021

No loyalty? That's what he's shown - to GWS!

dlanod · Aug 10, 2021

Giant Strides said:
So, I'm guessing the Norf thread has turned from ''welcome our fabulous, talented prodigal son'' to ''never wanted him - the overpaid, over-hyped piece of dog dropping''?

I can understand that. It happens when you feel entitled to something and it doesn't eventuate.

The few wishing him physical harm are scum though.

Andre the Giant · Aug 10, 2021

General Giant said:

I don’t want to merely sound negative as he is an outstanding player but this is a really naive and ignorant deal. He is 27 next year meaning he will be with us until he’s 35 and is taking a mill a year.

I just think this could go horribly wrong and was not necessary.

Look at the Coniglio deal now…players need to want to stay here not be bribed to do so.

It’s interesting the AFL don’t let clubs do future draft picks beyond a year so as to protect clubs from themselves but at the same time allow them to do these ridiculous tenure deals which can completely stuff up salary caps.

Happy he’s staying but very worried about this deal.

Pres · Aug 10, 2021

Well done guys.

Would have liked for him to have landed at North with his father's history (we have been dead stiff with Sticks Brayshaw and Phil Kelly both missing the 100 game mark).

Good get to keep him.

Would really be interesting the contract details ie what he's getting vs what we offered but we'll likely never know.

Orangeutan · Aug 10, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
I don’t want to merely sound negative as he is an outstanding player but this is a really naive and ignorant deal. He is 27 next year meaning he will be with us until he’s 35 and is taking a mill a year.

I just think this could go horribly wrong and was not necessary.

Look at the Coniglio deal now…players need to want to stay here not be bribed to do so.

It’s interesting the AFL don’t let clubs do future draft picks beyond a year so as to protect clubs from themselves but at the same time allow them to do these ridiculous tenure deals which can completely stuff up salary caps.

Happy he’s staying but very worried about this deal.

I hear you.
We are a better team with him and I'm very pleased he's staying.
End of the day, the market determines player worth. I assume that losing Jezza opened up some cap space.

Danny88 · Aug 10, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
I don’t want to merely sound negative as he is an outstanding player but this is a really naive and ignorant deal. He is 27 next year meaning he will be with us until he’s 35 and is taking a mill a year.

I just think this could go horribly wrong and was not necessary.

Look at the Coniglio deal now…players need to want to stay here not be bribed to do so.

It’s interesting the AFL don’t let clubs do future draft picks beyond a year so as to protect clubs from themselves but at the same time allow them to do these ridiculous tenure deals which can completely stuff up salary caps.

Happy he’s staying but very worried about this deal.

In 8 years the cap will be vastly different and it won’t look the same

you say bribed…. I say paid

think about it in terms ofwhere the list is at…. We have that core group around the 26-28 years old mark… we need to perform while they are at the top

eventually the tobys and the whitfields won’t be there and we will
Bottom out…. But right now we need to keep players like kelly to remain competitive with the top tier

Colonial · Aug 10, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
I don’t want to merely sound negative as he is an outstanding player but this is a really naive and ignorant deal. He is 27 next year meaning he will be with us until he’s 35 and is taking a mill a year.

I just think this could go horribly wrong and was not necessary.

Look at the Coniglio deal now…players need to want to stay here not be bribed to do so.

It’s interesting the AFL don’t let clubs do future draft picks beyond a year so as to protect clubs from themselves but at the same time allow them to do these ridiculous tenure deals which can completely stuff up salary caps.

Happy he’s staying but very worried about this deal.

I’m ok with the deal.

We have plenty of cap room, making a ton of space last year, and he is quality.

The cap will increase over the years, and let’s be honest the media love the word “million” but they also use it for those on anything as low as 800k, so
Wouldn’t be too concerned

Colonial · Aug 10, 2021

Those losers are hilarious.

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