List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

Giant Strides · Sep 8, 2021

sydney_gws said:
With luke Parker resigning with swans, I guess other clubs might push harder for green and hopper.
Does anybody think We should let one leave ( cogs, hopper, green), it is hard to see how we keep all those players who prefer midfield only happy.

It's an interesting - and often divisive - question, isn't it? I understanding the point, that we have ''too many'' grunts, and not enough with speed and zip out of the contest. I look at Cal Ward, though, and although he had a great year, he's over 30 and the end of his career is coming up. We need, IMHO, to be looking at him playing mainly 2s to develop the next generation, and being injury cover. Similarly MdB, perhaps pulling him in when a hard tag is required. Tim Taranto can spend time forward, therefore leaving Green/Hopper/Coniglio as the main grunts, with Kelly/Whitfield/Ash/XOH/Bruhn (and potentially incoming Callaghan) with the outside and inside/outside roles. That's a pretty stacked side, but we also need to cater for injuries, 2 we can cover, 3 or 4 and we're starting to get thin.

In summary, no I wouldn't want to actively shop any of the players, but if Cogs/Hopper/Taranto did up and leave, it wouldn't be the end of the world (provided we received adequate trade value). Green and Hopper would be the guys I really would like to hold onto, because they're NSW/ACT kids, and who we need to be able to hold up to juniors as the inspiration to succeed in this neck of the woods. The only reason I'd actively shop someone, would be if we could either trade, or get draft picks, that resolved a significant hole in the squad - such as main KPF, or upcoming KPD.

Once Cal & MdB retire in another couple of years, we should probably look at replacing them from a second or third round pool - someone who might be grateful for the opportunity and happy to develop in VFL (hopefully it recovers post-COVID!) rather than draft another inside grunt who will up and leave if not fast-tracked into the 1s. We need to focus first round selections on a main KPF, a KPD, and probably a Greene-replacement (small/medium goal-kicking forward) in the medium term.

captainMyCaptain · Sep 8, 2021

sydney_gws said:
With luke Parker resigning with swans, I guess other clubs might push harder for green and hopper.
Does anybody think We should let one leave ( cogs, hopper, green), it is hard to see how we keep all those players who prefer midfield only happy.

Green is contracted and if the club has its way he will be a lifer. On Hopper if he doesn't re-sign not a bad outcome and balance would better with Green and Taranto being our grunt guys and with the picks for hopper and the picks we already have we would definitely be able to get best available as well as addressing any needs thru the draft.

With Cogs its safe to say the club would love not to have that monster contract on the books given his current form and injury issues but seems were stuck with him for better or worse.

PMBangers · Sep 8, 2021

PMBangers said:
It's hard to be sure given that most haven't played against meaningful competition, think I gave my list of ones that impressed me through two of their NAB League games in Harry Rowston, Luke Lawrence and Angus Curry, Curry looks the best but is an undersized midfielder so inherently drops down in rankings regardless of skill ala Errol Gulden

Have since watched some more academy footage, Lawrence is pretty clearly the top prospect imo. Not a massive ball winner but just does some crazy stuff, got pace and gets around opponents well through the midfield, has a good leap and mark in the forward half, the only issue I've got right now is his kicking inconsistencies, but it's more an issue of penetration than inaccuracy/ execution.

two more to throw on the radar as well that also made the NSW/ACT U17 squad, Dayne Posthuma who's a pretty decent key defender, has some athleticism and uses the ball fairly well, and Nathan Battaglia who's an athletic forward, in particular his leap, but will need a lot of work on his disposal

Hendo_21 · Sep 8, 2021

sydney_gws said:
With luke Parker resigning with swans, I guess other clubs might push harder for green and hopper.
Does anybody think We should let one leave ( cogs, hopper, green), it is hard to see how we keep all those players who prefer midfield only happy.

I think it's really difficult and we probably have one or maybe two to many. Hopper is the one that'd I'd be "okay" with leaving, he's great but ultimately he's fairly one dismensional as a strictly inside midfielder. I'm certainly not actively shopping any of them but I'm also not too upset if he leaves, for me Taranto is the one we really have to lock in. His two way ability and his craft up forward at his age are far too valuable we can't let him go. I think with a healthy pre-season Cogs will be good to go next season. Green's not up for a while but he's one I'd look to sign long term as well, really impressive at such a young age. Seems like a contract extension is on the way soon for Bruhn which is great really like the point of difference he offers our midfield paired with contested ball winning ability. Ward and MDB are probably going to be gone soon which we'll help ease some midfield pressure.

Giant Pete · Sep 8, 2021

sydney_gws said:
With luke Parker resigning with swans, I guess other clubs might push harder for green and hopper.
Does anybody think We should let one leave ( cogs, hopper, green), it is hard to see how we keep all those players who prefer midfield only happy.

I actually don’t mind if we lose an inside midfielder… we need run. We are stacked for bulls. We would be well compensated in any trade.

Giant Pete · Sep 8, 2021

PMBangers said:
Have since watched some more academy footage, Lawrence is pretty clearly the top prospect imo. Not a massive ball winner but just does some crazy stuff, got pace and gets around opponents well through the midfield, has a good leap and mark in the forward half, the only issue I've got right now is his kicking inconsistencies, but it's more an issue of penetration than inaccuracy/ execution.

two more to throw on the radar as well that also made the NSW/ACT U17 squad, Dayne Posthuma who's a pretty decent key defender, has some athleticism and uses the ball fairly well, and Nathan Battaglia who's an athletic forward, in particular his leap, but will need a lot of work on his disposal

Where can we see footage of these guys?

PMBangers · Sep 8, 2021

Giant Pete said:
Where can we see footage of these guys?

GWS Goose · Sep 8, 2021

sydney_gws said:
With luke Parker resigning with swans, I guess other clubs might push harder for green and hopper.
Does anybody think We should let one leave ( cogs, hopper, green), it is hard to see how we keep all those players who prefer midfield only happy.

Think we aim to keep all of them

sydney_gws · Sep 8, 2021

I guess the challenge for the coaches is to get some of those players to improve as forwards.
If we have 6 players averaging 25 possessions and 1 goal a game, we will be one hell of a side.

PMBangers · Sep 8, 2021

Hey team,
Over the past few weeks the bigfooty draftcast, featuring yours truly occassionally, has been looking at clubs as their seasons have ended and diving into what they migjt do at the draft. Next week GWS is up with the lions, so if you have questioms about any particular prospects, or any comments on what you think we should do feel free to drop it in the draftcast thread;

Podcast - BigFooty Draftcast – Ep 13: Phantom Draft SZN

BigFooty's Draft Hub has its own podcast! Hosted by The_Wookie, the new podcast will feature a rotating cast of our resident Draft Experts & Draft Watchers, including Davo-27, ModernArtillery, PMBangers, Pie 4 Life, Smythe and eDPS. The Draftcast is expected to feature game reviews, profiles...

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It will feature Pie 4 Life so youll get a fresh view rather than just me regurertating my wishes

Note: we will automatically talk about Fahey, Voss and Grintell

Cheers

Gigantic · Sep 10, 2021

Something's brewing...

Andre the Giant · Sep 10, 2021

OFF THE TABLE: Midfield bull re-signs after best season

GWS rewards gun midfielder Jacob Hopper with fresh two-year deal

www.afl.com.au

Jacob Hopper officially re-signs for 2 years

Orange crush · Sep 10, 2021

Never in doubt really .... the club is starting to build something

GWS Goose · Sep 10, 2021

Locked down every one we really wanted to keep.
A good year on most fronts really.

Orange crush · Sep 10, 2021

GWS Goose said:
Locked down every one we really wanted to keep.
A good year on most fronts really.

Been a nice year to bounce back from2020 .... still need Flynn but very confident n that front. Sets us up with a list for a crack next year

GWS Goose · Sep 10, 2021

There won't be a stack of interest from other clubs for Flynn, I imagine he stays.

Hendo_21 · Sep 10, 2021

GWS Goose said:
There won't be a stack of interest from other clubs for Flynn, I imagine he stays.

Disagree, he was really good as both a ruck and a forward this year and a team needing help in either position will likely have interest. I think it's crucial him and Briggs are both here long term

GWS Goose · Sep 10, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Disagree, he was really good as both a ruck and a forward this year and a team needing help in either position will likely have interest. I think it's crucial him and Briggs are both here long term

He did a good job, can't see another club knocking the door down to get him.
He'd have to be motivated to go, unlikely he'll get significant more opportunity or money at another club. Also no go home factor.
Be shocked if he goes. Unless we don't want him.. that would surprise me.

captainMyCaptain · Sep 10, 2021

GWS Goose said:
Locked down every one we really wanted to keep.
A good year on most fronts really.

Unless something unexpected happens it will be first time since 2012 (only Hombsch left the club that year) we lose no one of any significance. Perhaps a turning point for the club.

Glek · Sep 10, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:
Unless something unexpected happens it will be first time since 2012 (only Hombsch left the club that year) we lose no one of any significance. Perhaps a turning point for the club.

Would be absolutely fantastic. We are so close, just need that tad of luck to go our way. Hopefully we can land a trade or 2 then nail that draft.

Orange crush · Sep 10, 2021

You’ve changed your team, Sam

Danny88 · Sep 10, 2021

how good was the Wolf of Wall Street into vid to the Hopper announcement

sydney_gws · Sep 10, 2021

Richmond for one, they are hoping ( big footy board at least ) to have Chol and/or CCJ go to gold coast to get pick 3, so Flynn might appeal as a replacement. One would guess if mumford plays on clubs will believe flynn is gettable.

Hendo_21 said:
Disagree, he was really good as both a ruck and a forward this year and a team needing help in either position will likely have interest. I think it's crucial him and Briggs are both here long term

GWS Goose · Sep 10, 2021

sydney_gws said:
Richmond for one, they are hoping ( big footy board at least ) to have Chol and/or CCJ go to gold coast to get pick 3, so Flynn might appeal as a replacement. One would guess if mumford plays on clubs will believe flynn is gettable.

CCJ or Chol for pick 3!
Please.
As if the Gold coast are going to give pick 3 for a player who has proven to be a handy depth player with potential to be best 22.

sydney_gws · Sep 10, 2021

GWS Goose said:
CCJ or Chol for pick 3!
Please.
As if the Gold coast are going to give pick 3 for a player who has proven to be a handy depth player with potential to be best 22.

I think they are proposing 7 and ccj for 3. Not as ambitious/ ridiculous as hawthorn board who want picks 14 and 18 for tom mitchell.

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