List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

PMBangers · Sep 25, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Thoughts on JHF from last night? Surely would have laid to rest any thoughts by North to overlook him?

I'm in two minds on how it effects thing at club level, recruiters have watched every game of his since he was 15/16, so I don't think it'd change their view much, if at all, but the last 2-3 games of his have caught so much attention it'd be fun to see North sell any other selection to the fans. In saying that, the other part of me says if it was 50/50 before Callaghan got injured it's hard to not see JHF looking a lot more favourable now

Hendo_21 · Sep 25, 2021

In Jon Ralph's trade Q&A on the Herald Sun website a user asked a question about Tim O'Brien and Jon said that "GWS are looking for key defenders" doesn't have to mean we're in on Tim O'Brien but could mean that we're intrested in Gibcus maybe. Personally wouldn't mind taking a chance on Talia as long as the cost isn't too much he'd fit right in with our injury issues but probably still has a few more good years left in him. He'd be able to start next to Taylor from Day 1, would allow Buckley to play as the third key defender when he's healthy and keep Keefe and Phil as high quality depth options.

Giant Pete · Sep 25, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
In Jon Ralph's trade Q&A on the Herald Sun website a user asked a question about Tim O'Brien and Jon said that "GWS are looking for key defenders" doesn't have to mean we're in on Tim O'Brien but could mean that we're intrested in Gibcus maybe. Personally wouldn't mind taking a chance on Talia as long as the cost isn't too much he'd fit right in with our injury issues but probably still has a few more good years left in him. He'd be able to start next to Taylor from Day 1, would allow Buckley to play as the third key defender when he's healthy and keep Keefe and Phil as high quality depth options.

This does make a fair bit of sense to me. We need more depth in key talls. We can’t bank on Riccardi or someone to fill the void… too risky. Having Talia for two years (assuming his medical is alright) allows a young kpd to develop.

Giant Pete · Sep 25, 2021

Giant Pete said:
This does make a fair bit of sense to me. We need more depth in key talls. We can’t bank on Riccardi or someone to fill the void… too risky. Having Talia for two years (assuming his medical is alright) allows a young kpd to develop.

Plus… is he delisted? Wouldn’t cost anything… although don’t want him is his medical isn’t A-plus.

Hendo_21 · Sep 25, 2021

Giant Pete said:
This does make a fair bit of sense to me. We need more depth in key talls. We can’t bank on Riccardi or someone to fill the void… too risky. Having Talia for two years (assuming his medical is alright) allows a young kpd to develop.

I'd stick to Riccardi playing as a forward, that's where he's played his best footy in the past and would allow him to settle into one position. Contracts are so murky so I'm not sure how much Talia would cost or how much intrestest is out there, I assume Geelong is keen. As long as it didn't break the bank I think he'd be a pretty perfect fit as a man defender next to Taylor. Injury issues are of course a concern but that would work in out favour when it comes to his contract.

Colonial · Sep 25, 2021

So according to Tom and Ralph the club advised Dorsal to look elsewhere in his exit interview.
They also said he was on a 3rd year of a lucrative 4 year deal soooo.

Giant Strides · Sep 25, 2021

General Giant said:
So according to Tom and Ralph the club advised Dorsal to look elsewhere in his exit interview.
They also said he was on a 3rd year of a lucrative 4 year deal soooo.

What? He's in the first year of a 3-year deal.

So, they don't know what they're talking about.

Hendo_21 · Sep 25, 2021

Giant Strides said:
What? He's in the first year of a 3-year deal.

So, they don't know what they're talking about.

I also think he's pretty clearly fallen out of favour with the coaching staff and if they're telling him to look elsewhere then Riccardi is likely staying.

Hendo_21 · Sep 25, 2021

General Giant said:
So according to Tom and Ralph the club advised Dorsal to look elsewhere in his exit interview.
They also said he was on a 3rd year of a lucrative 4 year deal soooo.

Where was this said?

Colonial · Sep 25, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Where was this said?

On Foxfooty after the Longest kick comp earlier this arvo.

Orangeutan · Sep 25, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Where was this said?

I am pretty sure they (Fox Footy) were talking about Peter Ladhams at that point.

Colonial · Sep 25, 2021

BarryAglett said:
I am pretty sure they (Fox Footy) were talking about Peter Ladhams at that point.

looking for the video. 99.9% sure they were talking Finlayson when talking the exit interview and to look at other options.

Cameron_Jezza · Sep 25, 2021

Dear all,
Could you see any trade possibilities between GWS and Geelong.
What for example do you think you would offer for Geelong 2022R1?

ALSO when do memberships go on sale.
My young son wants us to get a Giants membership for 2022 ( so we can go to about 5-6 games in sydney)..

PMBangers · Sep 26, 2021

Cameron_Jezza said:
What for example do you think you would offer for Geelong 2022R1?

Maybe Pick 13 in a live trade on the night, I'd prefer to hold it until then just so we get the best offers we can, don't think that'd be much of a change in terms of pick number, more just moving it forward.

Hendo_21 · Sep 26, 2021

Every AFL club’s trade targets and departing stars — and the draft picks they have to play with

Every club’s trade targets and departing stars — and the draft picks they have to play with

www.foxsports.com.au

" Jake Riccardi and Matt Flynn both have two-year deals on the table from the Giants but remain unsigned. Even with the still-pending retirement of Shane Mumford, Flynn faces the prospect of competing with Kieren Briggs and Braydon Preuss for a spot in the senior side next year. Having said that, Briggs is still out of contract too. It’s hard to see both Flynn and Briggs being at the Giants next year. Riccardi has had interest from Carlton and could struggle to get back into the senior side at the Giants as long as Jesse Hogan is fit and firing (albeit not a guarantee). Jeremy Finlayson has completed a medical with Port Adelaide and the Giants won’t fight too hard to keep him given the move is for family reasons. Stephen Coniglio’s future is such an intriguing prospect even though he’s contracted for another five years, but it’s hard to see another team taking him on given the salary and his form/body struggles over the past two years"

Probably paints a bit more of an uncertainty around Riccardi then what we've heard recently, haven't heard much about Flynn at all and nothing in here is really news regarding him. Not sure why it says Brigg's is out of contract when he's still got another year left I believe. Seems like Finlayson could go either way.

fridgeman · Sep 26, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Every AFL club’s trade targets and departing stars — and the draft picks they have to play with

Every club’s trade targets and departing stars — and the draft picks they have to play with

www.foxsports.com.au

" Jake Riccardi and Matt Flynn both have two-year deals on the table from the Giants but remain unsigned. Even with the still-pending retirement of Shane Mumford, Flynn faces the prospect of competing with Kieren Briggs and Braydon Preuss for a spot in the senior side next year. Having said that, Briggs is still out of contract too. It’s hard to see both Flynn and Briggs being at the Giants next year. Riccardi has had interest from Carlton and could struggle to get back into the senior side at the Giants as long as Jesse Hogan is fit and firing (albeit not a guarantee). Jeremy Finlayson has completed a medical with Port Adelaide and the Giants won’t fight too hard to keep him given the move is for family reasons. Stephen Coniglio’s future is such an intriguing prospect even though he’s contracted for another five years, but it’s hard to see another team taking him on given the salary and his form/body struggles over the past two years"

Probably paints a bit more of an uncertainty around Riccardi then what we've heard recently, haven't heard much about Flynn at all and nothing in here is really news regarding him. Not sure why it says Brigg's is out of contract when he's still got another year left I believe. Seems like Finlayson could go either way.
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Anything is possible but I put the article as an example of the quality of journalism these days

As an example from the same article it says the lions are interested in Mason cox despite not having much if any salary cap room and also list spots with I think most if not all remaining players contracted for next season

Colonial · Sep 26, 2021

100% Briggs has another year to go on his contract.
Only one mentioning a Cogs trade is Kane and everyone has bounced off that.

Hendo_21 · Sep 26, 2021

General Giant said:
100% Briggs has another year to go on his contract.
Only one mentioning a Cogs trade is Kane and everyone has bounced of that.

Yeah I was pretty sure of it, not the first time I've seen people say he's out of contract either. Weird.

Giant Strides · Sep 26, 2021

I suspect because some people get their info from Footywire - and in this case (and many others), Footywire is incorrect.

And this article from the Giants' media team is the proof. Possibly someone saw the headline 'two more years', and didn't bother to work out that he was only in his first year, hence the timeframe was 2021 & 2022, not 2020 & 2021.

Briggs Buys In

Promising Western Sydney ruckman Kieren Briggs is the latest GIANT to extend his contract with the club, re-signing for another two years.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

By Alison Zell on Aug 7, 2019, 8:52pm

Promising Western Sydney ruckman Kieren Briggs is the latest GIANT to extend his contract with the club, re-signing for another two years. Briggs said he’s enjoying his first year in GIANTS colours and looking forward to his continued development. Already contracted for an initial two years after he was drafted, Briggs has extended through to the end of 2022.

Hendo_21 said:
Every AFL club’s trade targets and departing stars — and the draft picks they have to play with

Every club’s trade targets and departing stars — and the draft picks they have to play with

www.foxsports.com.au

" Jake Riccardi and Matt Flynn both have two-year deals on the table from the Giants but remain unsigned. Even with the still-pending retirement of Shane Mumford, Flynn faces the prospect of competing with Kieren Briggs and Braydon Preuss for a spot in the senior side next year. Having said that, Briggs is still out of contract too. It’s hard to see both Flynn and Briggs being at the Giants next year. Riccardi has had interest from Carlton and could struggle to get back into the senior side at the Giants as long as Jesse Hogan is fit and firing (albeit not a guarantee). Jeremy Finlayson has completed a medical with Port Adelaide and the Giants won’t fight too hard to keep him given the move is for family reasons. Stephen Coniglio’s future is such an intriguing prospect even though he’s contracted for another five years, but it’s hard to see another team taking him on given the salary and his form/body struggles over the past two years"

Probably paints a bit more of an uncertainty around Riccardi then what we've heard recently, haven't heard much about Flynn at all and nothing in here is really news regarding him. Not sure why it says Brigg's is out of contract when he's still got another year left I believe. Seems like Finlayson could go either way.

I guess technically the article is correct - there has been no formal confirmation of any of those three players' intentions; but media reporting (wg=hich has been ignored) put Flynn and Riccardi as re-signing and mummy retiring.

I guess we'll see what happens, but it's not hard to see both Flynn and Briggs remain at GWS next year - Preuss has proven this year to be a bit fragile, and I suspect all 3 will harbour a view that thye can become the #1 ruckman for Giants. At least I hope so!

Giant Strides · Sep 26, 2021

Cameron_Jezza said:
ALSO when do memberships go on sale.
My young son wants us to get a Giants membership for 2022 ( so we can go to about 5-6 games in sydney)..

I've seen October been used in communications from the club - just not sure when, whether early or later. We welcome your son (and you?) to the club - hopefully footy will be open to crowds next year.

Hendo_21 · Sep 26, 2021

Giant Strides said:
I suspect because some people get their info from Footywire - and in this case (and many others), Footywire is incorrect.
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And this article from the Giants' media team is the proof. Possibly someone saw the headline 'two more years', and didn't bother to work out that he was only in his first year, hence the timeframe was 2021 & 2022, not 2020 & 2021.

Briggs Buys In

Promising Western Sydney ruckman Kieren Briggs is the latest GIANT to extend his contract with the club, re-signing for another two years.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

By Alison Zell on Aug 7, 2019, 8:52pm

Promising Western Sydney ruckman Kieren Briggs is the latest GIANT to extend his contract with the club, re-signing for another two years. Briggs said he’s enjoying his first year in GIANTS colours and looking forward to his continued development. Already contracted for an initial two years after he was drafted, Briggs has extended through to the end of 2022.

I guess technically the article is correct - there has been no formal confirmation of any of those three players' intentions; but media reporting (wg=hich has been ignored) put Flynn and Riccardi as re-signing and mummy retiring.

I guess we'll see what happens, but it's not hard to see both Flynn and Briggs remain at GWS next year - Preuss has proven this year to be a bit fragile, and I suspect all 3 will harbour a view that thye can become the #1 ruckman for Giants. At least I hope so!

Hope so! I think Flynn is probably best as a third tall forward and then is like a mega pinch hit ruckmen to give whoever a breather. He looked like a really strong mark and set shot last as he played more forward.

Orange crush · Sep 26, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Hope so! I think Flynn is probably best as a third tall forward and then is like a mega pinch hit ruckmen to give whoever a breather. He looked like a really strong mark and set shot last as he played more forward.

I agree .... Flynn forward with Preuss/Briggs as main ruck .... I think there’s just a lot of lazy reporting when it comes to Gws as media love to paint our list management as a shambles

Colonial · Sep 26, 2021

The media were running with Ward was out of contract, while Davis was signed, for a while this year. They seem to struggle outside the fishbowl.

Giant Strides · Sep 26, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Hope so! I think Flynn is probably best as a third tall forward and then is like a mega pinch hit ruckmen to give whoever a breather. He looked like a really strong mark and set shot last as he played more forward.

Yes, I wouldn't mind trying Flynn at centre bounces, then moves into the F50 to play forward. Briggs comes on to ruck around the grounds.

Notwithstanding Zach Sproule's good play in the latter part of season 2021, using Flynn in that manner, plus Hogan as another contested marking forward, then HH (or Zach or ToJ - which is probably why ToJ is expendable) as the roaming KPF gives us as good a set-up as we'll get with who we've got on the list.

Giant Strides · Sep 26, 2021

General Giant said:
The media were running with Ward was out of contract, while Davis was signed, for a while this year. They seem to struggle outside the fishbowl.

And that fishbowl is stuck up their own arse!

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