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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
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GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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I'd love to know what we've said to him in terms of a position. Hopefully not more ''tall winger'' role, but decide on either KPF or KPD and give him a consistent run there.

If we're into Mac Andrew from the draft, and long term he's a ruck, but in the meantime he'll have to play either as a developing KPF or KPD, then Brander is presumably playing the role that we don't perceive Mac Andrew to take on? Or, we're playing games around Andrew, and actually favour Gibcus, with Brander set to become a forward.

And if we currently have 5 spots available for the ND, and 5 picks worth points ... we're presumably going to have to delist someone currently on the main list if we bring Brander on as a DFA before the ND ... otherwise we'll waste a pick. Unless we're prepared to forgo the 80 odd points that current pick #71 would bring when it comes into about #66 after the early father-son bid matches. Alternatively, we look to trade out a pick into next year's draft ... although we still have to draft 3 players so we'd be taking someone with a very late pick. It's probably easy enough to delist say Lachie Keeffe, who no-one else will pick up, and then put onto our rookie list.
 
Orange crush said:
He’s apparently 198 cm having grown a bit after drafting .... might help us down back for the first half of the season
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Yeah I can see him as a 'Tomlinson style' tall utility on the wing and swung around depending on scoreline.
I think this preseason they will be trying to mould Brander/Sproule/Riccardi as extra tall defenders.
Maybe not with the long term plan of keeping them there full time but more as insurance on the health of tall defensive stocks.
Can't see how Sproule gets a game otherwise with Preuss and Flynn/Briggs likely to play duel Ruck/Forward combo.
Sproule certainly has the 'Never say die' attitude for a defensive player.
 

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Hendo_21 said:
If the plan is to play him as a forward wouldn’t rule out Gibcus just yet with our first pick
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captainMyCaptain said:
Depends how much weight there is to the flight risk stories about Gibcus
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I wonder if we see Mac Andrew as capable of playing how Leek Alleer plays, so as a defender whose primary weapon is to intercept? And then with a bit of weight, build up to being a ruckman.

Or otherwise, we feel happy with the KPD stock that we have, and are going to plonk Mac on a wing, similar to how Bombers usually play Nik Cox.
 
Giant Strides said:
I wonder if we see Mac Andrew as capable of playing how Leek Alleer plays, so as a defender whose primary weapon is to intercept? And then with a bit of weight, build up to being a ruckman.

Or otherwise, we feel happy with the KPD stock that we have, and are going to plonk Mac on a wing, similar to how Bombers usually play Nik Cox.
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Andrew on a wing feels like such a waste to me he has these fantastic athletic gifts that should be leveraged in the air up forward or down back when developing don't think he has the field kicking required in order to be a quality wingmen unnlike Cox who is a really nice kick. We have such a log jam of talls at the moment I can't imagine them taking another one right? Riccardi, Sproule, Brander, Flynn, Briggs, Preuss (all playable 2nd/3rd talls with some ruck flexibility) and now maybe Andrew as well unless we see one of them transition to a new position (likely down back), I understand depth is important and we need to have quality reserves but that would be an abundance and would likely mean at least some of them consider options elsewhere. Ever since the inital Mac Andrews reports came out a few months ago it hasn't made sense to me especially at 2 where no one else is going to take him, about a month away from the draft it seems to make even less sense now then it did before.
 
Hendo_21 said:
Andrew on a wing feels like such a waste to me he has these fantastic athletic gifts that should be leveraged in the air up forward or down back when developing don't think he has the field kicking required in order to be a quality wingmen unnlike Cox who is a really nice kick. We have such a log jam of talls at the moment I can't imagine them taking another one right? Riccardi, Sproule, Brander, Flynn, Briggs, Preuss (all playable 2nd/3rd talls with some ruck flexibility) and now maybe Andrew as well unless we see one of them transition to a new position (likely down back), I understand depth is important and we need to have quality reserves but that would be an abundance and would likely mean at least some of them consider options elsewhere. Ever since the inital Mac Andrews reports came out a few months ago it hasn't made sense to me especially at 2 where no one else is going to take him, about a month away from the draft it seems to make even less sense now then it did before.
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From the vision I've seen he looks like a pretty sweet kick of the football so I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'd imagine Mac probably won't play much in the first year at all. Depends how quickly he puts on weight.
As for the 'Logjam of talls'
I have to disagree with you on that one. Sproule/Riccardi/Briggs and maybe Brander might only get opportunity at AFL level if we are dealing with injuries to our main forwards/Rucks.

Mac is a completely different kind of Ruck prospect than Flynn/Briggs/Preuss....who I believe are Mummy-esque.
But to draft a player who has the capacity to turn into the next Nic Nat is a prospect I think the Giants would be very keen.

Our best players have always been drafted and developed at the Giants (Bar a few early pick ups).
I think that's in our DNA as a smaller market team.

Clearly I'm team MAC.

If we have have a log jam anywhere in our list....it's inside mids....so Callaghan (although I think he will be an incredible player) just doesn't suit us right now.

I fully expect to be proved 100% wrong on draft night. 😂
 
PaythePerryman said:
From the vision I've seen he looks like a pretty sweet kick of the football so I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'd imagine Mac probably won't play much in the first year at all. Depends how quickly he puts on weight.
As for the 'Logjam of talls'
I have to disagree with you on that one. Sproule/Riccardi/Briggs and maybe Brander might only get opportunity at AFL level if we are dealing with injuries to our main forwards/Rucks.

Mac is a completely different kind of Ruck prospect than Flynn/Briggs/Preuss....who I believe are Mummy-esque.
But to draft a player who has the capacity to turn into the next Nic Nat is a prospect I think the Giants would be very keen.

Our best players have always been drafted and developed at the Giants (Bar a few early pick ups).
I think that's in our DNA as a smaller market team.

Clearly I'm team MAC.

If we have have a log jam anywhere in our list....it's inside mids....so Callaghan (although I think he will be an incredible player) just doesn't suit us right now.

I fully expect to be proved 100% wrong on draft night. 😂
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Not a draft expert but I think you are selling Callaghan short ... he seems a LOT more than another inside mid
 
PaythePerryman said:
From the vision I've seen he looks like a pretty sweet kick of the football so I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'd imagine Mac probably won't play much in the first year at all. Depends how quickly he puts on weight.
As for the 'Logjam of talls'
I have to disagree with you on that one. Sproule/Riccardi/Briggs and maybe Brander might only get opportunity at AFL level if we are dealing with injuries to our main forwards/Rucks.

Mac is a completely different kind of Ruck prospect than Flynn/Briggs/Preuss....who I believe are Mummy-esque.
But to draft a player who has the capacity to turn into the next Nic Nat is a prospect I think the Giants would be very keen.

Our best players have always been drafted and developed at the Giants (Bar a few early pick ups).
I think that's in our DNA as a smaller market team.

Clearly I'm team MAC.

If we have have a log jam anywhere in our list....it's inside mids....so Callaghan (although I think he will be an incredible player) just doesn't suit us right now.

I fully expect to be proved 100% wrong on draft night. 😂
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The difference between Flynn/Briggs and lets say best case scenario Mac turns into a Nic Nat-esque ruckmen isn't that great, what's ultimately going to determine the productivity of the midfield is the players at the ruckmens feet and if a combo of Flynn and Briggs ends up being a B+ compared to an A+ for Mac (unlikely but we'll go with it) then that's not really going to change the trajectory of this team that much unless Mac also develops into a really quality forward as well. Ruck just isn't a super valuable position and the difference between the best and pretty good (which is a very safe bet for Briggs and Flynn) isn't all that much. I know I've said this a bunch but I'm of the opinion that Briggs and Flynn should be the two rucks moving forward as they're young and good and play a two way style that compliments the weaknesses of the mids. Callaghan also has tremendous flexibility and could thrive on the outside playing more of a reciever and deliver role as opposed to ball hunter.
 

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