Opinion 2021 Non-Crows AFL 3: Things Fall Apart!

[Amacca 23]

oh don't worry - they are finals bound next year apparently

Carlton president makes bold finals prediction hours after parting ways with Teague

"We will be uncompromising."

www.sen.com.au

Carlton president Luke Sayers has boldly declared their intent to play finals next season, just hours after parting ways with David Teague.

The club released a summary of findings from the review on Thursday morning, which eventually saw Teague depart the club after a tumultuous week as part of a raft of changes in the football department and at board level.



“Our expectation based on the list that we have, we are looking to make finals in 2022,” Sayers told reporters.

“The Carlton Football Club is pursing winning games, getting ourselves into finals and winning premierships.

 

[dogs105]

I'd like to see Truck win a flag... as head coach of another club

The Crows?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Has a review ever come back saying that things are rotten to the core?

Always seems to be a couple of bits that can be identified and conveniently cut away

Here's my take .....I was actually going to call in, but I couldn't stop laughing at Sayers Interview

1. Bolton was in part sacked because he was too defensive and the media were hanging it on CARL for not scoring

2. So CARL respond by appointing an offensive Coach, who oversaw a great FWD line at the Crows .....that's not an over reaction is it

3. So now CARL are too offensive and need better DEF .....are we seeing a cycle here ....so they ge one of the most criticised defensive Coach's in Ross Lyon

4. So all other aspects of the Carlton Footy Club are OK ......but hang-on, if Lloyd is retained as footy boss, who made the call to chase and recruit OFFENSIVE players Saad and Zilliams ? .....particularly if you have identified a weakness in the team to defend

Zilliams, Saad, Docherty, don't have a defensive bone in their body

This was contradictory to everything & highlights that CALt are again jumping at shadows & don't have a clear path .....and more importantly a connection between recruitment, the footy boss, Board, and the Coach

 

[beartoo]

Pearesque.

oh don't worry - they are finals bound next year apparently

Carlton president makes bold finals prediction hours after parting ways with Teague

"We will be uncompromising."

www.sen.com.au

Carlton president Luke Sayers has boldly declared their intent to play finals next season, just hours after parting ways with David Teague.

The club released a summary of findings from the review on Thursday morning, which eventually saw Teague depart the club after a tumultuous week as part of a raft of changes in the football department and at board level.



“Our expectation based on the list that we have, we are looking to make finals in 2022,” Sayers told reporters.

“The Carlton Football Club is pursing winning games, getting ourselves into finals and winning premierships.

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[Twist_of_Lemon]

Blues posters blaming COVID.

Glory be, Ive heard it all now.

How many * suffixes are they ascribing to this season ? Only big brain AFL Mensa members understand that this season deserves at least two *s. /s

 

[Twist_of_Lemon]

Has a review ever come back saying that things are rotten to the core?

Always seems to be a couple of bits that can be identified and conveniently cut away

Not being facetious here, but how many reviews have been 100% external with absolutely zero personal or professional same-industry ties to any C-level at the place being reviewed, essentially avoiding all cronyism?

To slip on my tinfoil hat, I would eyeball the AFL as far too insular to allow rotten-to-the-core to fly as an outcome. There always seems to be just enough kudos provided so that even when the incumbent C-levels are escorted off stage like Comic Book Guy at a bachelor raffle they can musical-chair into another C-level position and no-one bats an eyelid.

 

[FR0GGY]

It is a quaint ground. Really just a big suburban ground.

But to present the Grand Final, it doesn't stack up image wise to the Gabba and Perth stadium.


Gil didn't even have a discussion with Marshall anyway. So AO was never in consideration and I suspect that is due to the image of the showcase game.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

Nah nothing to do with image and everything to do with crowd restrictions

 

[FR0GGY]

That would be one of the biggest plot twists in human history

Second only to his own fake death

 

[Thetrader15]

Statement from Carlton president Luke Sayers
I can confirm that the Club has today finalised the key outcomes of an independent football department review.
As part of this process, external panel members Geoff Walsh, Graham Lowe and Matthew Pavlich last week delivered a final report to myself, the Club’s Board of Directors, and CEO Cain Liddle, which was shared with leaders of the football department this week.
Following this consultation process, the Club was able to complete its thorough and extensive review process that has been underpinned by one objective – the improvement of the Club’s on-field performance to take the football department forward.
We are now able to confirm that after taking sufficient time to process the information from the review, the decision has been made to part ways with Senior Coach David Teague, while assistant coach Dale Amos has also been informed he will not be offered a new contract.
Decisions relating to the football department review
We understand our members and supporters expect more from our on-field performance and expect us to consistently win games of football. There is no hiding from the fact that to date, we have fallen short of that expectation, based on the fact our performances have plateaued over the last two seasons from a win-loss perspective.
As a result, the Board instigated an external review of the Club’s football department. The review was to explore all aspects of the football department including the performance of management, coaching staff and players. The aim was to identify barriers to on-field success and to develop recommendations to help create the foundations for future success.
After reviewing and considering the findings, following the conclusion of our season we provided the opportunity for our senior leaders within the football department to provide feedback on the contents of the review. Having met today it was made clear that in order for us to achieve our objective, changes to the coaching personnel were required, including the Senior Coach position.
The review has found that while the coaching group had the expertise required, it had been unable to have an effective impact on a playing group that is required to deliver results at the elite level.
It was identified that there had been confusion associated with the game plan at times and on-field, the team has underdelivered in its ability to consistently defend, win the contest and apply pressure.
This was highlighted, but not limited to, an overt, consistent focus on offence at a detriment to the defensive side of the game.
While the easier option would have been to wait a further 12 months in the hope these deficiencies would change, the in-depth data gained over a significant period of time as part of this review process left no doubt that such an option would not be in the best interests of the Club. As such, it would have been irresponsible to ignore the decisions that had to be made.
These decisions are incredibly difficult to make, and while we understand some will not agree with them, we entered this process knowing that if we refuse to act on decisions solely because they were difficult, we would be ignoring our responsibility to the Club, our members and our supporters.
There can be absolutely no denying that David Teague gave everything as Senior Coach of our football club. He demonstrated care and commitment on a consistent basis, and he never wavered from wanting to make the Carlton Football Club a better place.
While that has not translated into the on-field results we had hoped, we are certainly better for having David as an integral part of our football club for the last four years, two of which were as our Senior Coach.
We also extend our sincere thanks to Dale Amos, who departs the Club having dedicated enormous time and energy to making us a better football club, much of which happened without public recognition but was no doubt appreciated by all those he worked alongside.
Key findings of the review
In general, the independent panel found the football department to be well managed and with a good focus on people and processes. The review panel identified specific opportunities for the football department to improve and support a higher level of on-field performance.
In summary, the review panel also found:

• Whilst management and staff were found to be capable and committed to the success of Carlton Football Club, and demonstrating a positive mindset, there is a requirement for stronger leadership, more experienced coaching, and improvements in player development.
• There has been confusion associated with the game plan at times and on-field, the team has underdelivered in its ability to consistently defend, win the contest and apply pressure.
• There is a high level of expertise in the high-performance area, however opportunity exists to clearly define roles and responsibilities.
• Good list management processes are now in place, including detailed analysis undertaken to support list management and recruitment decisions.
• The Club has excellent facilities which reflects the ambition to compete against the best performing teams in the AFL.
• We were pleased that the final report delivered by the external panel outlined a number of areas our football department had been performing strongly, relating to areas of football strategy, list management, systems and operations, with quality people committed to what they’re doing.

The review has been incredibly helpful for management and the Board to gain external expertise, critical opinion of our program and how we can improve ourselves to achieve on-field success going forward.
Our Board and CEO Cain Liddle will now work with Head of Football Brad Lloyd and the key leaders of our football department to deliver the key areas of improvement I have detailed for you in the summary above.
It is now the responsibility of everyone in our football department, players, coaches and staff, as well as the Board, to make these necessary improvements in order to ensure the Carlton Football Club remains focused on achieving our ultimate, long-term goal – winning premierships.
Going forward, our priority is now the recruitment of a new Senior Coach. Further details will be communicated in due course.
Four new Directors join the Board
As we look to the future, I’m pleased to inform you that there are also significant changes we are making as a Board.
As you’d be aware, following a successful transition and succession plan, Mark LoGiudice has concluded his tenure on the Board after 12 years, eight of those as President.
I also wanted to inform you that Jeanne Pratt, Chris Judd and Christopher Townshend have made the decision to retire from their Director positions.
Jeanne concludes her long and dedicated service to the football club which dates back to 2011 as a Director. I’m sure most Carlton people will also appreciate her contribution over the many years prior, including alongside her late husband Richard, who answered the call to serve as President during an incredibly difficult time from 2007 – 2008. Jeanne will continue to be recognised as an official club patron moving forward.
Chris Judd joined the Board in 2017, serving as Director of Football following his 14-year playing career and we thank him for his long service to the football club. I also want to acknowledge Christopher Townshend, who has been instrumental in setting the Club up for the successful completion of the most significant redevelopment of IKON Park in its proud history. Chris leaves the Board on the basis that the Masterplan strategy and approval process has now reached a stage where he is confident its completion can be overseen in his role as chair of the Infrastructure sub committee.
We are certainly grateful to Mark, Jeanne, Chris Judd and Christopher Townshend for their contributions to the Club and we thank them for their service.
Now, we look forward to commencing a reset of the Board of our football club, with a single-minded focus towards our on-field performance.
With change to now take place in four of the eight Director positions as a result of the casual vacancies created, this provides us with a unique opportunity to add to our existing skills-based Board and inject fresh viewpoints and diverse ways of thinking, which will benefit our entire football club moving forward.
In line with the Club’s constitution, the Board is charged with appointing new Directors. After a thorough and considered process and in line with the constitutional process in place to ensure there is appropriate succession planning and renewal of the Board based on the skills required at the time, the Independent Nominations Committee (INC) has recommended that the Board appoint four suitability qualified persons to be Directors of the Club and I am now in a position to share these appointments with you today.
The first is someone known to every Carlton person, with 1995 Premiership player, Norm Smith Medallist and dual Brownlow Medallist Greg Williams making a commitment to return to the Club and fill the role of Director of Football. A hard, uncompromising footballer, Williams played 250 games, 109 of those in the Navy Blue guernsey. As well as earning a decorated career during arguably football’s toughest era, Williams also spent time as part of the Club’s coaching staff as a skills coach until early 2020. He has a firm belief of what is required to return the Blues to a successful football club once again and will help drive the standards required to get there.
Tim Lincoln brings a wealth of data and analytics experience, having co-founded Lincoln Indicators 30 years ago, which has now grown into one of Australia’s leading experts in actively managed investment funds. Tim has been a Blues supporter, sponsor and member for over 50 years. By joining the Carlton board, Tim’s goal is to collaboratively guide the Club to create competitive advantages by applying his data analysis to significantly enhance decision making processes and improve the probability of successful outcomes, provide meaningful insights and introduce strong accountability metrics.
Lahra Carey joins the Board as an experienced communications strategist. She has provided Australia’s blue-chip companies, best known brands, not-for-profit organisations and government departments with strategic corporate communications. She uses her experience and knowledge to leverage leadership positioning on behalf of the organisations she works with. She is the founder and co-principal of PR consultancy narrative, as well as NewsFlash Media, which develops and delivers purpose-built media and presentation training programs for senior executives and other key staff.
Robert Priestley is currently the Chairman of J.P. Morgan Australia & New Zealand. He has over 35 years of experience in the Financial Services industry, working in senior management roles across Australia & New Zealand, Europe, the Middle East and Africa and Asia Pacific regions. His strengths include leadership, culture and the alignment of stakeholder interests through strong communication and partnership, which has enabled him to be a key driver in growing and developing businesses and will lead the Club’s growth in this space including the Sydney market.
We thank Greg, Tim, Lahra and Robert, all life-long Carlton supporters and members, for showing a commitment to come forward with demonstrated expertise and unique skillsets in order to help make the Carlton Football Club a more successful organisation both on and off the field.
This is an important time to reset our football club, and we as the Board are fully committed to help drive that by leading by example.
Our AFL and AFLW playing groups are now well placed to pursue on-field success in the coming seasons, supported by our incredibly strong off-field position that is underpinned by new facilities and sustainable revenue streams.
Our refreshed board will bring with it a new way of thinking, underlined by a clear focus of our responsibility to you, our members.
As always, I thank you for you continued support of the Club.

This says the key issues are:

• here is a requirement for stronger leadership, more experienced coaching, and improvements in player development.
• There has been confusion associated with the game plan at times and on-field, the team has underdelivered in its ability to consistently defend, win the contest and apply pressure.
• There is a high level of expertise in the high-performance area, however opportunity exists to clearly define roles and responsibilities.

So who was it that made the decision to recruit the last 2 inexperienced coaches?

You'd hope those involved who made the same mistake twice are leaving the club.

 

[FR0GGY]

Has a review ever come back saying that things are rotten to the core?

Always seems to be a couple of bits that can be identified and conveniently cut away

Ours would have gone close if they did off field too.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not being facetious here, but how many reviews have been 100% external with absolutely zero personal or professional same-industry ties to any C-level at the place being reviewed, essentially avoiding all cronyism?

To slip on my tinfoil hat, I would eyeball the AFL as far too insular to allow rotten-to-the-core to fly as an outcome. There always seems to be just enough kudos provided so that even when the incumbent C-levels are escorted off stage like Comic Book Guy at a bachelor raffle they can musical-chair into another C-level position and no-one bats an eyelid.

OK here's another take ......is it normal for an external review to arrive at a recommendation that the gameplan by CARL was too offensive ?????

I understand if the Coach has lost the players, or there was an organization disconnect .....but all the emphasis by Sayers was about the gameplan ......me thinks he added some personal thoughts

 

[Twist_of_Lemon]

OK here's another take ......is it normal for an external review to arrive at a recommendation that the gameplan by CARL was too offensive ?????

I understand if the Coach has lost the players, or there was an organization disconnect .....but all the emphasis by Sayers was about the gameplan ......me thinks he added some personal thoughts

There's always that one guy who takes their long-desired opportunity to bop someone in a brawl when the person's too busy grappling with other dudes.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not being facetious here, but how many reviews have been 100% external with absolutely zero personal or professional same-industry ties to any C-level at the place being reviewed, essentially avoiding all cronyism?

To slip on my tinfoil hat, I would eyeball the AFL as far too insular to allow rotten-to-the-core to fly as an outcome. There always seems to be just enough kudos provided so that even when the incumbent C-levels are escorted off stage like Comic Book Guy at a bachelor raffle they can musical-chair into another C-level position and no-one bats an eyelid.

Given that the reviewers are being paid by the club for their time and expertise too

If the reviewers recommend the board dissolves itself they probably won't get too many more gigs

 

[Scorpus]

Given that the reviewers are being paid by the club for their time and expertise too

If the reviewers recommend the board dissolves itself they probably won't get too many more gigs

Isn't the old saying that you only call for an audit to come to decisions that have already been made?

 

[Gtowncrow]

Lyon. ******* awful decision if it goes that way.

They deserve each other...

 

[Thetrader15]

OK here's another take ......is it normal for an external review to arrive at a recommendation that the gameplan by CARL was too offensive ?????

I understand if the Coach has lost the players, or there was an organization disconnect .....but all the emphasis by Sayers was about the gameplan ......me thinks he added some personal thoughts

There were 3 reviewers, only one who played AFL football in the last 30 years. So this must be the opinion of Pavlich alone.

Wouldn't a cheaper option be to talk to the coach about the gameplan?

 

[Twist_of_Lemon]

Isn't the old saying that you only call for an audit to come to decisions that have already been made?

Kangaroo court reviews are a perfectly cromulent means of surviving the world of fake it til you make it. No-one wants to be found out as being just as incompetent as other people.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There were 3 reviewers, only one who played AFL football in the last 30 years. So this must be the opinion of Pavlich alone.

Wouldn't a cheaper option be to talk to the coach about the gameplan?

It's not up to the external review process to decide how CARL will play or should play .....they're there to analyze process's and people only, in respect to how they do their job, the support mechanism's ...and how well the various dept's harmoniously gel

 

[GrommoT]

They must have either Clarko or Lyon locked in.

Absolutely no way would they sack him with a year to go if Clarko is available next year. If Clarko 100% isnt coaching in 2022, then Lyon must be their man.

Some footy show with several blokes and a sheila yesterday reported Clarko had formally rejected any interest in the bLoos' job, while Lyons seemed to not want to say anything.


Anyway, compulsive viewing they are...

 

[MRB37]

Teague was a disaster idea based on Carlton's recruiting. If you had of put him with a team like ours is now, where he can draft them and mold then from youngsters then I think he'd be OK. But he's too nice of a guy and you bring in senior players on big contracts who've been made promises by the list management department on what is expected of them it becomes a big mess when they don't do what the coaches ask ("I'm not here to ****ing defend" is what I was told Saad said to Teague during a blow up where Teague pointed out his lack of defensive pressure) and don't feel any repercussions from it cause the coach wants everyone to be happy.

 

[MRB37]

This says the key issues are:.

• There is a high level of expertise in the high-performance area, however opportunity exists to clearly define roles and responsibilities.

My Carlton mate did make reference to Andrew Russell needing to "stay in his lane". Not exactly sure what he's doing, maybe putting input in on coaching/recruitment?

EDIT: I asked him, he said Carlton got Andrew Russell across from Hawthorn by promising to "upskill" him through the football department so he could potentially get a head of the football department gig. Unfortunately that has seen him spend too much time away from the fitness department and not concentrating fully on his core duties.

 

[relapse]

oh don't worry - they are finals bound next year apparently

Carlton president makes bold finals prediction hours after parting ways with Teague

"We will be uncompromising."

www.sen.com.au

Carlton president Luke Sayers has boldly declared their intent to play finals next season, just hours after parting ways with David Teague.

The club released a summary of findings from the review on Thursday morning, which eventually saw Teague depart the club after a tumultuous week as part of a raft of changes in the football department and at board level.



“Our expectation based on the list that we have, we are looking to make finals in 2022,” Sayers told reporters.

“The Carlton Football Club is pursing winning games, getting ourselves into finals and winning premierships.

Just as I predicted the other day

They sack Teague with a list that's half way through a rebuild and then throw money at an experienced coach with the expectation that they will magically be able to deliver instant success with a subpar list.

This has the makings of being another Dennis Pagan/Mick Malthouse level disaster.

Carlton have clearly learned nothing

 

[Crow till I die]

Just as I predicted the other day

They sack Teague with a list that's half way through a rebuild and then throw money at an experienced coach with the expectation that they will magically be able to deliver instant success with a subpar list.

This has the makings of being another Dennis Pagan/Mick Malthouse level disaster.

Carlton have clearly learned nothing

I don't know what to make of their list. They have some A grade talent there but seem to almost squeeze the life out of them and they just don't seem to play anything like what they potentially could apart from Walsh and probably Weitering and maybe 1 or 2 others week in week out

 

[Crow-eater]

The Carlton soap opera keeps getting better

 

[CrowEater888]

Not being facetious here, but how many reviews have been 100% external with absolutely zero personal or professional same-industry ties to any C-level at the place being reviewed, essentially avoiding all cronyism?

To slip on my tinfoil hat, I would eyeball the AFL as far too insular to allow rotten-to-the-core to fly as an outcome. There always seems to be just enough kudos provided so that even when the incumbent C-levels are escorted off stage like Comic Book Guy at a bachelor raffle they can musical-chair into another C-level position and no-one bats an eyelid.

I know what you're saying, but Comic Book Guy is happily married to Kumiko