List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

George · Aug 22, 2021

Delisted;
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Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle
Shaun McKernan

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones - Link
6. Sebastian Ross (RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
15. Jack Billings (RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder - Link
24. James Frawley - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
38. Oscar Clavarino - Link
39. Darragh Joyce - Link
41. Paul Hunter - Link
42. Max Heath - Link
45. Sam Alabakis - Link

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Mikka84 · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
There's no obsession with us taking them with every pick but since Gresham we've used one top 40 pick on a mid (Clark) and 3 on key forwards (King, Battle, Allison).

There was no reason we couldn't use a late pick on a key forward.

Gresh is a forward anyway. Don’t try and convince me otherwise.

bird_man · May 23, 2021

Mikka84 said:
Gresh is a forward anyway. Don’t try and convince me otherwise.

He may be but I'm talking about when they were drafted. He was a genuine mid at TAC cup level.

Clark is the only mid we've used with a decent pick and we refuse to play him there.

Without a strong midfield we are going nowhere. I don't see the point on spending good picks on players because we lack depth.

Jackson Callow could have solved that issue with a rookie pick.

stavro#4 · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
Just don't see it happening. There was the same talk around Crouch last year and he was band 3.

His current deal with us is between
700-750.

Matching that deal gets us a top end compo.

According to Tom Morris the Roos are very interested. So why would Billings leave for less then he is on now?

Secondly, we can force clubs to the table for a deal aswell or match if it is unders.

stavro#4 · May 23, 2021

Mikka84 said:
Gresh is a forward anyway. Don’t try and convince me otherwise.

He is his most dangerous up forward.

But that’s also ignoring how good he is with his clearance work and his ability to accumulate touches

bird_man · May 23, 2021

stavro#4 said:
His current deal with us is between
700-750.

Matching that deal gets us a compo.

According to Tom Morris the Roos are very interested. So why would Billings leave for less then he is on now?

Secondly, we can force clubs to the table for a deal aswell or match if it is unders.

Because he is over paid right now and we won't offer him that deal again. He was in the form of his life when he signed that contract.

stavro#4 · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
Because he is over paid right now and we won't offer him that deal again. He was in the form of his life when he signed that contract.

According to most he is playing great football this year aswell. What’s your point here?

Do you think if he goes to north he will go for market rate or an inflated rate?

BrutThough · May 23, 2021

Mowman said:
we need more of everything

Absolutely we do. But by taking Allison, it's not like we were ignoring a gaping hole on our list and took something we don't need.

Allison played his best game so far yesterday. We took him knowing he would would take some time, so lets give him some time to show what he is before declaring he was a mistake.

parkeysainter · May 23, 2021

2020 Trevor Barker Award | TOP 10
1. Jack Steele (207)
2. Dan Butler (126)
3. Dougal Howard (122)
4. Rowan Marshall (120)
5. Nick Coffield (119)
6. Zak Jones (117)
7. Callum Wilkie (113)
8. Paddy Ryder (107)
9. Hunter Clark (100)
10. Sebastian Ross (92)

Ryder and Ross only over 25's so our youth is actually very good in the 20 something bracket. We need new draftees though.

parkeysainter · May 23, 2021

BrutThough said:
Absolutely we do. But by taking Allison, it's not like we were ignoring a gaping hole on our list and took something we don't need.

Allison played his best game so far yesterday. We took him knowing he would would take some time, so lets give him some time to show what he is before declaring he was a mistake.

Agreed. Will be good. Give the kid lots of time. First bloody year FFS. He is 19.

Let the poor kid develop at Sandy all year. It's paid off with Leo Connelly who I reckon will debut this week.

stavro#4 · May 23, 2021

parkeysainter said:
2020 Trevor Barker Award | TOP 10
1. Jack Steele (207)
2. Dan Butler (126)
3. Dougal Howard (122)
4. Rowan Marshall (120)
5. Nick Coffield (119)
6. Zak Jones (117)
7. Callum Wilkie (113)
8. Paddy Ryder (107)
9. Hunter Clark (100)
10. Sebastian Ross (92)

Ryder and Ross only over 25's so our youth is actually very good in the 20 something bracket. We need new draftees though.

It’s a really poor season that started bad with injuries and hasn’t really improved. We probably don’t know yet but it wouldn’t surprise me if there was a lot of injuries throughout pre season too.

Anyway hit the draft hard this year. The top half a dozen are all good mids apparently.

BrutThough · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
There's no obsession with us taking them with every pick but since Gresham we've used one top 40 pick on a mid (Clark) and 3 on key forwards (King, Battle, Allison).

There was no reason we couldn't use a late pick on a key forward.

Does it really matter if we took a mid with pick 26 or with pick 50?

Mowman · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
Because he is over paid right now and we won't offer him that deal again. He was in the form of his life when he signed that contract.

Morris said this that he is on a juicy contract now and we wont want to pay him that again

bird_man · May 23, 2021

stavro#4 said:
According to most he is playing great football this year aswell. What’s your point here?

Do you think if he goes to north he will go for market rate or an inflated rate?

My point is that he was in the form of his life when he signed the contract. That was pretty obvious because I said exactly that.

He got 9 Brownlow votes in the first half of that year when he signed his contract from memory and than I don't think he got one after that.

He was also 2 years younger and loomed like he might go ally be tracking to that elite area. I think now most know what you see is what you are most likely going to get.

He's been solid this year, one of our better players, but not great and not as good as he was when he signed that contract.

bird_man · May 23, 2021

BrutThough said:
Does it really matter if we took a mid with pick 26 or with pick 50?

Yes, because history tells you you are more likely to get a better player the higher up the draft you go and we need a quality mid much more than we need a key forward.

Not a great deal of quality mids get taken after pick 30 or 40

And also the fact that there were obvious selections with that pick, instead we took a project tall to fill depth.

bird_man · May 23, 2021

Mowman said:
Morris said this that he is on a juicy contract now and we wont want to pay him that again

Of course we won't, because he hasn't lived up to it.

Mowman · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
Of course we won't, because he hasn't lived up to it.

Did he live up to the one he is on ?

bird_man · May 23, 2021

Mowman said:
Did he live up to the one he is on ?

No, that is my point.

stavro#4 · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
My point is that he was in the form of his life when he signed the contract. That was pretty obvious because I said exactly that.

He got 9 Brownlow votes in the first half of that year when he signed his contract from memory and than I don't think he got one after that.

He was also 2 years younger and loomed like he might go ally be tracking to that elite area. I think now most know what you see is what you are most likely going to get.

He's been solid this year, one of our better players, but not great and not as good as he was when he signed that contract.

Don’t preach to me. I don’t think he is a star.

However I think a club like north or essendon would pay it no issues.

He is a good player. If he was at a club where there was 4-5 a graders around him and he could get off the chain. He would be better.

He can’t carry a club.

BrutThough · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
Yes, because history tells you you are more likely to get a better player the higher up the draft you go and we need a quality mid much more than we need a key forward.

Not a great deal of quality mids get taken after pick 30 or 40

And also the fact that there were obvious selections with that pick, instead we took a project tall to fill depth.

Are young mids a bigger priority right now? Looking at our young players, we have more mids in that category than KPPs.

And couldn't the same logic about quality mids being taken early in the draft apply to forwards as well? Either way, one position had to be taken with an early pick and someone had to be taken with the late pick.

We took Allison knowing he would take some time. So let's give him to some to find his feet before criticising the decision to take him.

bird_man · May 23, 2021

BrutThough said:
Are young mids a bigger priority right now? Looking at our young players, we have more mids in that category than KPPs.

And couldn't the same logic about quality mids being taken early in the draft apply to forwards as well? Either way, one position had to be taken with an early pick and someone had to be taken with the late pick.

We took Allison knowing he would take some time. So let's give him to some to find his feet before criticising the decision to take him.

Yes they, because right now our midfield is 2nd rate and I can't see anyone really changing that. We have Dunstan in the VFL and that's it.

We are expected to believe Jack Bytel will be the saviour getting 15 touches a game.

My point was we took Allison because we lack depth in the key forward department. We could have got a depth project key forward with a late pick.

I didn't like the decision at the time and nothing has happened to change my mind. I'm happy to give Allison time, I've said all along he's going to take a long time but it doesn't mean I can't disagree with the selection.

Also, you can never have enough mids. If they all end up guns you play a couple on the flank. Right now one gun woukd be good though.

Ephemeral Hope · May 23, 2021

bird_man said:
Yes they, because right now our midfield is 2nd rate and I can't see anyone really changing that. We have Dunstan in the VFL and that's it.

We are expected to believe Jack Bytel will be the saviour getting 15 touches a game.

My point was we took Allison because we lack depth in the key forward department. We could have got a depth project key forward with a late pick.

I didn't like the decision at the time and nothing has happened to change my mind. I'm happy to give Allison time, I've said all along he's going to take a long time but it doesn't mean I can't disagree with the selection.

to be fair it's the quality of the touches Bytel gets. In every game they're not just cheapies on the side he's getting hard contested ball and hitting targets which shows promise

bird_man · May 23, 2021

Ephemeral Hope said:
to be fair it's the quality of the touches Bytel gets. In every game they're not just cheapies on the side he's getting hard contested ball and hitting targets which shows promise

I don't disagree that he's good at winning he isn't showing some good signs, but not enough to suggest he's going to be an elite mid and we don't have to worry about drafting more

Diehard Saint · May 23, 2021

Mowman said:
Why in the world would Collingwood do that ?

Here you go you have our 1st round pick and we will miss 12months development on a top 10 pick, just makes no sense

They’d get slaughtered - especially after last years trade period.

Browny2Carlisle · May 23, 2021

BrutThough said:
Are young mids a bigger priority right now? Looking at our young players, we have more mids in that category than KPPs.

And couldn't the same logic about quality mids being taken early in the draft apply to forwards as well? Either way, one position had to be taken with an early pick and someone had to be taken with the late pick.

We took Allison knowing he would take some time. So let's give him to some to find his feet before criticising the decision to take him.

Just seems very strange to use our first pick on a project tall who isn't really a kpp more a utility like Battle. Who was also looking like a late to rookie pick.
When poulter was there roughly the same size as Allison, ready to play, inside, outside and forward.

BrutThough · May 23, 2021

Browny2Carlisle said:
Just seems very strange to use our first pick on a project tall who isn't really a kpp more a utility like Battle. Who was also looking like a late to rookie pick.
When poulter was there roughly the same size as Allison, ready to play, inside, outside and forward.

At 195cm, he is the size to be a genuine kpp. And a few days before the draft, he was predicted to go in the 2nd round with North and GWS two of the teams heavily into him. Taking him at pick 26 was a "reach" by about 4 picks, not as extreme as some are making it out to be.

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