List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

George · Aug 24, 2021

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
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Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle
Dylan Roberton
Shaun McKernan
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tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

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JediSaint · Sep 11, 2021

PandaG said:
Clavarino gone apparently
Another delisted
We must have some coming because lots are going

Strange on there. With Alakakis gone, Battle looking to exit, and now delisting Clav, we are left with Joyce.
It’s really watch this space!

Ducky Tie · Sep 11, 2021

bird_man said:
I think we've fallen a fair way behind them now tbh.

They don't have a weakness.

There midfield is well ahead of ours, they have three genuine key defenders, two of which are stars and options up forward.

We are going to have to find a few a graders amongst our list if we are going to get to that level.

The midfield is still our biggest issue IMO.

Yeah they are a mile ahead of us with their list. They were always ahead of us with this list on elite talent, they just weren't putting it together. We aren't a list that is full of talent, performing well under our potential. Sure, we did underperform this year, but we're probably in that 5-8 range if we had the season we hoped for.

Melbourne have elite talent everywhere. Petracca, Oliver and Gawn are easily top 10 players in the comp. Arguably they are all top five. May and Lever both AA. Pickett has kicked 40 goals in his second season. Fritsch AA squad. Salem AA squad.

If we are to become a contender, it'll have to be closer to the Port Adelaide path than the Melbourne one.

JediSaint · Sep 11, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
I have hopes that Highmore can take another step or two up the ladder and his stats are not that far behind lever and 2 years younger , Doug's is no where near Mays level and never will be IMO , To think Oliver turned up in his first year fatter than me and is now just a gun

Melb mids are quick and close up space and spread quickly, and for 4 quarters.
Coff, Clarke need to build their tank and be able to put pressure on like Langdon.
Dougal and Wilke hold their own but one more athletic KPD (like Chol) would be the cream on our defensive cake.

JediSaint · Sep 11, 2021

puppy_dog7 said:
In all seriousness, how are we replacing 11 players? Does not seem possible. Especially with our draft hand.

Plus we were already short on our list by 2 players

Dr Spaceman · Sep 11, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
Panda posted it on here , i never go to SS , i get to read enough garbage here without needing to go there as well

You still getting your news on your toilet breaks?

bird_man · Sep 11, 2021

Winmar2Lockett said:
As I said, they’ve been blessed with an injury free season… its easy to look like you have no weaknesses when you’ve got all hands on deck.

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Yes I agree that helps enormously.

But they are clearly well ahead of us in a few areas now.

They have 5 current All Australian players, we have one.

Gawn, Petracca and Oliver in the middle as well as some handy players behind them.

May and Lever in defence with help from Petty.

Saint_Dos · Sep 11, 2021

JediSaint said:
Strange on there. With Alakakis gone, Battle looking to exit, and now delisting Clav, we are left with Joyce.
It’s really watch this space!

Does Battle actually want out? I know it has been rumoured and talk his manager was scouting interest but does he want out?

I am hoping Ratts looks at our liine up and decides to put him back into CHB given we now have Sharman, Membrey, Wood all playing the medium fwd role plus Kent and Higgins who play a smaller version of that role. And Hill, Billings, Connolly, Hanners, Ross, DMac all wanting wing time, which Battle wasnt much chop at.

We need a CHB and Battle has played it well in the past. Should be focusing his pre-season around this and giving him a clear outline of his role for the year. Even if we draft someone there is no saying they can step straight in.

bird_man · Sep 11, 2021

Ducky Tie said:
Yeah they are a mile ahead of us with their list. They were always ahead of us with this list on elite talent, they just weren't putting it together. We aren't a list that is full of talent, performing well under our potential. Sure, we did underperform this year, but we're probably in that 5-8 range if we had the season we hoped for.

Melbourne have elite talent everywhere. Petracca, Oliver and Gawn are easily top 10 players in the comp. Arguably they are all top five. May and Lever both AA. Pickett has kicked 40 goals in his second season. Fritsch AA squad. Salem AA squad.

If we are to become a contender, it'll have to be closer to the Port Adelaide path than the Melbourne one.

I always thought we we never far behind them because we always seemed to have a more even spread across the board and I'd hope we'd just be able to find a few guns amongst them.

Since then they've added to their depth. They don't just rely on their stars to get the job done. They've brought in some quality youth as well.

We desperately need guys like Coff, Clark, Byrnes etc to become stars if we are ever going to get to that stage.

bird_man · Sep 11, 2021

CaptainRisky said:
I have hopes that Highmore can take another step or two up the ladder and his stats are not that far behind lever and 2 years younger , Doug's is no where near Mays level and never will be IMO , To think Oliver turned up in his first year fatter than me and is now just a gun

Lever has had a great year because they've been able to free him up by playing another key defender in either Tomlinson or Petty as well as May.

Saint_Dos · Sep 11, 2021

bird_man said:
Lever has had a great year because they've been able to free him up by playing another key defender in either Tomlinson or Petty as well as May.

I cant get over how important Langdon is to them.
Speed and endurance and has learnt to kick since his time at Freo too.

Veer Right · Sep 11, 2021

Winmar2Lockett said:
Harsh on Gresh. Was in career best, pushing A grade form before getting hurt.

Bytel is a young kid that has shown glimpses that we want to see more of. Battle being played out of position but has talent. Hill hasn't been overhyped, he's been bagged relentlessly (and mostly unfairly IMO).

The others.... well I can't remember anyone overhyping any of them.

Your memory doesn't stretch very far if you believe that. Hill was defended to the tee for example last year on here while i would repeatedly read how great his kicking is and just wait till next year on bigger grounds.....

Bytel hasn't shown much for the position he plays which is midfield and that's where he's being hyped to play. Tout him as a HF that deserves a game because of solid reserves form and that's a different narrative which works.

Battle does have talent at CHB where he almost never plays, elsewhere he is downright average-mediocre.

I can go on but no need, i realise users find this topic offensive and i don't wish to draw it out.

snails13 · Sep 11, 2021

pebblesofsand said:
Might be on a few clubs radar.

198 cm, 100kg's seems to be able top play forward and back.

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...afl-defender-sam-skinner-starring-state-level

Player focus
(August 2021)

Former Brisbane key position player Sam Skinner looks primed to earn another AFL opportunity. Continuing his strong vein of form with 22 disposals, 10 marks (two contested) and six rebound 50s for South Adelaide in their 13-point loss against Port Adelaide, Skinner has looked a new player since switching into defence.

This follows games with 12 marks (four contested) and 11 marks (four contested) in the two weeks prior, proving he can be a plug-and-play piece for AFL sides.

The 24-year-old has been a marvel; reading the ball in flight, attacking it aerially, converting one-on-one marking contests into intercept marks and spoiling high balls when out of position. Skinner displays the courage to play in front, and was duly rewarded with numerous intercept marks as a result. For a tall key position player, Skinner moves well, even at one point taking on and getting around the man on the mark.

Skinner's on-field leadership was also there to see, directing teammates to ensure South Adelaide were set up correctly defensively.

With some similarities to Sam Collins, Skinner will be looking to re-join the AFL ranks immediately after a year starring at state league level.

Like Collins, Skinner is a low flash key defender, but with similar competitiveness one-on-one and intercept marking capabilities. He could provide an immediate solution for an AFL club looking for someone to fill a key defence hole immediately.

I watch SANFL regularly and Sth Adelaide are often involved on 7 plus and Skinner is having a ripper year in defence

gringo2011 · Sep 11, 2021

bird_man said:
I think we've fallen a fair way behind them now tbh.

They don't have a weakness.

There midfield is well ahead of ours, they have three genuine key defenders, two of which are stars and options up forward.

We are going to have to find a few a graders amongst our list if we are going to get to that level.

The midfield is still our biggest issue IMO.

An elite pair of on ballers in Petracca and Oliver, an elite ruck, then two above average mids then a pile of good players with pace and skills that can go through. Two elite tall defenders and an A grade small defender in Salem and a spread of really good talent up forward who can score in a variety of ways as well. Fritsch, Jackson, Kosi, Brown and McDonald can all get hold of sides. Pretty jealous.

gringo2011 · Sep 11, 2021

Ducky Tie said:
Yeah they are a mile ahead of us with their list. They were always ahead of us with this list on elite talent, they just weren't putting it together. We aren't a list that is full of talent, performing well under our potential. Sure, we did underperform this year, but we're probably in that 5-8 range if we had the season we hoped for.

Melbourne have elite talent everywhere. Petracca, Oliver and Gawn are easily top 10 players in the comp. Arguably they are all top five. May and Lever both AA. Pickett has kicked 40 goals in his second season. Fritsch AA squad. Salem AA squad.

If we are to become a contender, it'll have to be closer to the Port Adelaide path than the Melbourne one.

We really need to find an elite mid this year, we potentially sit out of up to three first rounds after this and to find one outside of that is very rare. So far we have one and a couple of Brayshaw types.

bird_man · Sep 11, 2021

gringo2011 said:
We really need to find an elite mid this year, we potentially sit out of up to three first rounds after this and to find one outside of that is very rare. So far we have one and a couple of Brayshaw types.

I've been banging on about if for a while, but it isn't a coincidence we've used one top 40 pick on a mid in 6 years and we don't have an elite mid to go with Steele.

Top sides are stacked with good mids and they are normally found at the top end of the draft.

For the love of god, please use this years first on a genuine mid. And not a flanker that has potential to be a mid.

Sharman, Wilkie, Highmore etc are proof you can find gems in other areas but very rarely to you find an elite mid late in the draft.

JediSaint · Sep 11, 2021

Saint_Dos said:
I cant get over how important Langdon is to them.
Speed and endurance and has learnt to kick since his time at Freo too.

Thats where Clarke or Coff need to built their tank to provide that speed and endurance across half back.

Veer Right · Sep 11, 2021

Ducky Tie said:
Yeah they are a mile ahead of us with their list. They were always ahead of us with this list on elite talent, they just weren't putting it together. We aren't a list that is full of talent, performing well under our potential. Sure, we did underperform this year, but we're probably in that 5-8 range if we had the season we hoped for.

Melbourne have elite talent everywhere. Petracca, Oliver and Gawn are easily top 10 players in the comp. Arguably they are all top five. May and Lever both AA. Pickett has kicked 40 goals in his second season. Fritsch AA squad. Salem AA squad.

If we are to become a contender, it'll have to be closer to the Port Adelaide path than the Melbourne one.

Not all doom and gloom

Steele - top five mid in the league
Marshall - top five ruck in the league when his foot is right
King - Will be the premier forward by 2023
Higgins is right there with Kosy Pickett
Sinclair finds the ability to bring his best self more often next year, he's AA

Then the best for last, Sharman, who looks a replica of Jack Gunston at game number four. How good can he be? If you were going to judge anyone after a few games of becoming a gun, he would be it.

So that's six players

Then the likes of Wilkie, Paton and Butler are all capable.

We desperately need Jones and/or Clark to go up another level, we are a premier mid away from being bottom of the top eight to top four material.

Saintos The ITK · Sep 11, 2021

Dr Spaceman said:
You still getting your news on your toilet breaks?

Hahahah **** me you’re getting some mileage out of your new app

Saintos The ITK · Sep 11, 2021

Saint_Dos said:
Does Battle actually want out? I know it has been rumoured and talk his manager was scouting interest but does he want out?

I am hoping Ratts looks at our liine up and decides to put him back into CHB given we now have Sharman, Membrey, Wood all playing the medium fwd role plus Kent and Higgins who play a smaller version of that role. And Hill, Billings, Connolly, Hanners, Ross, DMac all wanting wing time, which Battle wasnt much chop at.

We need a CHB and Battle has played it well in the past. Should be focusing his pre-season around this and giving him a clear outline of his role for the year. Even if we draft someone there is no saying they can step straight in.

I want to convert him into a small mobile
Ruckman

WRFL Indentity · Sep 11, 2021

Looks like we keep Billings and Ross. So, with that in mind, the options are...

Trade/Keep: Battle, Long
Trade/Delist: Lonie and Kent.
Delist: Hunter

Assuming we don't trade anyone, we have a 1st and a 3rd. So we get;

Best available mid with 1st
Owens and Windhager

DFA: Schenslong
UFA: Chol

I wouldn't be unhappy with that result. We add mids, keep our depth and get some key pieces on the cheap

MrFoster · Sep 11, 2021

Ducky Tie said:
Yeah they are a mile ahead of us with their list. They were always ahead of us with this list on elite talent, they just weren't putting it together. We aren't a list that is full of talent, performing well under our potential. Sure, we did underperform this year, but we're probably in that 5-8 range if we had the season we hoped for.

Melbourne have elite talent everywhere. Petracca, Oliver and Gawn are easily top 10 players in the comp. Arguably they are all top five. May and Lever both AA. Pickett has kicked 40 goals in his second season. Fritsch AA squad. Salem AA squad.

If we are to become a contender, it'll have to be closer to the Port Adelaide path than the Melbourne one.

Agree.. to me, we really need to identify key weaknesses and try to plug them asap..

1. Running backs who can break the line and link up plays - we have Sinclair, need 1 more at least.. otherwise, we are stuck with Howard’s long bomb from full back

2. True Wingers.. we don’t have anyone who get run both ways ways and break the line.. Hill should be playing on the right wing.. but we can’t get him the ball, need him to play there and run.. Mckenzie on the left side.. I’m sorry but Billings was never a winger.. can’t break the line and just slow the play down with his chip side ways..

3. Midfield.. our clearance setup has been crap for years.. It’s like most of our mids apart from Steele and Crouch are amateurs, everyone just swarm in like aus-kick kids rather than keeping an inside/outside balance. As a result, when the opposition wins inside cleanly, they just get it to an unmanned outside player and stream forward without much pressure..

We need a midfield coach actually knows what he’s doing and set up the mids properly.. With Steele, Crouch, Jones, Hannebery(when fit), Ross, Clark, Bytel, Byrnes, we should be doing better next year.

4. Forward Entry and Forward structure.. Kick long in front of our leading player vs long bomb to a big pack is completely different thing.. we need to do the former 90% of the time.. and to a less extent, we have started doing that towards the end of the year and see our forward efficiency shoot right up..

5. Pressure only game plan.. this need to be changed to a balanced plan where we can also hit targets regularly and kick goals more easily. Forcing turnover from manic tackling only works half of the time as more and more teams are now good at absorbing and beating the tackling pressure/zone.

Saints43 · Sep 11, 2021

Winmar2Lockett said:
Harsh on Gresh. Was in career best, pushing A grade form before getting hurt.

Bytel is a young kid that has shown glimpses that we want to see more of. Battle being played out of position but has talent. Hill hasn't been overhyped, he's been bagged relentlessly (and mostly unfairly IMO).

The others.... well I can't remember anyone overhyping any of them.

I've written this before but Gresh is criminally underrated by some. He can turn games from the middle, kicks goals from the midfield and looked in fantastic condition going into this season.
If he can put the two injuries he's had behind him we'll be reminded that he's a terrific player.

Mowman · Sep 11, 2021

Saint_Dos said:
I cant get over how important Langdon is to them.
Speed and endurance and has learnt to kick since his time at Freo too.

Has been a great pick up for them, runs both ways as hard as anyone playing the game

Mowman · Sep 11, 2021

Winmar2Lockett said:
Well that's where you went astray.

The media are fixated on St Kilda's 'big money' recruits & warble endlessly about Hill, Hanners & Crouch.

Hill has 2 years on an $800k deal
Hanners 1 year on a reduced deal (from what I've heard its around $550-600k)
Crouch on a bargain basement, coke assisted $550-600k deal.

Compare that to other clubs with blokes on a $1m+ and multiple others on $700+

Our best players (Steele & Roma) are in line for decent increases next season which could easily come from Hanners' expiring contract. Winx is locked in on a long term deal that will be a bargain in years 3 & 4.

We've shed plenty of cap space this year & will have the $$$ to spend either now or next year. Plus, as Joffaboy mentioned, we've already taken our 9% covid cut so are in a better place than most clubs.

Hill has 2 years or 3 years left ?

gringo2011 · Sep 11, 2021

Veer Right said:
Not all doom and gloom

Steele - top five mid in the league
Marshall - top five ruck in the league when his foot is right
King - Will be the premier forward by 2023
Higgins is right there with Kosy Pickett
Sinclair finds the ability to bring his best self more often next year, he's AA

Then the best for last, Sharman, who looks a replica of Jack Gunston at game number four. How good can he be? If you were going to judge anyone after a few games of becoming a gun, he would be it.

So that's six players

Then the likes of Wilkie, Paton and Butler are all capable.

We desperately need Jones and/or Clark to go up another level, we are a premier mid away from being bottom of the top eight to top four material.

I still think that's light on. If you say King =Ben Brown, Marshall =Gawn, Steele =Petracca, Higgins =Pickett and Sinclair =Salem and Sharman =Fritsch we are still a fair way off the Dees.

The guys that have the amount of games and skill to step up to be guns are Gresham, Coffield, Higgins and Clark realistically. If drastic internal improvement occurs they are probably where it comes from. King is just a given.

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