List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Bill Mohr]

If he's good enough, he'll make it. If he isn't, he won't. I expect he'll be in front of our draftees this year in terms of selection next year. If he's not then that's a good problem to have. Plenty of dominant teams over the last decade or so have shown the asset of having lots of midfielders who can push forward. Dogs roll Bont, Macrae, Liberatore, Dunkley, Treloar and Smith through their midfield. Bulldogs did it with Dusty, Cotchin, Edwards, Prestia, Lambert, Bolton, Graham etc. Peak Geelong had Ablett, Bartel, Selwood, Corey, Kelly, Ling, Chapman, Johnson etc.

Having plenty of midfielders is good if there are several that can rotate forward. It's what limits Bytel at this stage. Byrnes to me looks like a really useful asset to a midfield with how he uses the ball and the speed he has.

One thing we have to look at is the size of our midfield. Check out the big guns- Bont, OLiver, Wines, Petracca, Martin, Fyfe,Munday Sydney have a couple etc. These guys are impact players, they can break a pack. These players are in teams that make finals. Even with another recruited mid ( who will that be?) unless we get an impact midfielder in the 190cm plus range we will be heavily relying on winning the ruck hitouts and that is not guaranteed. Steele would be our biggest mid. Those other big mids just push you off the ball.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Saints to prioritise development, coaching panel restructure

St Kilda coach Brett Ratten reveals the Saints' plans for 2022

t.co

Mitch Cleary. Quick skim through it looks good.

Amongst other things talks Battle - and where to play him

Ratts’ contract ending end of 2022 - they’ll discuss that Feb/March… personally hope nothing is signed before at least the after the bye.

 

[gringo2011]

Preferred we kept Goddard & Dal Santo...

That was a tough period, I remember the shock of Lyon not turning up to a scheduled press conference...and then all the cap stretch stuff with players needing to be cut free. It was a slow painful bleed out. Then the poison dwarf with bits of optimism around Beau Wilkes and Siposs only to switch to Richo who was a relief in his boring for a while......but the beige-out set in and not being embarrassing any more got stale. I was tough on Lethlean but he seems to get shit done faster than the rest of the atrophied morons did in the previous decade. He seems to have a vision at least.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

And here we go again

 

[Saintsydney]

Draft experts were undecided.

The only reason he was ‘going 1 or 2’ was because we had the first pick and our recruiters were fools.
We were obviously leaking the the info that we were going to go for McCartin otherwise there’s no way he was in the conversation of 1 or 2 by anyone who had a clue other than that the word was the saints for some reason might take him at 1

 

[saintsrfreak]

Saints to prioritise development, coaching panel restructure

St Kilda coach Brett Ratten reveals the Saints' plans for 2022

t.co

"The growth of Sharman and Highmore leaves the Saints with a decision on swingman Josh Battle who is expected to stay at Moorabbin after his name was floated in recent trade talks.

"Sometimes your flexibility is your greatest strength but your greatest weakness too," Ratten said.

"He's had some good success on the wing, he's had good success as the second ruck, but he probably hasn't nailed the tall (spot) at either end.

"That's something we're discussing, do we give him a preferred end to go to? We've got to make sure we look after him, he's had a couple of stress fractures, that's probably the talking point as to where we shape him.

"We think we'll still keep him through the midfield at times and pick an end to go to."

 

[Diehard Saint]

"The growth of Sharman and Highmore leaves the Saints with a decision on swingman Josh Battle who is expected to stay at Moorabbin after his name was floated in recent trade talks.

"Sometimes your flexibility is your greatest strength but your greatest weakness too," Ratten said.

"He's had some good success on the wing, he's had good success as the second ruck, but he probably hasn't nailed the tall (spot) at either end.

"That's something we're discussing, do we give him a preferred end to go to? We've got to make sure we look after him, he's had a couple of stress fractures, that's probably the talking point as to where we shape him.

"We think we'll still keep him through the midfield at times and pick an end to go to."

Yep. They’re set on him on the wing.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This joint was so pumped about Petracca when Brian speaking was saying we were gonna take him & then Brian came on here one day & said we’d changed to Petracca & the board absolutely lost their sh*t! It was hilarious. After that, people slowly started to convince themselves that it was the correct decision because Riewoldt was old/injured & Dogs paid big for Boyd.

I was always a bit sceptical because his highlights made him look like a slow, undersized, no agility key forward that had good hands & a booming peg.

He never looked like a top pick, more a second rounder. Even if concussion didn’t finish him he looked like he was missing too many elite traits to become a dominant forward at the top level.

I wanted Peter Wright

 

[BrutThough]

Saints to prioritise development, coaching panel restructure

St Kilda coach Brett Ratten reveals the Saints' plans for 2022

t.co

Mitch Cleary. Quick skim through it looks good.

Amongst other things talks Battle - and where to play him

Ratts’ contract ending end of 2022 - they’ll discuss that Feb/March… personally hope nothing is signed before at least the after the bye.

"He's had some good success on the wing"

When was this success?

 

[bird_man]

"He's had some good success on the wing"

When was this success?

The game before they eventually dropped him

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The only reason he was ‘going 1 or 2’ was because we had the first pick and our recruiters were fools.
We were obviously leaking the the info that we were going to go for McCartin otherwise there’s no way he was in the conversation of 1 or 2 by anyone who had a clue other than that the word was the saints for some reason might take him at 1

Yeah he was.
Speculation was always that Melbourne would take him if we didn't.

 

[Diehard Saint]

"He's had some good success on the wing"

When was this success?

If I was Battle I’d be hightailing it out of the club if I’m reading that. Actually it
also makes me wonder why Ratts is so stubborn about it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Preferred we kept Goddard & Dal Santo...

Dal would probably still be playing and getting top 10 in the B and F.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

"The growth of Sharman and Highmore leaves the Saints with a decision on swingman Josh Battle who is expected to stay at Moorabbin after his name was floated in recent trade talks.

"Sometimes your flexibility is your greatest strength but your greatest weakness too," Ratten said.

"He's had some good success on the wing, he's had good success as the second ruck, but he probably hasn't nailed the tall (spot) at either end.

"That's something we're discussing, do we give him a preferred end to go to? We've got to make sure we look after him, he's had a couple of stress fractures, that's probably the talking point as to where we shape him.

"We think we'll still keep him through the midfield at times and pick an end to go to."

I thought that we made up the Battle trade talks on this thread.

 

[Bill Mohr]

"He's had some good success on the wing"

When was this success?

Its flipping bullshit

 

[BrutThough]

If I was Battle I’d be hightailing it out of the club if I’m reading that. Actually it
also makes me wonder why Ratts is so stubborn about it.

I'm all for trading Battle for his own sake. Get him somewhere he can play forward or back every week and end this wing experiment.

 

[Bill Mohr]

It was a monumental stuff up. Own it.
AFL site had an anonymous poll on which club recruiters would take who at pick 1 in the 2014 draft. It was 16 for Petracca & 2 for Paddy. Says it all. Our club played themselves.

Dead right. Only had to watch him play and you knew he wasnt it. It was a load of rubbish perpetuated by the club and nothing to do with his illness. What got me was the amount of bullshit about how elite he was before he came to the club, he couldnt kick straight from 40m out....wtf...........

 

[Ducky Tie]

One thing we have to look at is the size of our midfield. Check out the big guns- Bont, OLiver, Wines, Petracca, Martin, Fyfe,Munday Sydney have a couple etc. These guys are impact players, they can break a pack. These players are in teams that make finals. Even with another recruited mid ( who will that be?) unless we get an impact midfielder in the 190cm plus range we will be heavily relying on winning the ruck hitouts and that is not guaranteed. Steele would be our biggest mid. Those other big mids just push you off the ball.

Yeah, it's definitely a factor in building a midfield, but it's one I think we're probably ok in. Steele and Crouch are good sizes. Steele in particular. Clark is 187cm and we need to prioritise his development. Those three should be a prominent part of the midfield in years to come. Martin (187cm) was Richmond's only midfielder above 185cm in their flags, so it's not a necessity to have several really big bodied midfielders. At this point, I think our sole focus needs to be on elite prospects in midfield, regardless of height.

 

[pebblesofsand]

I'm all for trading Battle for his own sake. Get him somewhere he can play forward or back every week and end this wing experiment.

I'm all for trading Battle if a club offers a pick lower than 30.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Yeah, it's definitely a factor in building a midfield, but it's one I think we're probably ok in. Steele and Crouch are good sizes. Steele in particular. Clark is 187cm and we need to prioritise his development. Those three should be a prominent part of the midfield in years to come. Martin (187cm) was Richmond's only midfielder above 185cm in their flags, so it's not a necessity to have several really big bodied midfielders. At this point, I think our sole focus needs to be on elite prospects in midfield, regardless of height.

True, but Martin is a different kettle of fish. A total matchwinner and big bodied. He did the grunt work regardless of his height. Probably incomparable in history for big games..ala leigh Matthews. I dont see Crouch busting packs....and Clark is not even in there yet as a permanent mid. You have to have one.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

One thing we have to look at is the size of our midfield. Check out the big guns- Bont, OLiver, Wines, Petracca, Martin, Fyfe,Munday Sydney have a couple etc. These guys are impact players, they can break a pack. These players are in teams that make finals. Even with another recruited mid ( who will that be?) unless we get an impact midfielder in the 190cm plus range we will be heavily relying on winning the ruck hitouts and that is not guaranteed. Steele would be our biggest mid. Those other big mids just push you off the ball.

Owens is 190 and agile

 

[Bill Mohr]

Owens is 190 and agile

True, we have to get these guys in the draft. Clubs wont trade big mids unless there is a go home factor and it costs big dollars. Yes we recruited a couple of average size mids last and this year who are good but we need that pack buster.

 

[triggering bro]

“Need a big bodied midfielder”

Marshall ruck rover…

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

True, we have to get these guys in the draft. Clubs wont trade big mids unless there is a go home factor and it costs big dollars. Yes we recruited a couple of average size mids last and this year who are good but we need that pack buster.

I’m so excited for this draft I just want to skip trade period because I’m still in fear we’ll butcher our draft hand

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

“Need a big bodied midfielder”

Marshall ruck rover…

Or Max Heath