List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Saintbloke]

Who said Gresham should play in the backline LOL

I take full responsibility- just a thought though as we're not that smart coming out of the backline.

 

[gringo2011]

Means he got a reality check like Billings. No currency.

So out of Battle and Long to get us a better draft hand.

No-one has any cap space, they timed their movement badly. Players that held off signing big contracts really ****ed it as well.

Honestly everyone thinks that finals are inevitable next year on here. Our best chance of that happening is to have solid core that we can add some kids too. Seb and Billings staying might not excite anyone but it might be the best thing for our chances.

 

[snails13]

Tom Mitchell for pick 9 anybody??

Yep that's regenerating our list

 

[triggering bro]

Hill early in the season (in defence) had a bit of the panicking "deer/rabbit in the headlights" thing going on, managing needless, embarrassing and stupid turnovers often resulting in opposition goals - to be fair this did improve in second half of season from memory.

Pulling out of contests was what concerned me the most. I know there was a game where he pretty much lost it for us on the back of a couple of poor turnovers. Can’t recall which game though (maybe vs Port?). But not going when it was his turn was the biggest problem. Not saying he needs to be Jack Steele.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Hawks had plenty of those plain, neat skilled beige types in their premiership sides. It's not an impediment to a career, he's just disappointing because he was a pick 3. Take him at pick 30 or trade him in he'd be a fan favourite. He's better than a lot of the recent trade ins and you'd think they were superstars the way we talk them up.

yep there's definitely a spot for that type player but the issue with our list is that currently we have too many that are competing for that role. Right now Byrnes is that 15-20 disposal medium impact player except his pace makes him look a little more exciting. Bytel until he lifts is capable of the same medium impact. Ross and Billings too.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Yep that's regenerating our list

pick 9 for David Mundy

 

[Sun Ra]

Pulling out of contests was what concerned me the most. I know there was a game where he pretty much lost it for us on the back of a couple of poor turnovers. Can’t recall which game though. But not going when it was his turn was the biggest problem. Not saying he needs to be Jack Steele.

That too - agree.

 

[MickG88]

If they get cerra, the mids will be Walsh, Cerra and Cripps. Also got Hewett. So they are trading in.

But when Walsh's contract ends next year and McKay ends 2023, How are they going to afford to keep both those guys and continue to pay Cerra, Saad, Williams, McGovern and the rest their over inflated contracts. I don't see Carlton being good enough to win the premiership next year so they are fudged.
Sure that Midfield looks good but they're robbing Peter to pay Paul but Paul aren't that good of a footballer and Peter wants to be paid.

 

[gringo2011]

Just seems like there is want to find every reason possible to justify why Gresh shouldn't play midfield despite his performances suggesting otherwise. Especially when we have a glaring hole in there for someone with his attributes.

He is far too talented to be sitting in a forward pocket. And if that is the plan for him, we might as well trade him because we wouldn't be using him to his fullest potential.

He's a terrible kick when he plays mids. Match winner forward.

 

[Rors]

You aren't very good at reading are you. Go back and read the post again, champ

You ‘champ’d’ me…. ???

 

[BrutThough]

Not Saints related, but from Jon Ralph.

Cats early trade request for Jordan Clark

6

Jordan Clark

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

was pick 8. Fair to say that was considered overs by Dockers. Their offer was pick 27. Freo need to find a pick in between. Lots of common ground but Clark is contracted.

 

[George]

Read a couple pages back. It was suggested he play the Caleb Daniel role...

Yeah had a look. Gee wizz. Gresham's probably the worst kick in the side.

 

[Ailurus]

Wonder how McLean feels after re-signing at the Swans and now the talk is that they're chasing Ladhams.

Another decent forward/ruck on their list is Joel Amartey. Played well in his limited games this season and seems behind a few now.

I'd take Amartey

 

[triggering bro]

Not Saints related, but from Jon Ralph.

Cats early trade request for Jordan Clark was pick 8. Fair to say that was considered overs by Dockers. Their offer was pick 27. Freo need to find a pick in between. Lots of common ground but Clark is contracted.

Didn’t Bell demand pick 2 for Weller? This is gonna be interesting!

 

[bird_man]

Not Saints related, but from Jon Ralph.

Cats early trade request for Jordan Clark was pick 8. Fair to say that was considered overs by Dockers. Their offer was pick 27. Freo need to find a pick in between. Lots of common ground but Clark is contracted.

Geez, 27 seems spot on.

 

[Rors]

Didn’t Bell demand pick 2 for Weller? This is gonna be interesting!

And got it too

 

[triggering bro]

And got it too

His turn to pay up

 

[BrutThough]

Didn’t Bell demand pick 2 for Weller? This is gonna be interesting!

Weller was at least a best 22 player for Freo - had played every game the previous 2 seasons. And he recognised how desperate Gold Coast were for someone who wanted to go there.

Clark cant get a game for them yet they are asking for a top 10 pick.

 

[ScrappyDo]

True but it looks really messy and isn't a good thing no matter how people try to spin it. We've done a lot to build a more professional image and test things are a step backwards. Playing out a bust up in the media is not ideal.

I've been a fan of Dunny for a long time but I feel that this was always going to be the way things ended. As a StKilda player he wore his heart on his sleeve and it's no surprise he feels a bit victimized, but that doesn't mean the club handled it poorly.
It's worth remembering that he was to be traded to Adelaide this time last year, then duly notified he was back of the queue before the season got started. Despite his run of form which was timely for the team he didn't demonstrate and growth aside from a productive 6 weeks and his inclusion had negative effects on other areas that are hard for us to quantify from the outside.
I remember Bleach spoke about how hard it was to go from the leadership group to delisted in 2 years, but he was far more philosophical about it than Spook has been able to muster.

You like the rest of us wanted a more ruthless edge to the club and we've got it. This comes with the territory. You can't keep everyone happy all the time unfortunately.
At 26yo Spook has had 8 years in the system and made at least 3 million bucks for his trouble. He wasn't able to adjust to life as a fringe player and got pissy with the situation and left. That's life.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Yeah had a look. Gee wizz. Gresham's probably the worst kick in the side.

If he was in our defensive 50 we might get some kick outs that go back into our own goals

 

[CaptainRisky]

Tom Mitchell for pick 9 anybody??

Fantastic idea ,,,,, Next

 

[Joffaboy]

He had a good month or so of footy. Apart from that period he had a poor year. I find it difficult to believe anyone would actually think he was in our best 5 players for the year. I guess the club did so must be fact!

The fact is he was 5th in the B&F, if he deserved it is open to opinion. To be frank I was surprised.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Tom Mitchell for pick 9 anybody??

Fair trade for mine [emoji1303]

 

[sammm]

nothing would enrage me more than seeing Carlton jump us

if they had Ross Lyon, we would be ahead. now with Voss. not sure.

 

[Jade Buddha]

To take the question at face value:

You don't get Crouch in and then add Mitchell 12 months later. Crouch addressed that need, and Mitchell is overrated.

Take pick 9 to the draft and get the best available mid, with the possible chance of reaching 5-6 picks on your draft board for a big bodied mid (not Martin or Ross big bodied but more like Cripps or Bont) who may develop a little later.

See how many of the academy kids you can get for under value. Adding a draft pick for this purpose would be nice, but would probably cost Long.

Sign Talia or Hartley as a DFA for KPP depth.

Re-sign Kent, Hunter and Joyce, delist Lonie.

All of that with the exception of Hunter. It’s disheartening watch that that level of player in our team.