List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[borderbarry]

Just the one poster, who many have left because of him

Would you care to let us know who this poster is?

 

[Scoop]

S66 was an older bloke I think. Hope all is ok.

Stewie is fine JB...just taking a bit of a break atm. He still has his ear to the ground though!!

 

[ScrappyDo]

I think the concept of 2 big bodied defenders is getting replaced with mobile intercept types that can work as a team. Highmore is probably the guy that best fits our needs so I’d prefer we just stick to that strategy rather than look to pick any KPDs.
Plus we still have Joyce.

l tend to agree and honestly l just wish they'd stick Battle back there for that very reason.

 

[longlivelenny]

Which is why someone like Thalia might be an option. Fill in for a year until Allison develops.

Yeah might be a good shout.
I have big doubts on Allison. He was plucked out of nowhere and looks a long way off it. But I've been wrong a lot of times before. And vfl hasn't been able to do much for player development

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[Munga]

SEB ROSS

Morris reported last month that Ross is weighing up his future after being underwhelmed with St Kilda’s two-year offer that includes a trigger for a third season.

If Ross does opt to explore his options, he’ll be one of several uncontracted inside midfielders on the hunt for new homes including Luke Dunstan and Will Brodie.

“(Ross) Wants more than two years with a trigger for a third. There’s not a lot of interest for him at the moment,” Morris said.

JACK BILLINGS

Morris also reported last month that Billings is weighing up signing a four-year extension from the Saints on reduced money to his current contract, naming Port Adelaide as a potential suitor if he decided to test the market.

Billings is coming off an indifferent 2021 season, averaging 20 disposals per game – his worse return since his debut season when scaling numbers from 2020’s shortened games – before a hamstring injury prematurely ended his campaign.

Alas, the 26-year old is expected to remain at Moorabbin.

“We think Jack Billings will stay on a four-year deal at the Saints,” Morris said.

It looks like Ross and Billings can't get better/any offers elsewhere, what does that say? And Ross still isn't happy? The mind boggles.
I'm not sure why Billings is getting 4 years, unless he's on a significantly good salary for our cap space.
Maybe the penny will drop with a few that they have been overpaid for many years only because we had to. Free market says NO.
Think of it as we've heavily front-ended their career salaries.

 

[Sully111]

I'm guessing Ross will stay.

Nobody will want him.

 

[Joffaboy]

I feel a bit sad for Ross that he's not had any interest, and sadder for our club that we'll probably end up retaining him. Hopefully he gets demoted to depth and is not a lock for the starting line up next year, ditto Gears.

Billings is weird, I really hope a club comes in for him, he really does need a fresh start and we need to wipe the slate. He'll never be more than an occasional highlight for us, I don't see how we turn him to a matchwinner or a real leader. If he stays, he has to be dropped from the leadership group, ditto Ross.

We should have punted both 2 years ago.

Have been watching lots of highlights on YouTube over the past few weeks, amazing how much Billings pops up in them, either making the play or kicking the goal.

Even this year with a foot injury since R5 he averaged 20 posessions a game.

A good run with injury and a locked in 4 year deal could see him back to a vital member of the team. Happy for him to stay.
Ross, hope he goes in my opinion.

 

[Joffaboy]

Stewie is fine JB...just taking a bit of a break atm. He still has his ear to the ground though!! [emoji846]

Cheers scoop, great to hear.

 

[Mowman]

I'm guessing Ross will stay.

Nobody will want him.

Pull the contract
He has had long enough

 

[Joffaboy]

It looks like Ross and Billings can't get better/any offers elsewhere, what does that say? And Ross still isn't happy? The mind boggles.
I'm not sure why Billings is getting 4 years, unless he's on a significantly good salary for our cap space.
Maybe the penny will drop with a few that they have been overpaid for many years only because we had to. Free market says NO.
Think of it as we've heavily front-ended their career salaries.

Billings did not want to go, understood his offer would be significantly less, but agreed to the contract without looking too hard after the 4th with triggers was offered.

Would have got offers on the open but not more than us or a bit more and less years.

Happy to keep

 

[Mowman]

S66 was an older bloke I think. Hope all is ok.

Yeah, met him a couple of times at training, he's a good man

 

[Saint_Dos]

I'm guessing Ross will stay.

Nobody will want him.

Given we already have 5 out the door it is not the end of the world keeping Ross as long as he is only paid a basic wage which it sounds like we offered.
Would personally prefer to keep him than Kent. He provides good depth and can play a few different positions

We were never going to get a decent pick for him as FA Compo. We can always trade out future picks to find NGA points if we need them.

 

[Sully111]

Given we already have 5 out the door it is not the end of the world keeping Ross as long as he is only paid a basic wage which it sounds like we offered.
Would personally prefer to keep him than Kent.

We were never going to get a decent pick for him as FA Compo. We can always trade out future picks to find NGA points if we need them.

The problem with that is he gets games ahead of others.

If he stays he needs to be a last resort.

Rather move on tbh

 

[Saint_Dos]

The problem with that is he gets games ahead of others.

If he stays he needs to be a last resort.

Rather move on tbh

I am not for him getting a game ahead of others but if it comes down to playing him or Kent I know what I would prefer.
Surely with a fully fit squad pressure for spots will either make him flourish or fall out.

There werent many to drop him for this year.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

I am not for him getting a game ahead of others but if it comes down to playing him or Kent I know what I would prefer.
Surely with a fully fit squad pressure for spots will either make him flourish or fall out.

There werent many to drop him for this year.

To be perfectly honest I’d rather run out with 21 players than to see Ross ever play again.

 

[Premium]

I am not for him getting a game ahead of others but if it comes down to playing him or Kent I know what I would prefer.
Surely with a fully fit squad pressure for spots will either make him flourish or fall out.

There werent many to drop him for this year.

Surely the only way Kent and Ross play is if we are struck down by injuries - having Steele , Crouch , Jones , Gresham , Clark there is no need for him and no where to hide him on the field.
It time for Byrne , Bytel , Connolly to get game time , of course if they warrant it.
Same goes with Geary.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Ross will be fine after a year and a half in the vfl. It did wonders for DT.

 

[Saint_Dos]

Surely the only way Kent and Ross play is if we are struck down by injuries - having Steele , Crouch , Jones , Gresham , Clark there is no need for him and no where to hide him on the field.
It time for Byrne , Bytel , Connolly to get game time , of course if they warrant it.
Same goes with Geary.

Exactly my view. All the players you named I would hope would play in front of Ross.
But if we have another year like this one we may be calling on all 40 players.

Ross as depth like Jones, Hibberd, Melksham, Jetta play for Melbourne is not a bad thing as long as we arent paying them an arm and a leg.
Just because he is listed doesnt mean he needs to play but could put pressure from below much like Dunstan did this year.
If we delist him or he goes for a end of 3rd rd pick we arent going to gain much. Just a couple of points to spend and a spot for a DFA

 

[Premium]

Gold Coast Suns are most probably going trade off load one of there high draft picks knowing they will have to up the salaries of quite a few next year , I wouldn't be surprised if they off load Rankine , Crows have most probably been looking at him from when he was drafted.

 

[Monika72]

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He's got good hair

 

[Significant]

Is it a faux pas by the AFL site that Dunstan is identified as delisted? Why in the world would we delist him before the trade period, when we aren't sure of the level of interest or trade value? Seems like a massive mistake by the club it this has already been undertaken...

 

[bird_man]

I think the concept of 2 big bodied defenders is getting replaced with mobile intercept types that can work as a team. Highmore is probably the guy that best fits our needs so I’d prefer we just stick to that strategy rather than look to pick any KPDs.
Plus we still have Joyce.

Out of the last 6 sides left in the comp, Port are probably the side that sets up like that.

Dogs, Dees, Geelong, Brisbane and the Giants all went in with at least two genuine tall key defenders.

They then usually have their Highmore types around them.

 

[Saint_Dos]

Is it a faux pas by the AFL site that Dunstan is identified as delisted? Why in the world would we delist him before the trade period, when we aren't sure of the level of interest or trade value? Seems like a massive mistake by the club it this has already been undertaken...

Unless Dunstan said he wanted out and the AFL said we wouldnt get compo.
They seem to be pretty open about the compo to clubs

 

[gringo2011]

Unless Dunstan said he wanted out and the AFL said we wouldnt get compo.
They seem to be pretty open about the compo to clubs

We would have got something, we could have used it on an academy kid. Even absolute trash players get something back.

 

[Saint_Dos]

We would have got something, we could have used it on an academy kid. Even absolute trash players get something back.

Unless it was an end of 4th rounder?