List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

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Remboy · Sep 6, 2021

BrutThough said:
Brisbane have no incentive to accept a shity offer from Freo. Neale is contracted for 2 more seasons. And Peter Bell has made it very clear that overs is the only acceptable price for a player under player contract - see Brad Hill.

Brisbane has a father son prospect next year who is looking like a top 3 prospects so have no use for a future first.

Bell will need to pony up at least that pick 6 and something else.

Acres should get it done.

gringo2011 · Sep 6, 2021

bird_man said:
No way we'd have two of them at Sandy.

2 get a game even with a key defender IMO.

Coff is definitely the most adaptable and might have a future on the wing, but hehasnt shown that style yet. He rarely uses his pace to advantage.

Who do you move out? If you go Howard and a new stopper say Talia as the KPs, Wilkie as an interceptor, Coff as an interceptor and Highmore as an interceptor, then Webster/ Paton, Hill and Sincs, possibly Hunter Clark dropping back there, Dmac and Seb were both at times playing that HBF wing hybrid at times, Connolly looks at home as a HBF. That's a lot to fit into our back 6. You either leave out mids or forwards to fit more in.

To me the best set up is probably Webster/ Paton, Talia, Highmore/ Wilkie as deep backs, the next line we'd have Hill, Howard and Coffield/ Sinclair. You then have Connolly, one of Highmore/ Wilkie, one of Paton or Webster, Sincs, Hill or Coff all needing new spots or playing at Sandy and you have to find new roles for Clark, Seb, DMac. Allison is being developed as a KPB and Clav and Joyce as depth in defence.

I wish we had as many mids developing as we do backs.

gringo2011 · Sep 6, 2021

bird_man said:
You've left a few players out there Punter

Geelong have Henderson and Blivcas who is nearly 200cm. They then have Koldjas in between them and Henry.

Melbourne then have Harrison Petty at 197 to go with May and Lever.

Dogs have Gardner to go with Keath

As.i said in an earlier post, Port were the only team in the 6 last teams left to not run with two genuine tall key defenders.

Melbourne also haven't played Petty for every game and he's just a stopper for the big guys. I think that was what we would have liked too.

hangdog · Sep 6, 2021

Bing couldn't even get a top 10 finish in the Suns B&F.

Trade value just dipped a little

bird_man · Sep 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Melbourne also haven't played Petty for every game and he's just a stopper for the big guys. I think that was what we would have liked too.

Petty came as soon as Tomlinson went down from memory so they've always gone with 3 big guys back there which is been great for Lever.

He's played every game since round 8

gringo2011 · Sep 6, 2021

bird_man said:
Petty came as soon as Tomlinson went down from memory so they've always gone with 3 big guys back there which is been great for Lever.

He's played every game since round 8

Thomlinson was a running rebounder despite his size though so it wasn't a like for like.

The Punter · Sep 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Who do you move out? If you go Howard and a new stopper say Talia as the KPs, Wilkie as an interceptor, Coff as an interceptor and Highmore as an interceptor, then Webster/ Paton, Hill and Sincs, possibly Hunter Clark dropping back there, Dmac and Seb were both at times playing that HBF wing hybrid at times, Connolly looks at home as a HBF. That's a lot to fit into our back 6. You either leave out mids or forwards to fit more in.

To me the best set up is probably Webster/ Paton, Talia, Highmore/ Wilkie as deep backs, the next line we'd have Hill, Howard and Coffield/ Sinclair. You then have Connolly, one of Highmore/ Wilkie, one of Paton or Webster, Sincs, Hill or Coff all needing new spots or playing at Sandy and you have to find new roles for Clark, Seb, DMac. Allison is being developed as a KPB and Clav and Joyce as depth in defence.

I wish we had as many mids developing as we do backs.

I don't think Connolly's long term future is as a defender. I'd say he was there this year for his development.

My ideal back seven (six plus one interchange) is Howard, Wilkie, Coffield, Highmore, Sinclair, Paton & Webster. I think Hill returns to the midfield and Clark is a midfielder already.

Joffaboy · Sep 6, 2021

sammm said:
hopefully next year Brownlow and us and in the finals. It would be difficult for Steel to win a brownlow if we don't don't make finals next year

Not really, if we are MoR team there are less players to take votes from him if he is a standout

Joffaboy · Sep 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Who do you move out? If you go Howard and a new stopper say Talia as the KPs, Wilkie as an interceptor, Coff as an interceptor and Highmore as an interceptor, then Webster/ Paton, Hill and Sincs, possibly Hunter Clark dropping back there, Dmac and Seb were both at times playing that HBF wing hybrid at times, Connolly looks at home as a HBF. That's a lot to fit into our back 6. You either leave out mids or forwards to fit more in.

To me the best set up is probably Webster/ Paton, Talia, Highmore/ Wilkie as deep backs, the next line we'd have Hill, Howard and Coffield/ Sinclair. You then have Connolly, one of Highmore/ Wilkie, one of Paton or Webster, Sincs, Hill or Coff all needing new spots or playing at Sandy and you have to find new roles for Clark, Seb, DMac. Allison is being developed as a KPB and Clav and Joyce as depth in defence.

I wish we had as many mids developing as we do backs.

Well we have been drafting half back flankers for about 8 years, no wonder we look good down back

bird_man · Sep 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Thomlinson was a running rebounder despite his size though so it wasn't a like for like.

He was playing a very different role this year before injury.

He was mostly taking a key forward and pairing up with May.

There was plenty of media talk about how well that set up was working at the time and how it was helping May and Lever .

L_W_P · Sep 6, 2021

BrutThough said:
Brisbane have no incentive to accept a shity offer from Freo. Neale is contracted for 2 more seasons. And Peter Bell has made it very clear that overs is the only acceptable price for a player under player contract - see Brad Hill.

Brisbane has a father son prospect next year who is looking like a top 3 prospects so have no use for a future first.

Bell will need to pony up at least that pick 6 and something else.

Which is why I think it'll be an interesting standoff.

If I'm Freo I'm happy to just keep drafting players and visit this again in 12 months.

There's no need for Brisbane to take a "low-ball" offer but there's also no incentive for Freo to go overboard.

It's not as though they have actively been wooing Neale. He wants to go home so that his family can be around his new baby.

Freo don't lose anything if the deal doesn't happen. I hope they stick firm. Neale's not worth it.

11men1cup · Sep 6, 2021

Bing didn't finish ,top 10 in the GC b n f

I did hear a whisper from My sauces tell me they belong in the pantry and not the fridge

Can go any westinghouse

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St Neil · Sep 6, 2021

hangdog said:
Bing couldn't even get a top 10 finish in the Suns B&F.

Trade value just dipped a little

That’s ridiculous.

He should feel unloved. Come home son!

stavro#4 · Sep 6, 2021

bird_man said:
Agree.

At the moment we've got Wilkie playing that 2nd key defender role.

He's a serviceable defender, he's played some good games and struggled a bit in others. I'm just not sold he's a genuine key defender and having one would free our Lever types up hugely.

Even Wilkie himself was a very good intercept mark in his first year and that part of his game has all but disappeared.

The issue we'd be left with if we did find a genuine key defender is whether we could play Coff, Wilkie and Highmore all in the same side.

Probably not a bad problem to have though.

Coffield Wilkie and Highmore are 3 very different types of intercept defenders to just label them as Intercept players.

Coffield is more of a lane interceptor. Good positioning, great at cutting off the drilled kick. Not amazing at the high ball.

Highmore is more your high ball interceptor. Hasn’t shown a whole heap as a lockdown just yet. But very very good under a high ball - which is probably the most damaging type of interceptor.

Wilkie is the best one on one defender and is the best of the 3 as an interceptor in one on one contests.

if you want to play all 3 + Howard and another Key back. It leaves only 1 spot left for Webster/Paton/Sinclair.

ideally…. We go back to a back 7. Highmore as the loose man. Wilkie as the third tall. Coffield playing on the resting mid/second small. Paton/Webster on the best smalls. Sinclair as the attacking flanker

Howard + CHB take the key talls.

becoming an elite intercept team will have us in contention, regardless of a midfield that isn’t elite.

Yawkey way · Sep 6, 2021

St Neil said:
Brisbane paid pick 4 to Freo for Neale. Since then he has won a Brownlow, he’s worth more than pick 4 now. And he’s contracted.

Freo will need to pay up. Maybe they pay the first rounder they get for Cerra (pick 6) and then a swap of first round picks (picks 8 and 14). That’s a total of 2,141 draft points or almost pick 3.

Maybe a swap of later picks if Brisbane push it a bit.

This is the problem faced by clubs when contracted players ask to be traded, pay what their worth, overpay or look for a bargain deal. Fremantle should hold the line, it‘s really Brisbane and Neal’s problem, what’s the imperative for Fremantle their not in a window.

Not that st Kilda were interested but posters baulked at a four year deal for Parker as a free agent. Neale is six months younger and Fremantle should sell the farm because Brisbane couldn’t keep him happy, no thanks.

Premium · Sep 6, 2021

Yawkey way said:
This is the problem faced by clubs when contracted players ask to be traded, pay what their worth, overpay or look for. a bargain deal. Fremantle should hold the line, it‘s really Brisbane and Neal’s problem, what’s the imperative for Fremantle their not in a window.

Not that st Kilda were interested but posters baulked at a four year deal for Parker as a free agent. Neale is six months younger and Fremantle should sell the farm because Brisbane couldn’t keep him happy, no thanks.

Fremantle should just say they don't want him and if the take him it will be for a first round selection and that's it.
His other option is WCE and they will have to offload a Yeo or Gaff to fit him into there cap.

gringo2011 · Sep 6, 2021

The Punter said:
I don't think Connolly's long term future is as a defender. I'd say he was there this year for his development.

My ideal back seven (six plus one interchange) is Howard, Wilkie, Coffield, Highmore, Sinclair, Paton & Webster. I think Hill returns to the midfield and Clark is a midfielder already.

The discussion is more how do you fit another KPD in with Wilkie, Coff and Highmore all in there. An ideal set up probably has two KPs ( Howard and Talia ), two midsized or adaptable defenders Wilkie/ Coffield/ Highmore/ Webster. 2 smaller defenders Hill, Paton, Connolly, Clark etc. Either way it's going to get tricky fitting everyone who deserves a game. If Hill and Clark move back to the mids then we have an excess there as well.

We definitely look more like a developing side than a hardened finals outfit with lots of options but not many owning a best 22 spot without good arguments for giving others a chance.

gringo2011 · Sep 6, 2021

stavro#4 said:
Coffield Wilkie and Highmore are 3 very different types of intercept defenders to just label them as Intercept players.

Coffield is more of a lane interceptor. Good positioning, great at cutting off the drilled kick. Not amazing at the high ball.

Highmore is more your high ball interceptor. Hasn’t shown a whole heap as a lockdown just yet. But very very good under a high ball - which is probably the most damaging type of interceptor.

Wilkie is the best one on one defender and is the best of the 3 as an interceptor in one on one contests.

if you want to play all 3 + Howard and another Key back. It leaves only 1 spot left for Webster/Paton/Sinclair.

ideally…. We go back to a back 7. Highmore as the loose man. Wilkie as the third tall. Coffield playing on the resting mid/second small. Paton/Webster on the best smalls. Sinclair as the attacking flanker

Howard + CHB take the key talls.

becoming an elite intercept team will have us in contention, regardless of a midfield that isn’t elite.

Sounds good in theory.

SaintsSeptember · Sep 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Who do you move out? If you go Howard and a new stopper say Talia as the KPs, Wilkie as an interceptor, Coff as an interceptor and Highmore as an interceptor, then Webster/ Paton, Hill and Sincs, possibly Hunter Clark dropping back there, Dmac and Seb were both at times playing that HBF wing hybrid at times, Connolly looks at home as a HBF. That's a lot to fit into our back 6. You either leave out mids or forwards to fit more in.

To me the best set up is probably Webster/ Paton, Talia, Highmore/ Wilkie as deep backs, the next line we'd have Hill, Howard and Coffield/ Sinclair. You then have Connolly, one of Highmore/ Wilkie, one of Paton or Webster, Sincs, Hill or Coff all needing new spots or playing at Sandy and you have to find new roles for Clark, Seb, DMac. Allison is being developed as a KPB and Clav and Joyce as depth in defence.

I wish we had as many mids developing as we do backs.

I've wished that for over a decade.

stavro#4 · Sep 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Sounds good in theory.

It’s that or play with Wilkie as a key back.

or one of Coffield/Highmore/Sinclair can’t play down back.

gringo2011 · Sep 6, 2021

stavro#4 said:
It’s that or play with Wilkie as a key back.

or one of Coffield/Highmore/Sinclair can’t play down back.

It sounds ideal but somehow we have to find the balance. There were times this year where our backline looked our strength and others where they were under siege and looked a like they battled manfully despite the midfield not helping at all. To me we looked better in defence when Dunny came in as it added a bit more of a spread through the ball winners.

What ever we do I think we need another good on baller. It might be that Clark or Gresham are already that but if they don't I think the midfield could be our Achilles heel. Steele, Crouch and Jones is a good set up but the moment one has a bad game the whole thing looks shit.

Desperate saint · Sep 6, 2021

gringo2011 said:
Who do you move out? If you go Howard and a new stopper say Talia as the KPs, Wilkie as an interceptor, Coff as an interceptor and Highmore as an interceptor, then Webster/ Paton, Hill and Sincs, possibly Hunter Clark dropping back there, Dmac and Seb were both at times playing that HBF wing hybrid at times, Connolly looks at home as a HBF. That's a lot to fit into our back 6. You either leave out mids or forwards to fit more in.

To me the best set up is probably Webster/ Paton, Talia, Highmore/ Wilkie as deep backs, the next line we'd have Hill, Howard and Coffield/ Sinclair. You then have Connolly, one of Highmore/ Wilkie, one of Paton or Webster, Sincs, Hill or Coff all needing new spots or playing at Sandy and you have to find new roles for Clark, Seb, DMac. Allison is being developed as a KPB and Clav and Joyce as depth in defence.

I wish we had as many mids developing as we do backs.

I also noted in the last game at the final siren Coff and Acres were standing together from memory Acres was 193 and Coff was significantly taller so grown a bit i reckon

Premium · Sep 6, 2021

stavro#4 said:
It’s that or play with Wilkie as a key back.

or one of Coffield/Highmore/Sinclair can’t play down back.

Play Coffield in a different role , he wasn't drafted to just be a halfback flanker - has the skill and ability to play just about anywhere like a Goddard.

We now have many options , a good headache to have.
Our problem though is if Howard goes down then it's a migraine.

SaintsSeptember · Sep 6, 2021

Yawkey way said:
This is the problem faced by clubs when contracted players ask to be traded, pay what their worth, overpay or look for a bargain deal. Fremantle should hold the line, it‘s really Brisbane and Neal’s problem, what’s the imperative for Fremantle their not in a window.

Not that st Kilda were interested but posters baulked at a four year deal for Parker as a free agent. Neale is six months younger and Fremantle should sell the farm because Brisbane couldn’t keep him happy, no thanks.

Read between the lines.
Lachie has stated that his wife and he want to raise their child in W.A.

That means his wife has decided she wants to go back. Her mum is there ( guessing ), and her other relatives and old friends.

Nothing Brisbane can do about this sort of elemental force.

SaintsSeptember · Sep 6, 2021

Premium said:
Play Coffield in a different role , he wasn't drafted to just be a halfback flanker - has the skill and ability to play just about anywhere like a Goddard.

We now have many options , a good headache to have.
Our problem though is if Howard goes down then it's a migraine.

A HBF was exactly what Coffieild was drafted as, with speculation that he could grow into other roles.
He may have played a couple of midfield games as a junior.

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