List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

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Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

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13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Their mids can win their own ball so while not ideal they could probably still do it. Salem is their rebound.

We thought that about Steele, Crouch and our boys but they really struggled when we had Hunter/Mckernan even sometimes with Marshall solo. So many times our guys wouldn’t shark the opposition ruckman’s taps, they’d just setup assuming we’d win

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

How close are Clarko and Ratts?
I doubt Clarko would Backdoor him and probably would not respect us for suggesting it.
I think we’re f’ed when it comes to Clarko.

Clarko’s pretty much said he won’t backstab Dew, they’re good mates. I’m pretty sure him and Ratts are also very close.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

People think he's like some reincarnation of Fiora or something.
Jack is nowhere near as soft as people suggest.

Surely he did a pretty good contribution to the team getting across the line against west coast ( round 4 ) when he got 13 contested possessions.

Not sure if his role has changed, he won more contested ball and clearances in 2019, and tackled more as well.

Agree I’ve seen him take some good hits.

 

[gringo2011]

Crazy to think how crap our list has been. No one jumping to take Ross, Billings or Dunstan off our hands. Thank goodness we've gone hard at the trade table bringing in solid players. Far out 2013-2019 were some lean years. Remember how we somehow managed to finish 9th and 11th in '16 and '17 and thought we were ready to push into finals?

I am now confident we are on track to be a long-term well-managed club. Whatever we do at this year's trade period, the club has my confidence.

I think they would have been desirable if they were paid at their level. Those guys have been paid like superstars at the Saints. Our lack of success and superstars also doesn't have people drooling over our talent either. Until we find super stars or high level players we are no better or worse. Our main issue has been an inability to find top players in the last 20 years. Steele and King look like 2 and now we probably need another 2 to 3 and a level below them to step up. Billings, Dunny and Seb were the Hunter Clark, Coffield and Paton of their era.

 

[gringo2011]

How close are Clarko and Ratts?
I doubt Clarko would Backdoor him and probably would not respect us for suggesting it.
I think we’re f’ed when it comes to Clarko.

Ratts and Richo were supposed to be mates.

 

[Sully111]

I want finals. I think if Ratts doesn't make finals he's f’ed. We'd be on the phone to Clarko if we are looking like missing finals again.

I want a flag

 

[gringo2011]

We thought that about Steele, Crouch and our boys but they really struggled when we had Hunter/Mckernan even sometimes with Marshall solo. So many times our guys wouldn’t shark the opposition ruckman’s taps, they’d just setup assuming we’d win

I didn't. Steele is good and the others okay but we still look pretty pedestrian in the midfield. That's why I was keen to keep Dunny. I think Hunter copped it for playing when the whole side played an absolutely disinterested and gutless style of footy as well. I think there was a bit of finger pointing at the one different player but it wasn't just him. They looked lazy and flat for the first half a year.

 

[gringo2011]

I want a flag

Me too. Not sure I'll ever see one but Ratts wouldn't make it to his next contract if they underperform no matter how many kids he plays. The board would probably spill if we fall over again.

 

[gringo2011]

Agree I’ve seen him take some good hits.

And they were just the bitchy things I said about him on BF.

 

[BrutThough]

People think he's like some reincarnation of Fiora or something.
Jack is nowhere near as soft as people suggest.

Surely he did a pretty good contribution to the team getting across the line against west coast ( round 4 ) when he got 13 contested possessions.

Not sure if his role has changed, he won more contested ball and clearances in 2019, and tackled more as well.

Played half forward a lot more this year after his foot injury than in 2019 when he was a full time wing.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Ratts and Richo were supposed to be mates.

Yeah but Ratts was stealthed in as an assistant. Poor ole Choey would have known he was ****ed the minute they appointed Ratts.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Ratts and Richo were supposed to be mates.

Can go any mate
mate can go any club

 

[SaintyMcSaintface]

I didn't. Steele is good and the others okay but we still look pretty pedestrian in the midfield. That's why I was keen to keep Dunny. I think Hunter copped it for playing when the whole side played an absolutely disinterested and gutless style of footy as well. I think there was a bit of finger pointing at the one different player but it wasn't just him. They looked lazy and flat for the first half a year.

I do think our midfield improves with a year at the Saints under Crouch's belt. I think he struggled to understand his role earlier in the season. Jones has shown he is very handy. Hopefully Gresh gets a good run at it. I don't think there's any excuses now for a less than competitive midfield week in, week out.

 

[SaintyMcSaintface]

All thre are best 22 if good enough and great depth if not.
I have no probs keeping.

I think they would have been desirable if they were paid at their level. Those guys have been paid like superstars at the Saints. Our lack of success and superstars also doesn't have people drooling over our talent either. Until we find super stars or high level players we are no better or worse. Our main issue has been an inability to find top players in the last 20 years. Steele and King look like 2 and now we probably need another 2 to 3 and a level below them to step up. Billings, Dunny and Seb were the Hunter Clark, Coffield and Paton of their era.

Yep, totally agree. Part of my point is that other teams are not rating players who have been very important to us. If any of those guys had been playing at Richmond the last few years I think they get a lot more interest. We also know they're not good enough to be our best players and push us into finals.

 

[prophetic1]

I think they would have been desirable if they were paid at their level. Those guys have been paid like superstars at the Saints. Our lack of success and superstars also doesn't have people drooling over our talent either. Until we find super stars or high level players we are no better or worse. Our main issue has been an inability to find top players in the last 20 years. Steele and King look like 2 and now we probably need another 2 to 3 and a level below them to step up. Billings, Dunny and Seb were the Hunter Clark, Coffield and Paton of their era.

I still believe that H&C can be something beyond , he certainly has something that sets him apart......He is someone I would dearly love to take on the kind of work ethic STEELE has.......just a tad more muV8scle and elite level fitness ....he could surprise us, hell, surprise himself even!!!............ and...... just maybe, even his MUM ...but then again its damn hard to surprise them...they always believe..Thank God for MUMS hey!!!!!!

 

[sammm]

He said Hanners will be gone…

he still might be right about that. hanners could be gone, its a soft tissue injury only for him to be gone

 

[sammm]

I lost all interest in Buckanarra the year he said our trade/draft was a fail because we gave up pick 6 for Carlisle and 18 because we could have drafted Kieran Collins.

Said Collins was the 3rd best player in the draft.

Collins was drafted at pick 26 by the Western Bulldogs. He was the 11th KPP taken in the draft. He played 1 game in 3 years before being delisted.

#expert

i like that

 

[Sully111]

Me too. Not sure I'll ever see one but Ratts wouldn't make it to his next contract if they underperform no matter how many kids he plays. The board would probably spill if we fall over again.

Don't necessarily agree. I think it would depend on player development and how we're looking.

Think the board spill is a bit over the top mate.

Regardless, that's why I mentioned Ratts' selection motivation. If it's all about his contract, that's less than ideal.

Clear plan for a flag... that's what i'm hoping is in place.

 

[Joffaboy]

Salem is a better footballer than Billings.


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You do understand what the word 'arguably ' implies.

And for what its worth Salem is not.

 

[prophetic1]

Salem would be close to elite now. His ability to distribute the ball out of defence is incredible. He goes down and they are a much worse side. I'd have him as their most important player.

**** they have a few don't they!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Clarko’s pretty much said he won’t backstab Dew, they’re good mates. I’m pretty sure him and Ratts are also very close.

So let me get it straight.
They will all sit down to a zoom call over beers, and Ratten will say, " Clarko, you want an easy year out of the limelight, but its a crap year for travelling, why not just come and do a nice cushy assistant roll at the Saints, Roughy is here, itll be fun. Clarko thinks about it and says yeah.
Then Dew will say, " i can see where my gig here is going, and it always looks cooler to be the one to dump the other, so mind if i join the party"?

 

[Saintbloke]

Billings is a good player, not a star. He is like a quite a few of our list who have a few good games, maybe one stand-out game a season, then have a string of ordinary games with little impact. If we're going to get into finals again, we need to do something about our inconsistency as a team and need to trade to get more strength and speed generally. Easy peasy!

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Can go any mate
mate can go any club

 

[St Neil]

Ratts and Richo were supposed to be mates.

Clarkson also has a lot of other mates at the Saints now. If he doesn’t leave Victoria (which is very possible) then we would have to be a serious option for him.

Also Moorabbin is close to his home and he could make a historical impact at a foundation club with a good young list.

 

[CaptainRisky]

He's a good player but the last thing we need unfortunately

Lets add another 190cm player when we , or some cant find a spot for Coff