List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[bird_man]

Footy changes very fast.

It wasn't that long ago that Richmond won a flag with one key forward and Grigg as their second ruck.

Now sides seem to be going tall down back and tall down forward.

Melbourne have 3 key defenders and a similar sized forward line to what wed have if we got Bing.

Most good sides are running with 2 to 3 tall key defenders that can intercept and then even having medium intercepting types around them.

West Coast were about the only side running with 2 genuine rucks and others were just throwing undersized players in there to pinch hit, now most of the best sides are going with a pair of them.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Footy changes very fast.

It wasn't that long ago that Richmond won a flag with one key forward and Grigg as their second ruck.

Now sides seem to be going tall down back and tall down forward.

Melbourne have 3 key defenders and a similar sized forward line to what wed have if we got Bing.

Most good sides are running with 2 to 3 tall key defenders that can intercept and then even having medium intercepting types around them.

West Coast were about the only side running with 2 genuine rucks and others were just throwing undersized players in there to pinch hit, now most of the best sides are going with a pair of them.

I imagine teams are opting to go tall in the forward line because the A grade midfielders are now essentially more dangerous than the specialised small forwards. When you have 2-3 midfielders going forward and kicking goals in open play they're essentially crumbers who can get their own ball

 

[bergholt]

They get him for free anyway. He’s an unrestricted free agent.

Yep but dilutes any compo they might get - not sure if they're getting any though so you're probably right

 

[bergholt]

A bit like Paddy & Roma couldn’t work together that so many on here protested?

Yep very similar, except this time I'm right

 

[Captain Paddy]

Nar, I genuinely believe we aren't planning on him for this year.

Trying to get picks this year makes a lot sense.

We need to add midfield talent to our list before Bing and this year's draft is full of them.

If we can also get a pick before our NGA selections we could end up with a draft haul of 4 top 35 picks which would be great.

We've also got very few 18-21 year olds on our list (less than anyone) so I'd imagine we'd want to fix that.

Me might not have many 18-21 year olds but the majority of our list are 25 and under.

Our improvement comes from within. Guys like Clark, Coff, Higgins, Bytel, Byrnes, Connolly, Highmore, Paton, King and Sharman all improving 10% on last year.

Plus a healthy Gresh, Ro, Jones.

ALSO, it’s important to note how much turnover we’ve had over the last couple of years. Another year of everyone meshing and playing together/understanding how best to use eachother etc

Howard, Jones, Hill, Butler, Higgins, Ryder and Crouch are all best 22 that have joined in the last two years. That’s a third of our best 22.

Add to that King, Clark, Coff etc and it’s pretty clear that we have a promising list that haven’t played much together but with some luck on the injury and Covid front. We’re gonna bounce really quickly.

 

[snails13]

Yeah from my understanding there is no difference (in the rules) between a delisted free agent and an unrestricted free agent. Matter of fact the term ‘unrestricted’ isn’t even used in the rules. It’s just free agent and restricted free agent. But because Dunstan qualifies as a FA, we get compensation if he leaves.

Surely not as a DFA

 

[bergholt]

Where has that been reported?

Every report I have seen is we are looking for a cheap, back-up option.

Not the impression I got, but I hope you're right!

 

[St Neil]

Yeah from my understanding there is no difference (in the rules) between a delisted free agent and an unrestricted free agent. Matter of fact the term ‘unrestricted’ isn’t even used in the rules. It’s just free agent and restricted free agent. But because Dunstan qualifies as a FA, we get compensation if he leaves.

In trade terms, there is no difference between an UFA and a DFA. The player can walk to his club of choice.

 

[bird_man]

Me might not have many 18-21 year olds but the majority of our list are 25 and under.

Our improvement comes from within. Guys like Clark, Coff, Higgins, Bytel, Byrnes, Connolly, Highmore, Paton, King and Sharman all improving 10% on last year.

Plus a healthy Gresh, Ro, Jones.

ALSO, it’s important to note how much turnover we’ve had over the last couple of years. Another year of everyone meshing and playing together/understanding how best to use eachother etc

Howard, Jones, Hill, Butler, Higgins, Ryder and Crouch are all best 22 that have joined in the last two years. That’s a third of our best 22.

Add to that King, Clark, Coff etc and it’s pretty clear that we have a promising list that haven’t played much together but with some luck on the injury and Covid front. We’re gonna bounce really quickly.

I think you still need to have a good balance of age on the list.

I don't think having a massive gap in quality for 3 or 4 years is great list management.

This seems like the perfect year to hit the draft, much like Port did in 2018 and Melbourne did in 2019.

 

[hangdog]

Cameron and Hawkins: 196cm & 198cm
Naughton and Bruce: 195cm & 198cm
Dixon and Marshall: 200cm & 198cm
Brown and McDonald: 200cm & 194cm
Daniher and Hipwood: 201cm & 203cm

Although they cross the magical 200cm line, the Kings are more mobile than the majority of that group. So, I’d suggest you can fit 2 x 200cm forwards easily. The game, and the players within it, is changed/changing.

Brisbane also roll with Dan McStay who's 195cm and Tom Fullarton (202cm) got some games. Plus Big O rests forward while Daniher pinch hits in the ruck.

 

[Mowman]

I wouldn't pay that much attention to Mitch Cleary. He also valued Ben Long's trade value at pick 40. GAGF I reckon!

He is wrong about long pick 40 pfft . I wouldn't give pick 50 for him

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Isn't there a point where the club officially de-lists them. IE no longer a part of the StKilda football club.

At that point they would be former AFL players, and no further compensation payable.

 

[Saint_Dos]

If the club wants to do this then the picks need to be no later than pick 18 because bids for Daicos and Darcy will be matched.

Pick 18 will become pick 20. Saints can match any bid from pick 21.

I would be targeting Brisbane’s picks if we decide to go down this path. But our football department will have good intel about what other clubs might be doing.

There are also a few other father son / academy players who have been spoken as going late teens to early 20's at various times. Not sure where they sit these days though
Jase Burgoyne (Port)
Bodhi Awland (GC)
Blaine O'Laughlin (Adel)

 

[hangdog]

So after years and years and years of "always pick the best player available" its now "pick a mid, pick a mid any mid but pick a mid".

Tis a draft filled with Mids to be fair.

 

[Saint_Dos]

Last year 3 NGA's went in the first round and ended up at sides that finished in the top 8. JUH to Dogs 8th, Lachie Jones to Port 3rd and Reef McInnes to Pies 6th

As I posted in the Draft thread, Saints and Carlton are the only clubs to not get a kid through the NGA system in any way. Arguably two clubs who've needed it most. The AFL is a farce.

Also the 2 clubs who got the worst zoning out of the lot too

 

[AirWinmar]

Isn't there a point where the club officially de-lists them. IE no longer a part of the StKilda football club.

At that point they would be former AFL players, and no further compensation payable.

I'm pretty sure the afl contract year ends October, I would think if your not contracted at that stage you would be delisted

 

[Captain Paddy]

It’s crazy that Matt Rendell has been around so long and been involved with so many clubs because he has some god awful takes on players and lists.

 

[puppy_dog7]

Wow. Apparently Rendell reckons Sloane can kick 40 goals next season as a permanent forward. Bloke has nfi

 

[saintsmania]

So GC will be interested in Dunny as a rookie only..hope he knows now how he is rated externally too.

 

[Saint_Dos]

I'm pretty sure the afl contract year ends October, I would think if your not contracted at that stage you would be delisted

31st October I believe

 

[moirae42]

This thread delivered for me this arvo.

Got my head out of the misery corner.

 

[stfan]

A bit like Paddy & Roma couldn’t work together that so many on here protested?

I think the argument was more that playing Paddy as the No 1 ruck would stunt the development as Marshall as a ruckman, compared to if Marshall was played as the No 1 ruck all the time.

As it stands Marshall's actual ruck craft has not improved.

The rest of Marshall's game is very good. The following part of his game is excellent, but his actual tapwork has not really progressed.


Marshall could well be the best forward ruck in the competition, and so yes has proven to be a great fit with Paddy as the No1 Ruck.

At the ruck contest Marshall does seem to lack the leap that a good ruckman uses.

So the strategy now (and perhaps it always was the club's actual plan) could well be to find a replacement No 1 ruck to Paddy, rather than Marshall become the No 1 ruck.

Max Heath could well be that player, but he is raw. So we may need a fill in for a year or three. Hunter is not that player.

Someone like Ladhams would be workable, as long as he is ok to not play every game in 2022. But that would be more playing two ruck forwards, than a No1 ruck and ruck forward.

 

[stfan]

So after years and years and years of "always pick the best player available" its now "pick a mid, pick a mid any mid but pick a mid".

It is still pick the best player available. But when it comes time to call out a name if we rate two players pretty much the same and one is a mid, then go for the mid.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Says Lieutenant Smug ...

Must have been a great post MG , it is gone , you can PM if you like

 

[pebblesofsand]

It is still pick the best player available. But when it comes time to call out a name if we rate two players pretty much the same and one is a mid, then go for the mid.

Yeah I get that.

But if we are talking about getting Bing then the available mid would need to be Sam Walsh rather than Adam Cerra.