List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

24

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

26

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

35

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday November 3 - Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Thursday November 11 - Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2 – completion: Thursday November 25 (7pm - late)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday 6 December

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday 19 December - Sunday 9 January

 

[hangdog]

Suns fans fuming in their forum. Understandable. I kinda feel for them

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Saints have done the shuffle onto the rookie list thing several times.
I think the key is you need to choose your player.
Whoever you choose is essentially a free agent and open to offers from other clubs.
We did it with injuries like Jarryd Allen , to see out his contract.
From memory we did it with Andrew McQualter

Andrew Mcqualter

Age

37

Ht

179cm

Wt

74kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

5.6

2star

HB

7.2

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.2

3star

. yes someone could have poached him but we were prepared to take that risk.
I think we did it with Adam Schneider

Adam Schneider

Age

39

Ht

175cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

3.1

5star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

, and maybe a suspended Ahmed Saad

Ahmed Saad

Age

34

Ht

175cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.6

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

0.8

1star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.8

5star

.
We could probably do it with Geary and be confident we would keep him.

When Gold Coast picked up Greenwood, he was a terrific moneyball get.
But hell , make him a free agent with a one year contract? Very poor judgement.

 

[AirWinmar]

And some people were melting Dunstan might bite us in the ass. This definitely hurts the suns

If they had fans they'd be melting big time

 

[bird_man]

Good call.

It wasn't my call dude, it was Greenwoods himself

 

[pebblesofsand]

Suns fans fuming in their forum. Understandable. I kinda feel for them

I agree - lots of people taking the opportunity to bag Gold Coast but they are picking the wrong target.

Greenwood agreed to plan to help the club out and then reneged on the deal and stitched the Suns up. Ordinary performance from Greenwood.

 

[Yawkey way]

He was disrespected at the Crow's just going by management saying he wouldn't be missed then he goes to the Gold Coast and shows he is one of the best clearance players in the league and then gets de listed and told he would be picked backup.
I really feel for this bloke , he is striving to be the best he can be to get the most out of his career as well as coin and for a team to throw him on the rookie list is not great for his value as a player - it's the great he left.

All there highly prized recruits would be looking how he was treated and they would be ready to pull the pin when there contract is up.
I can't see Rankine , Luko and King being there next year and if they all go I would expect they will be called Tazzie Devils the following year.

I can’t see that happening unfortunately, the AFL will come up with some new rule to keep then going.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I agree - lots of people taking the opportunity to bag Gold Coast but they are picking the wrong target.

Greenwood agreed to plan to help the club out and then reneged on the deal and stitched the Suns up. Ordinary performance from Greenwood.

Make ANY player a free agent, and they are a chance to get offers from other clubs.
They might just get an offer they like.

He's had an unusual sports career and probably hasn't had a chance to cash himself up.
He needs to get what he can IMO.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

If they had fans they'd be melting big time

They have a venting page. After reading a bit I feel sick. Those poor people have gone dead they’re not even angry

 

[David C]

Essendon did not want Mosquito. Richmond maybe, but he has done nothing is now gone.

Biggie is to be re-rookied.

 

[George]

Biggie is to be re-rookied.

I wonder if North Melbourne will make an announcement this afternoon.

 

[BigMonty]

Whole thing makes no sense. As a Rookie surely he is on a Rookie wage.

Whereas if a club says come onto our main list we can pay you more and give you a two year contract as per any new draftee.

Or the PSD where Norf can say hey we will pay you 300k a year come to us and GCS go eat a dick.

Sounds like Dunstan mark 2 but we didn't really want him.

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[bird_man]

Whole thing makes no sense. As a Rookie surely he is on a Rookie wage.

Whereas if a club says come onto our main list we can pay you more and give you a two year contract as per any new draftee.

Or the PSD where Norf can say hey we will pay you 300k a year come to us and GCS go eat a dick.

Sounds like Dunstan mark 2 but we didn't really want him.

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He was going back on the senior list on the same wage

 

[The Punter]

If we gave them Dunstan and Punter probably could have taken them for Sam Collins and Lukocious

I didn't want to go to the Gold Coast.

 

[Chef Ratts]

It wasn't my call dude, it was Greenwoods himself

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Round one next season, Sun's vs Norff?

 

[pebblesofsand]

Make ANY player a free agent, and they are a chance to get offers from other clubs.
They might just get an offer they like.

He's had an unusual sports career and probably hasn't had a chance to cash himself up.
He needs to get what he can IMO.

Make an agreement with a player and you'd expect the player to keep the agreement.

Greenwood wasn't a player who was delisted with the only expectation being that the his club MAY pick him up again if no one else offers him a better deal.

The only reason he was delisted in the first place is that he agreed to a process with GCS in full knowledge that he was going to be redrafted on the same contractual arrangement.

 

[phantom13]

I think your position on the Greenwood one ultimately comes down to your view on loyalty and morals therein.

IMO AFL is a business for players and teams, that Greenwood found himself in a unique position and North offered him (substantially i believe) more money which he took is just smart business from a 29 year old who might not have much longer left in his career.

I think if any of us got offered way way more money to do the exact same job at another employer wed likely take it (or at least strongly consider it).

 

[bergholt]

Whole thing makes no sense. As a Rookie surely he is on a Rookie wage.

Nah, rookie list has nothing to do with the salary. You can be earning $1m a year on the rookie list if the club wants.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Suns fans fuming in their forum. Understandable. I kinda feel for them

They have a forum?

 

[Chef Ratts]

Doesn't seem like Greenwood was on much money at the Suns. Anyone know his (previous) contract details?

 

[Chef Ratts]

Never mind...

"If Greenwood hits the clause to trigger a third season, he’d earn a total of around $1.2 million over the three years. His 2022 contract was worth around $400,000 with the Suns, who couldn’t offer the midfielder a longer deal of that nature."

(From foxfooty)

 

[phantom13]

Never mind...

If Greenwood hits the clause to trigger a third season, he’d earn a total of around $1.2 million over the three years. His 2022 contract was worth around $400,000 with the Suns, who couldn’t offer the midfielder a longer deal of that nature.

So $400k a year for two (likely three) or $400k a year with no guarantee of any more money or years post that.

I must admit im suprised he was on $400k a year at the suns but here we are.

 

[George]

I think your position on the Greenwood one ultimately comes down to your view on loyalty and morals therein.

IMO AFL is a business for players and teams, that Greenwood found himself in a unique position and North offered him (substantially i believe) more money which he took is just smart business from a 29 year old who might not have much longer left in his career.

I think if any of us got offered way way more money to do the exact same job at another employer wed likely take it (or at least strongly consider it).

There is an element of loyalty that I'd expect from Greenwood to not leave the Suns in the situation he was in, but I can also see that at the end of the day it's a business and quite frankly the Suns shouldn't have toyed with the risk involved in delisting one of your best midfielders. It's easy to see both sides. It was a ruthless move by North Melbourne and not one that makes many friends, but if they're in the business of doing whatever they can to be successful, you don't care what outsiders think and you make decisions that may not be popular but allow you to improve.

Ultimately Gold Coast are to blame, it was their decision to delist him.

 

[BrutThough]

So $400k a year for two (likely three) or $400k a year with no guarantee of any more money or years post that.

I must admit im suprised he was on $400k a year at the suns but here we are.

Gold Coast shouldn't have been surprised. One of the reasons he left Adelaide because Gold Coast was because Gold Coast offered a substantially better contract. He's just done it again with North. And good on Greenwood for taking it - no often a decent to good player gets offered that type of contract twice!

400k seems to be the Gold Coast standard for average type players - Greenwood, Atkins and now Chol. If you are a borderline player at another club and GC aren't offering you 400k for 3-4 years, you should feel insulted.

 

[Barrels]

In hindsight they probably should have kept Casboult

Anti-vax/“vax hesitant” as well…

Apparently waiting for the Novavax.

 

[phantom13]

I know its not the place for the discussion but in a word, Casboult cant train until hes vaxxed correct?