Analysis 2021 trade thread

[mick1013]

Someone who i have always liked and think worth looking at- Will Brodie

23

Will Brodie

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

, Out of contract next season would cost a 3rd Rounder, 189cm big body mid dominated VFL this year. Thoughts?

 

[Pns_blister]

Someone who i have always liked and think worth looking at- Will Brodie, Out of contract next season would cost a 3rd Rounder, 189cm big body mid dominated VFL this year. Thoughts?

Slow and a horrible two-way runner.

 

[jackess]

"Dominated the VFL" is a long way from a guarantee they'll be able to contribute to the best 22 of a side pushing for a premiership

 

[irel]

Someone who i have always liked and think worth looking at- Will Brodie, Out of contract next season would cost a 3rd Rounder, 189cm big body mid dominated VFL this year. Thoughts?

We have a similar and better option on our list. Ely who can't get a game for related reasons.

 

[Quigley]

Ryan is 3 years older than the standard draftees from memory and last year looked a couple of years behind as far as ruck work goes before he was drafted. He looked lost in the AFL when he played this year. Not saying he won't get there but I would not be betting on him being useful next year which is what we need.

Smith was a solid guy when he started and continued to put bulk on over the season and would be as big now as a good number of AFL starting rucks. With a full preseason under his belt he will certainly have the bulk to compete at AFL level. He is going to be a monster size wise. Quite frankly I do not see Ryan offering anything more than Smith next year.

Lane will not have the same bulk as the other two but is the best ruck technician and the one I expect to be the most useful next year of the three. He is more mobile and whilst still physically developing he is not a stick.

 

[BrisVegasDru]

Amiss has got bust written all over him

in case anyone thinks i'm being negative that was very funny a- miss

 

[POBT]

Ryan is 3 years older than the standard draftees from memory

Only 2, I think.

 

[jackess]

The recruitment of Lane just perplexes me unless we thought he was close to being able to handle himself ok at AFL level.

If we keep him on the list I don't think we'll recruit another ruck.

 

[dlanod]

Part of money ball is getting in undervalued options that fit a need/ niche you need to fill isn’t it? Regardless of what it means I think posters here would understand what I’m alluding to with the term. Apologies to anyone who has been offended or left confused by my inappropriate use of the term.

Getting a player cheap to fit a need isn't "money ball", it's just normal planning. Moneyball was around identifying systemically undervalued attributes and then recruiting people who don't necessarily display traditionally valued attributes but excel in the undervalued attributes.

An AFL example has been some clubs (and then all of them) devaluing rucks in the earlier parts of the draft because physically they looked the part but rarely actually contributed to the drafting team and not at the level expected compared to other picks at that level. A second would be where possession numbers were previously a substantial focus on draftees, there's been an increased focus on smaller overall possession numbers but higher contested ball numbers in the U18s that had been undervalued by comparison but demonstrated relatively better results in the AFL. Those are two that have become public - there's probably more internal to clubs.

Unlike in US sports however, most Moneyball-style ideas in the AFL are observed by watching club actions rather than fan analysis. This is partly because we don't have the same sabermetrics-style culture here but also partly because statistics and the like are not freely available - instead they're stuck behind Champion Data's paywall who are effectively keeping a monopoly on this kind of analysis as a result.

Now, having said all that, English is a constantly evolving language, "Moneyball" wasn't even an AFL term until the movie came out, and as long as people understood what you meant I think pinging you on it is trivial and silly.

 

[Tom14]

Getting a player cheap to fit a need isn't "money ball", it's just normal planning. Moneyball was around identifying systemically undervalued attributes and then recruiting people who don't necessarily display traditionally valued attributes but excel in the undervalued attributes.

An AFL example has been some clubs (and then all of them) devaluing rucks in the earlier parts of the draft because physically they looked the part but rarely actually contributed to the drafting team and not at the level expected compared to other picks at that level. A second would be where possession numbers were previously a substantial focus on draftees, there's been an increased focus on smaller overall possession numbers but higher contested ball numbers in the U18s that had been undervalued by comparison but demonstrated relatively better results in the AFL. Those are two that have become public - there's probably more internal to clubs.

Unlike in US sports however, most Moneyball-style ideas in the AFL are observed by watching club actions rather than fan analysis. This is partly because we don't have the same sabermetrics-style culture here but also partly because statistics and the like are not freely available - instead they're stuck behind Champion Data's paywall who are effectively keeping a monopoly on this kind of analysis as a result.

Now, having said all that, English is a constantly evolving language, "Moneyball" wasn't even an AFL term until the movie came out, and as long as people understood what you meant I think pinging you on it is trivial and silly.

Its fine though because Kingy gets access to the champion data stats and brings us genius insights like this:

 

[JasRulz63]

Smith was a solid guy when he started and continued to put bulk on over the season and would be as big now as a good number of AFL starting rucks. With a full preseason under his belt he will certainly have the bulk to compete at AFL level. He is going to be a monster size wise. Quite frankly I do not see Ryan offering anything more than Smith next year.

Size wise he doesn't look out of place against Archie, who's got another 7 pre-season on him.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Ryan is 3 years older than the standard draftees from memory and last year looked a couple of years behind as far as ruck work goes before he was drafted. He looked lost in the AFL when he played this year. Not saying he won't get there but I would not be betting on him being useful next year which is what we need.

Smith was a solid guy when he started and continued to put bulk on over the season and would be as big now as a good number of AFL starting rucks. With a full preseason under his belt he will certainly have the bulk to compete at AFL level. He is going to be a monster size wise. Quite frankly I do not see Ryan offering anything more than Smith next year.

Lane will not have the same bulk as the other two but is the best ruck technician and the one I expect to be the most useful next year of the three. He is more mobile and whilst still physically developing he is not a stick.

My mate's son played with Samson at Sherwood in Brisbane. He is a very talented athlete, went to school up in Toowoomba so had very little competitive AFL at any level and might have easily gone to cricket which he was exceptional at also. Then back in Brisbane he was playing QAFL not NEAFL so he is coming from a long way back. If recruiters look for character, dedication, multi-talented sports people then it's him. In reality most people were surprised when Collingwood drafted him but don't underestimate the kid with a bit of time.

 

[M Malice]

Sydney Stack

44

Sydney Stack

Age

26

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.7

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

202.0

3star

D

9.8

2star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.8

4star

MG

133.0

2star

D

16.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

227.4

4star

still OOC, no idea what he would cost trade and salary wise.

 

[blueiris]

Sydney Stack still OOC, no idea what he would cost trade and salary wise.

According to Jon Ralph he was set to sign at Richmond a month ago

 

[blueiris]

What exactly does Lynch bring to our team dramatically?

 

[mattsmob]

What exactly does Lynch bring to our team dramatically?

If you're talking about Tom Lynch from Adelaide then not enough to warrant chasing him in my opinion, he's in the same boat as Jack Gunston as guys who are past their prime, had injury issues and don't quite offer what we need as our current forward set-up is the most dynamic part of our game and not something I'd be playing around with too much.

 

[Section 5]

What exactly does Lynch bring to our team dramatically?

Insurance for Oscar mainly, but we may just stick with what we have
Preferably we need a F/R but i think he is a R
OOC at the Pies but they need to offload players again this year
He would be fairly cheap according to reports which fits our salary cap issues. Age 23 years a week ago
One of the few rucks this year to match Gawn in a game
We do have Henry Smith as mentioned above but he is young. Turns 19 in a week but no AFL & limited VFL games
Lane who was recruited mid season on a 6 month contract
Fullarton playing the F/R role but needs to improve which i think he will

 

[blueiris]

If you're talking about Tom Lynch from Adelaide then not enough to warrant chasing him in my opinion, he's in the same boat as Jack Gunston as guys who are past their prime, had injury issues and don't quite offer what we need as our current forward set-up is the most dynamic part of our game and not something I'd be playing around with too much.

Talking about Max Lynch

 

[mattsmob]

Talking about Max Lynch

Ahh yep my bad

 

[briztoon]

My mate's son played with Samson at Sherwood in Brisbane. He is a very talented athlete, went to school up in Toowoomba so had very little competitive AFL at any level and might have easily gone to cricket which he was exceptional at also. Then back in Brisbane he was playing QAFL not NEAFL so he is coming from a long way back. If recruiters look for character, dedication, multi-talented sports people then it's him. In reality most people were surprised when Collingwood drafted him but don't underestimate the kid with a bit of time.

Richmond.

 

[Lace Out]

Liam McBean

Liam Mcbean

Age

31

Ht

202cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.2

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.2

2star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.2

3star

could be interesting,good mates with Daniher.

 

[jackess]

Liam McBean could be interesting,good mates with Daniher.

Might be a good backup plan especially if we can put him on the rookie list for a year

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Its fine though because Kingy gets access to the champion data stats and brings us genius insights like this:

Some people say they like King's analysis. What they're actually liking is the analysis Champion Data give to him to regurgitate. I'm assuming Montagna is in the same boat.

When he makes his own stuff up... well, let's agree that it usually isn't quite as good in quality.

 

[Davemonkey]

What exactly does Lynch bring to our team dramatically?

Well, his Macbeth is sublime!

 

[wantok]

Might be a good backup plan especially if we can put him on the rookie list for a year

Hippy fill in at a very cheap price. Well worth a punt.Could release Joe back to his relieving Ruck role or could do it himself.

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