Analysis 2021 trade thread

[WhiteLionFeva]

Hawks will eventually realise that the days of other clubs paying overs for their discards are over, especially in the era of tight salary caps. JOM and Mitchell aren't worth now what they once were. Even as recently as last year.

 

[Quigley]

Lane is as good a player as English? A bloke who nearly played in a premiership? It maybe, god forbid, be a season long emergency if something happened to O. We need another plan.

In the ruck contest. English is very good around the ground but in the ruck contest he is very ordinary. I think Lane could provide as much influence in the ruck contest as English. Admittedly he would be a long way behind around the ground but in that area I think he would be likely midtable for a ruck around the ground.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I wonder what Sam Powell-Pepper would be on? Has exactly the burst / strength we are missing from the midfield. Wants more midfield time wherever he goes. Presumably on something like 400k so a fantasy really. Out Mathieson, in SPP would be a real win for the list. Anyway, clearly i'm bored

Kenny doesn't rate SPP as a midfielder, which is why he's gettable. Flukey player that will probably never reach his potential. The 'burst' happens when he's near goal but not anywhere else that I've observed.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

So there was an offer

 

[bungalow_bill]

Kenny doesn't rate SPP as a midfielder, which is why he's gettable. Flukey player that will probably never reach his potential. The 'burst' happens when he's near goal but not anywhere else that I've observed.

Aside from that sounds like a bit of a douche going by what happened in an Adelaide club a few years back

 

[Quigley]

I wonder what Sam Powell-Pepper would be on? Has exactly the burst / strength we are missing from the midfield. Wants more midfield time wherever he goes. Presumably on something like 400k so a fantasy really. Out Mathieson, in SPP would be a real win for the list. Anyway, clearly i'm bored

You would be paying more money for a VFL player who does not provide the cultural advantages that Mathieson does.

Cockatoo is a similar type of player who has more upside if he can get truly fit.

 

[mattsmob]

So there was an offer

The whole thing stinks of Freo trying to go behind everyone’s back only for it to blow up in their face.

 

[mpal6]

The whole thing stinks of Freo trying to go behind everyone’s back only for it to blow up in their face.

I think either Freo were trying to corner Neale into making a decision openly or the family was leaking it to sow the seeds in preparation for the move. Might have given Freo more leverage/upperhand in discussions as well as assurance that this is indeed happening. I suspect no one was prepared for the circus that followed.

 

[martinson]

If we could get a gun/burst midfielder who would definitely improve us then obviously if we could afford it we'd be going for it but I don't see O'Meara or SPP being any great improvement on what we have with expected improvement of those on our list.

 

[BangyBangy]

While I wouldn’t say Omeara Wingard and Mitchell are needs for us, those 3 legit pulled our pants down in Tasmania this year.

And all it took for motivation was for Clarkson to announce he was stepping down.

Maybe they're better suited to Carlton.

 

[Nuggo]

Danny Daly on radio now with Dwayne. Key points:
- Fort is the main priority, Cox/Casboult etc are unlikely (I believe that’s because we are pretty confident Fort is coming in); keen on the 2 ruck set up;
- Haven’t heard from Hawthorn about any players etc;
- Lachie 100% staying, could not be more categorical;
- We want to take both pick 14 and 18 to the draft as the high end of the draft has been ignored for a few years;
- The 3 boys still out of contract will be told after the trade period what’s happening with them.

On the two ruck set up I wonder if that is still with Hippy in the team. Fort on the bench rotating with Ruck and Forwards. Therefore Hippy's spot (before he returns) is a flexible sport depending who is available and who we play. Could be another tall like Fullarton, Payne or Lester or a medium/small player.

 

[BangyBangy]

Danny Daly on radio now with Dwayne. Key points:
- Fort is the main priority, Cox/Casboult etc are unlikely (I believe that’s because we are pretty confident Fort is coming in); keen on the 2 ruck set up;
- Haven’t heard from Hawthorn about any players etc;
- Lachie 100% staying, could not be more categorical;
- We want to take both pick 14 and 18 to the draft as the high end of the draft has been ignored for a few years;
- The 3 boys still out of contract will be told after the trade period what’s happening with them.

Pfft. We're hardly going to win trade week if that's all we're doing.

Because you know, it's all about who 'WINS' trade week.

Actual footage of Jon Ralph when he listened to Danny Daly's update and realised we're not backending a contract & using a list spot for Gunston.

 

[briztoon]

I'm relaxed with Fort / Ceglar / Briggs. Only one that would worry me if we give a first rounder away for Ceglar, even if there is something coming back. Have to keep 2 in first round this year.

I am not a draft watcher but I would lean towards best 2 mids with our first two picks. If you add in Ashcroft next year, and Fletcher, we can keep up a reasonable quota of mids.

What does everyone think the mids quota should be? I work by 7 in the 1s, 7 in the 2s. That gives you 14 which translates to about a third of your list, slightly more when you factor in rucks. That feels about right but given mids get all the glory, do we need more than that?

I would anticipate after next year's draft we would have:

3 Veterans: Lyons, Neale, Zorko (if still playing mid)
7 with Medium experience: McCluggage, Berry, Rayner, Bailey, Starcevich, Robertson, Mathieson.
6 Emerging: Ashcroft, Pick 14, Sharpe, Prior, possibly pick 18, possibly Fletcher.
4 De-listed: Ely Smith, Joyce, CEY, M Robinson.

From your list, I’d have Zorko playing mostly as forward flanker and part of the forward 7 starting 22.

I wouldn’t include Starcevich or Prior as mids, as I believe both belong in the defensive 7 starting 22.

You forgot about Tom Berry. Keep or delist?

 

[briztoon]

I wonder what Sam Powell-Pepper would be on? Has exactly the burst / strength we are missing from the midfield. Wants more midfield time wherever he goes. Presumably on something like 400k so a fantasy really. Out Mathieson, in SPP would be a real win for the list. Anyway, clearly i'm bored

Butches the ball by foot. Probably worse than Matho by foot.

 

[scoman]

Is O’Meara really that impactful? When he first came into the league it looked like he was the next big thing but at this stage Lyons is better than him in his role.

Agree. Lyon was exactly the guy I thought of. Im sure Hawks fans will sell him as at least the equivalent of Lyon. Either way it's not really what we are looking for. Would rather give more time to Rayner, Bailey and Clugga and use a first round pick on another kid, to help spread the talent and age profile.

 

[JasRulz63]

Brisbane Lions GM of Football Danny Daly on Dwayne's World - Friday 8th October

Danny Daly speaks to Dwayne about the trade landscape at the Brisbane Lions.

player.whooshkaa.com

For anyone that wants to listen to the Daly interview.

 

[BuntonRules]

Butches the ball by foot. Probably worse than Matho by foot.

Unpossible

 

[bungalow_bill]

Career average disposal efficiency/turn overs

SPP 67.1 / 3.4
Barometer 72.5 / 3.1

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Career average disposal efficiency/turn overs

SPP 67.1 / 3.4
Barometer 72.5 / 3.1

And Matho is on a modest upward curve, SPP has plateaued.

 

[Sproj]

Brisbane Lions GM of Football Danny Daly on Dwayne's World - Friday 8th October

Danny Daly speaks to Dwayne about the trade landscape at the Brisbane Lions.

player.whooshkaa.com

For anyone that wants to listen to the Daly interview.

Well that is pretty categoric that Fort will 99% sure be a Lion.

When asked about Sam, was he referring to Walsh?

 

[blueiris]

There’s no actual highlights of Fort playing so not sure what the Lions actually see in him there hasn’t been much VFL played in the last 2 seasons seems more a backward trade like the days of Trent West

Trent West

Age

38

Ht

199cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

G

1.0

4star

 

[spotthedog1]

There’s no actual highlights of Fort playing so not sure what the Lions actually see in him there hasn’t been much VFL played in the last 2 seasons seems more a backward trade like the days of Trent West

It's a backup trade, not a backwards trade. We know we aren't trading in Max Gawn. We're also paying a quite low wage. Provided that we don't give up a lot to get him, who cares.

 

[jackess]

Well that is pretty categoric that Fort will 99% sure be a Lion.

When asked about Sam, was he referring to Walsh?

Seems pretty straight forward from here. Trade for Fort, some pick swaps into next year. Delist BSmith, Joyce, Ballenden and move someone from the senior to rookie list. Possibly put Joyce on the rookie list. Take 3 at the draft

 

[jackess]

There’s no actual highlights of Fort playing so not sure what the Lions actually see in him there hasn’t been much VFL played in the last 2 seasons seems more a backward trade like the days of Trent West

Would you feel better if we picked up a 28 year old ruck in the draft?

 

[Mighty Lions]

Kalin Lane keeps coming up as some
sort of solution to our ruck problems
if O went down. What has he done that gives anyone this impression? He was picked up with a very low pick in the mid season draft and has played a few mediocre games in the 2’s. He may develop but is no where near ready now physically or experience wise and truth be known may never be. Anyone who thinks we don’t need a ruck who can at least hold his own/make a contest against Nic Nat, Gawn, Grundy etc is kidding themselves.

Really? Nic Nat nearly won the game off his own boot when we played them at the end of the home & away season. Gawn is unstoppable when in form like the whole of season 2021 and Grundy (in my opinion had a poor year this season) was held by Fullerton & Big O.I love the Big O but even he cant hold his own against Nic Nat, Gawn & Co. Anyone who thinks he can is kidding themselves. (disrespectful comment said in jest)