List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

34

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[robboaustralia]

Rozee was a st kilda supporter.

Was he? Oh well.

 

[Crow till I die]

At this stage they don’t have the capital. I can’t see anyone above us wanting to drop all the way down to 8. The most likely team to trade with them is us


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They will have the amon pick which will be around 20ish

 

[glengowan]

Twomeys top 30 out today

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' August ranking

Gotta love how these VFL "experts" always list Phillipou as the son of Western Bulldog 3 game player Sam. No word on his other 150 games. Or even more so, his Grandfather Peter who played 270 SANFL league games pre-AFL plus three seasons in Canberra due to work during the middle of his career, where he played well enough to be named Centre in the ACT All Time Legends team.

 

[crow2crow]

Rozee was Crows? Hasn't stopped him playing well for Port.

rozze wasnt crows
rankine and lukosius were crows that draft

 

[rabidcrow]

They will have the amon pick which will be around 20ish

True. But I don’t see the Bombers GWS WC or North giving up a top for pick so they can get pick 20-25. To bigger slide. 5 to 8 is about as far as aside would go I think

I also don’t think we would do it anyway


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[Crow till I die]

True. But I don’t see the Bombers GWS WC or North giving up a top for pick so they can get pick 20-25. To bigger slide. 5 to 8 is about as far as aside would go I think

I also don’t think we would do it anyway


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True - unless port sent this years and next years across and were looking for a 2nd rounder back with a top 5 pick?..but if we end up somehow holding pick 5, it certainly will cost them if they wanted to try and move up the order

 

[crow2crow]

True - unless port sent this years and next years across and were looking for a 2nd rounder back with a top 5 pick?..but if we end up somehow holding pick 5, it certainly will cost them if they wanted to try and move up the order

we will not be trading with pork pear verbatim

 

[sutts]

Twomey's talent order released today is a good read. Generally the most reliable pundit in terms of draft prospects.

The more I think about it, the more I feel pick 5 should be traded for two picks. Rankine is out of contract, and we have seen with Dawson that AFC are tough negotiators. We don't need a pick as high as five to secure Rankine with the PSD a risk to GCS. The obvious target is Richmond - indicatively holding 12 + 19. With something low value going their way to balance it out, effectively 5 for 12 + 19 leaves us with trade currency for Rankine and a pick to take a player before bids for MM come.

I've read Keeler is on a few posters wishlists, and the parochial South Aussie in me loves that too. Pick 19 (which will likely end up being 21) likely secures Keeler as things stand today. Let's hope he doesn't go too well at the combine. If Hotton and George slide as far as Twomey predicts, I wouldn't be surprised if Hamish goes for either. George smacks of Lever - highly rated with an ACL at the worst possible time.

All crystal ball stuff at the moment... But how fun is silly season?! Bring on trade week!

 

[glengowan]

Crows at the start: pick 5 is not on the table.

Gold Coast at the start: pick 5 or we're not talking.

........and then........

If Crows fold: we'll give you pick 5 and something if you get us Brisbane first rounder.

If Gold Coast fold: ok, we'll take your future 1st.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Twomey's talent order released today is a good read. Generally the most reliable pundit in terms of draft prospects.

The more I think about it, the more I feel pick 5 should be traded for two picks. Rankine is out of contract, and we have seen with Dawson that AFC are tough negotiators. We don't need a pick as high as five to secure Rankine with the PSD a risk to GCS. The obvious target is Richmond - indicatively holding 12 + 19. With something low value going their way to balance it out, effectively 5 for 12 + 19 leaves us with trade currency for Rankine and a pick to take a player before bids for MM come.

I've read Keeler is on a few posters wishlists, and the parochial South Aussie in me loves that too. Pick 19 (which will likely end up being 21) likely secures Keeler as things stand today. Let's hope he doesn't go too well at the combine. If Hotton and George slide as far as Twomey predicts, I wouldn't be surprised if Hamish goes for either. George smacks of Lever - highly rated with an ACL at the worst possible time.

All crystal ball stuff at the moment... But how fun is silly season?! Bring on trade week!

pick 5 is worth a heap more than pick 12 and 19..

if we’re trading pick 5 I want pick 8, 9 or 10 coming back along with another 1st rounder.

not two picks from 12 onwards.. no flipping way

has to be something like when we traded 4 to GWS for 6 and their next years first.

its a Top 5 pick.

 

[Runnin Blue]

Rozee was Crows? Hasn't stopped him playing well for Port.

Rozee was a st kilda supporter.

Rozee was a Rooster, IS a Rooster and will always be A ROOSTER!

 

[StonesThrow]

When did we get pick 1?
Not the brightest argument
Clarke is not in the top tier (4 players) of this draft so at least compare apples with apples.
He is in the 2nd tier with 4-5 others and there's a few mids that are quite different to our current lot.
So if you couldn't separate Philipou, McKenzie, Tsatsas and Clarke on current talent and future projection would you take Clarke based on size when the rest of our mids are quite small?

If you feel we need or could do with another 180cm mid then surely Hamish has failed miserably with Milera, Gallucci, Poholke, Sig, Davis, Jones, McHenry, Berry, Taylor, Soligo, Schoenberg, Pedlar.

Surely we have 5 currently that we would rate without including Laird, Rachele and now Rankine.

I mean how many 180cm mids does a side need?

I don't think he's in the same tier.

Clarke is relatively high probability of being an A grade mid. Philipou is speculative. Do I want to speculate? Yeah, but I'm close to indifferent.

 

[Mutineer]

I don't think he's in the same tier.

Clarke is relatively high probability of being an A grade mid. Philipou is speculative. Do I want to speculate? Yeah, but I'm close to indifferent.

No "e" mate.

And yes Clark is a very safe bet to be a very good AFL level mid.

 

[sutts]

pick 5 is worth a heap more than pick 12 and 19..

if we’re trading pick 5 I want pick 8, 9 or 10 coming back along with another 1st rounder.

not two picks from 12 onwards.. no *ing way

has to be something like when we traded 4 to GWS for 6 and their next years first.

its a Top 5 pick.

That GWS trade should not be the measure of success. GWS moved forward two spots to effectively protect their first round selection and hold their academy player in Green. They walked away with two top-10 draft picks, which many at the time believed would be two top-5 picks (jury is still out on Ash, but Green looking to be a great player already).

There isn't a likely scenario this year that offers the same value for pick 5. If you get better than 12 + 19, of course you take it. That said, splitting pick 5 for something like 12 + 19 lands you Rankine, gives you two selections in the top 25, protects next year's first rounder. Agree we need to be ambitious at the draft table, but balance that with the bigger picture.

As I said, it's all crystal ball stuff at the moment. Richmond could still win the flag...

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[Mego Red]

The best news in that is that Keeler has fallen to pick 29 in expert opinion so there's a slim possibility he could slip past 40, Max has also slipped to 28 too so the further he falls the less we have to pay

Keeler wasn't even in the last Twomey phantom, was he?

 

[Bearded Clam]

Keeler wasn't even in the last Twomey phantom, was he?

Pretty sure he was.. around pick 14 i think..

 

[rabidcrow]

That GWS trade should not be the measure of success. GWS moved forward two spots to effectively protect their first round selection and hold their academy player in Green. They walked away with two top-10 draft picks, which many at the time believed would be two top-5 picks (jury is still out on Ash, but Green looking to be a great player already).

There isn't a likely scenario this year that offers the same value for pick 5. If you get better than 12 + 19, of course you take it. That said, splitting pick 5 for something like 12 + 19 lands you Rankine, gives you two selections in the top 25, protects next year's first rounder. Agree we need to be ambitious at the draft table, but balance that with the bigger picture.

As I said, it's all crystal ball stuff at the moment. Richmond could still win the flag...

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Seems unnecessarily spiteful for GC though. Why wouldn’t we just get 25 back from them and give them 5? Do we need to feel like we win the trade so badly (not give them 5) just to move 6 spots up the second round?

Do we really need to give Richmond a top 5 pick for a minimal gain? Highly unlikely we could use 19 and 23 anyway the way list spots currently look (if we were looking at MM as well)


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[baldandbroke]

Could not agree more, he's a big bodied 188cm running back with a booming kick that has all the hallmarks of being able to transition into a mid very quickly IMO. Think Brodie Smith with a harder edge. He's been so good at setting up the Tassie Devil's play from half back on the NAB League the coach is probably reluctant to give him too much time in the midfield.

Cowan can play. Great defensively / in the contest, big boot, good overhead too.

Reminds me of Maynard from the pies.

 

[Mego Red]

Seems unnecessarily spiteful for GC though. Why wouldn’t we just get 25 back from them and give them 5? Do we need to feel like we win the trade so badly (not give them 5) just to move 6 spots up the second round?

Do we really need to give Richmond a top 5 pick for a minimal gain? Highly unlikely we could use 19 and 23 anyway the way list spots currently look (if we were looking at MM as well)


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Would we do our future first for 12 and 19, and Richmond give the future first to GWS for Taranto? GWS will end up with too many picks in this draft if they're not careful.

 

[Crow till I die]

Seems unnecessarily spiteful for GC though. Why wouldn’t we just get 25 back from them and give them 5? Do we need to feel like we win the trade so badly (not give them 5) just to move 6 spots up the second round?

Do we really need to give Richmond a top 5 pick for a minimal gain? Highly unlikely we could use 19 and 23 anyway the way list spots currently look (if we were looking at MM as well)


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The only thing to that is 19 + 23 most certainly gets you brisbane's 1st which maybe pick 14 and maybe a late pick for MM points

That would put us right in the hitting zone for someone like ollie hollands whos been good and has an older crows loving brother

 

[craig crowing]

Dont see much point discussing who to get with pick 5 as we lost that when trading for Rankine in one way or other.
We will have to use pick 5 by splitting or getting some thing back to get Rankine .
Lets face it even if we can trade Frampton ,Sholl ,Crouch and McAsey all will only get around 3rd rounders at best .
IF we can get a trade, which apart from Frampton not looking promising. Who I would keep.
Worth noting also currently we dont have a 3rd or 4 th round pick so Reid got a hell of a job getting some trades out done ,securing Rankine ,selecting how to reduce numbers with a lot of poor performers with contracts.
Also as others have noted 2 players have to be elevated to main list from rookies.
Personally can't see us in a position to get Keeler or a 1st rounder mid , so believe need to be looking at one of other SA talls in Verrall etc. and maybe best mid near 2nd round .
Great to get Rankine but comes at a price both in trade and $ value.

 

[rabidcrow]

Would we do our future first for 12 and 19, and Richmond give the future first to GWS for Taranto? GWS will end up with too many picks in this draft if they're not careful.

I don’t see much benefit in getting 19. 12 and Richmond’s future first maybe (replacing the future first we gave up). I assume in this scenario though we would give GC 5 and keep 12 for ourselves


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[Thetrader15]

Seems unnecessarily spiteful for GC though. Why wouldn’t we just get 25 back from them and give them 5? Do we need to feel like we win the trade so badly (not give them 5) just to move 6 spots up the second round?

Do we really need to give Richmond a top 5 pick for a minimal gain? Highly unlikely we could use 19 and 23 anyway the way list spots currently look (if we were looking at MM as well)


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Don't underestimate the value of a few spits in the draft.

Remember Port dropped from 10 to 12 and ended up with Bergman over Kosi Pickett.

Personally I'm not trading 5 at all.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

A top club who can afford to warehouse him for a couple of years while he makes a full recovery. Probably need to have plenty of good picks so able to potentially burn one, and be in Victoria, he's from up on the Murray, Tatura?

Or GWS who will have a shopping list of picks and tight cap.

 

[sutts]

Seems unnecessarily spiteful for GC though. Why wouldn’t we just get 25 back from them and give them 5? Do we need to feel like we win the trade so badly (not give them 5) just to move 6 spots up the second round?

Do we really need to give Richmond a top 5 pick for a minimal gain? Highly unlikely we could use 19 and 23 anyway the way list spots currently look (if we were looking at MM as well)


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Spiteful? No. Simply holding the line. It's not about moving up six spots in the second round, it's about maximising our position at the trade and draft tables. With 12 + 19 comes options.

Extra picks get a deal for Rankine done, at a price more closely aligned to his real value. The added point value brings Brisbane to the table, who need to match approx 3050 points based on Twomey's talent order (as mentioned by a poster above). If a trade with Brisbane doesn't work out, it affords you picks before bids on our own father/son prospect. It also allows you to on-trade for other options - still lots to play out.

Picks 12 + 19 is unlikely to happen but it illustrates what I feel AFC should be looking to do - move back to hold two picks in the top 20. I might be wrong about Rankine's value but good negotiators are ambitious and know what their best alternative to a negotiated agreement is.

I know this is a draft thread, but it baffles me that so many people on these boards have adopted the default position of giving up pick 5 for Rankine. Last year we secured Dawson - who finished 3rd in the Swans B&F - for a future first tied to the newly crowned premiers. We told Sydney to forget about our first rounder. Rankine is a different player, but his situation is very similar: out of contract, requested a trade, nominated the Crows, PSD pick looming. Our back office cops so much grief for contracts, draft selections, etc. One thing they have done well is show the world they are tough but fair negotiators. GCS are not in a position of power.