List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

34

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[anonymous Derik]

His dad was a hardcore port fan

What a flog!

 

[madstar]

I think Hartlett who was drafted in the same draft as Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

was a Crows supporter


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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Who players barrack for carries equal billing with favourite colour

 

[Danger in Texas]

I think Hartlett who was drafted in the same draft as Brodie Smith was a Crows supporter


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Two drafts earlier, but valid point

 

[crow2crow]

Who players barrack for carries equal billing with favourite colour

hmmm not so sure

last 20 years you right but if you look at recent times there has been an acknowledgement from the crows that they needed at least some players with a better connection to the jumper

this led to the pursuit of dawson, the selection of an ooc hinge, now pursuit of rankine, drafting of TT, drafting of rowe ahead of where he really was (rookie at best)

it certainly holds more weight than favourite color

if we look at what's happening in this comp I so wish the draft would f off and move to zoning again. and before anyone says there aren't enough players in SA - just adjust the zones to be fair because given the number of teams in melbourne it would work out about the same. academies actually would mean something, players stay in home states so none of this go home rubbish, better connection and so on.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

hmmm not so sure

last 20 years you right but if you look at recent times there has been an acknowledgement from the crows that they needed at least some players with a better connection to the jumper

this led to the pursuit of dawson, the selection of an ooc hinge, now pursuit of rankine, drafting of TT, drafting of rowe ahead of where he really was (rookie at best)

it certainly holds more weight than favourite color

if we look at what's happening in this comp I so wish the draft would f off and move to zoning again. and before anyone says there aren't enough players in SA - just adjust the zones to be fair because given the number of teams in melbourne it would work out about the same. academies actually would mean something, players stay in home states so none of this go home rubbish, better connection and so on.

That's state they were born in/lived in

 

[Miss Vanessa]

hmmm not so sure

last 20 years you right but if you look at recent times there has been an acknowledgement from the crows that they needed at least some players with a better connection to the jumper

this led to the pursuit of dawson, the selection of an ooc hinge, now pursuit of rankine, drafting of TT, drafting of rowe ahead of where he really was (rookie at best)

it certainly holds more weight than favourite color

if we look at what's happening in this comp I so wish the draft would f off and move to zoning again. and before anyone says there aren't enough players in SA - just adjust the zones to be fair because given the number of teams in melbourne it would work out about the same. academies actually would mean something, players stay in home states so none of this go home rubbish, better connection and so on.

About 7-8 years ago I actually took a deep dive into what would have happened had every AFL team been assigned either an U18 team each, or a selection of clubs from their respective State Leagues. I suggested that before the draft proper each team could select a single player of their choice from these clubs. This would ensure that each club would have a core of players from a single feeder club/region and provide a real connection with that broader community.

I actually plotted out which players clubs would have received based on the first person drafted from each feeder club since the 2000 draft. Other than a single U18 team that hadn’t produced many decent players and the West Australian teams probably being better off than most other clubs, it all came out in the wash pretty much.

Bottom teams would still get to choose first from the best of the rest - which was still a great crop of players. Dangerfield for example wouldn’t have automatically gone to Geelong as someone else from the Falcons had already been selected in his draft year.

I really like the idea of something like this. With only one zonal selection clubs couldn’t simply stack their associated teams with talent as they’d simply be developing great players other teams could pickup once they’d used their selection. I think it would actually make each club feel much more like a “proper” club. Plus, the AFL could still have their two nights of drafting action with the reveal of each teams selection one night followed by the normal draft the following night.

I’m a fan.

 

[Mego Red]

if we pull this off I'm buying the beers.

I think our future first would be VERY attractive to GWS.

We just need them to ensure Richmond pays an appropriate amount for Taranto.

 

[Mego Red]

I'm thinking we need min 6 main list spots - this is going to be challenging as we know
2 - butts and strachan upgrades (if they got sweet strachan will go so that evens out)
1 - rankine trade in (not using this years draft capital at all)
3 - at draft (@5 phillipou or mckenzie seem likely, @23 keeler, points for michalanney)

Now 6 spots

• seed will be retired contract paid out (very sad -find a role for him as someone else said)
• frampton trade out
• rowe trade out
• crouch trade out
• brown and mcpherson paid out one year gibbs style - these blokes are never playing AFL again
• personally would love to see murphy and ROB traded but wont happen so ignore

rookies

• retain the 2 cat Bs
• davis delisted
• turner rookied
• two rookie spots remain given the upgrades of butts and strachan

thoughts - how can we get the three picks at the Nat draft we will want?

Forgetting the Cat Bs for a minute (they don't matter for list numbers so might as well keep them), are currently 37 and 6. So we need to lose one, even before we start thinking of acquisitions.

Let's think of that number as 39 and 3, with the obvious/necessary upgrades of Strachan and Butts and delisting of Davis.

We have to be 38 and 4 (or 37/5, or 36/6).

We retire Seedsman, but we probably need to move be him to the rookie list, as we won't have salary cap room to pay out how whole contract this year.

38/4.

We delist/trade Rowe and Frampton.

36/4.

Then it gets tough. I think Sholl as a trade to North Melbourne, though I actually rate Sholl.

35/4.

Will someone take Crouch? Is it a McAsey trade? Do we do something unexpected, like McAdam to Fremantle? Are we able to clear a player in the Rankine trade?

It's not entirely easy, though you'd have to think there are some deals in place but unannounced, considering the unnecessary signing of Himmelburg.

 

[WeeBlake]

About 7-8 years ago I actually took a deep dive into what would have happened had every AFL team been assigned either an U18 team each, or a selection of clubs from their respective State Leagues. I suggested that before the draft proper each team could select a single player of their choice from these clubs. This would ensure that each club would have a core of players from a single feeder club/region and provide a real connection with that broader community.

I actually plotted out which players clubs would have received based on the first person drafted from each feeder club since the 2000 draft. Other than a single U18 team that hadn’t produced many decent players and the West Australian teams probably being better off than most other clubs, it all came out in the wash pretty much.

Bottom teams would still get to choose first from the best of the rest - which was still a great crop of players. Dangerfield for example wouldn’t have automatically gone to Geelong as someone else from the Falcons had already been selected in his draft year.

I really like the idea of something like this. With only one zonal selection clubs couldn’t simply stack their associated teams with talent as they’d simply be developing great players other teams could pickup once they’d used their selection. I think it would actually make each club feel much more like a “proper” club. Plus, the AFL could still have their two nights of drafting action with the reveal of each teams selection one night followed by the normal draft the following night.

I’m a fan.

Never heard anything like this suggested before. Sounds appealing for a lot of reasons

 

[CroCop]

he was nice agree but hes short for afl at 190cm as a kpd

Could play the Lever intercept role quote well I thought after watching the sanfl final last week, was very impressed by Heard. Just knew how to read the flight of the ball so well

 

[Bearded Clam]

About 7-8 years ago I actually took a deep dive into what would have happened had every AFL team been assigned either an U18 team each, or a selection of clubs from their respective State Leagues. I suggested that before the draft proper each team could select a single player of their choice from these clubs. This would ensure that each club would have a core of players from a single feeder club/region and provide a real connection with that broader community.

I actually plotted out which players clubs would have received based on the first person drafted from each feeder club since the 2000 draft. Other than a single U18 team that hadn’t produced many decent players and the West Australian teams probably being better off than most other clubs, it all came out in the wash pretty much.

Bottom teams would still get to choose first from the best of the rest - which was still a great crop of players. Dangerfield for example wouldn’t have automatically gone to Geelong as someone else from the Falcons had already been selected in his draft year.

I really like the idea of something like this. With only one zonal selection clubs couldn’t simply stack their associated teams with talent as they’d simply be developing great players other teams could pickup once they’d used their selection. I think it would actually make each club feel much more like a “proper” club. Plus, the AFL could still have their two nights of drafting action with the reveal of each teams selection one night followed by the normal draft the following night.

I’m a fan.

I’m more of a fan of getting rid of the draft altogether…

And going in the NRL direction.

Hasn’t resulted in super powerful long term dominating clubs in that league..

Its actually a more even comp than the AFL has been if you take a look at the records over the last 20 years..

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I’m more of a fan of getting rid of the draft altogether…

And going in the NRL direction.

Hasn’t resulted in super powerful long term dominating clubs in that league..

Its actually a more even comp than the AFL has been if you take a look at the records over the last 20 years..

Northern Academies and Father Son tend to negate the equalisation of the Draft ....that & the AFL's continuing interference with priority picks

SYD last night ......Mills, Heeney, Gulden and Campbell as Academy picks

 

[Dangerousfield]

Northern Academies and Father Son tend to negate the equalisation of the Draft ....that & the AFL's continuing interference with priority picks

SYD last night ......Mills, Heeney, Gulden and Campbell as Academy picks

Blakey as well. Campbell has done nothing, about Jones standard, and may be a bust?

Can't really cop Gulden who was available to every club at least once before Sydney eventually matched a bid at 34? It's well known they wouldn't have/couldn't have matched much earlier as they were out of points after taking McDonald and Campbell early. That Gulden has turned into a gun at his short height is a revelation for everyone I think, including the Swans.

Watching last night's game I was taken with how many Swans players can see and hit precision passes on the angle. I'd love for us to be able to do that rather than our hack kicks to contests.

 

[crow2crow]

Northern Academies and Father Son tend to negate the equalisation of the Draft ....that & the AFL's continuing interference with priority picks

SYD last night ......Mills, Heeney, Gulden and Campbell as Academy picks

correct its become a joke

bring back zones and academies are then fair and make sense

 

[tinman]

His dad was a hardcore port fan

On first glance I thought this said "hardcore pr0n fan"

I had to read it again. Whilst certainly undesirable, I think that's still better than being labelled as a "hardcore port fan".

 

[WaynesWorld19]

correct its become a joke

bring back zones and academies are then fair and make sense

IMO ....apply the same rules as the NGA program .....which BTW, should allow clubs to pick their NGA player, up to pick 20 .....pick 40 is ludicrous

 

[adelaidecrows]

On first glance I thought this said "hardcore pr0n fan"

I had to read it again. Whilst certainly undesirable, I think that's still better than being labelled as a "hardcore port fan".

Well i can understand that mistake. Port do seem to like ****ing their own fans.

 

[Thetrader15]

correct its become a joke

bring back zones and academies are then fair and make sense

Or keep the academies but all players go into the draft.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

Never heard anything like this suggested before. Sounds appealing for a lot of reasons

Here’s the original thread on the main board. There were people arguing that it would inequitable and favour SA/WA teams but then I actually broke it all down to show that it was all relatively even… and people still refused to believe that it would be anything other than unfair.

Region Specific Draft Picks

I think it could be a similar system to the father son style bidding system and limited to one club. Each state can be divided up into regions in both the city and country assigned to each club. I also think this will have a positive effect on all young kids coming through because clubs will be...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[crow2crow]

Or keep the academies but all players go into the draft.

i want zones but it wont happen

 

[Jirkago75]

In this draft, I want Phillipou or best mid, max, Ryan from west Adelaide and magor for South. There is no way we trade fiest rounder this year and pick the best midfielder our pick and if we can add Ryan I think he could develop into a very good wingman with his workrate. Max to develop as BSmith replacement and finally Magor who has Xfactor and a great goal sense. Add Rankine and we are set for outside players with good kicking skills

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Northern Academies and Father Son tend to negate the equalisation of the Draft ....that & the AFL's continuing interference with priority picks

SYD last night ......Mills, Heeney, Gulden and Campbell as Academy picks

Yep

It's a half pregnant system

 

[Crowman32]

Jacob schubacks lad goes alright. Quite a silky player.

 

[Mutineer]

Jacob schubacks lad goes alright. Quite a silky player.

Certainly is and surprisingly no National Combine invite and only a Vic State Combine invite so not rated by a lot of the recruiters which mystifies me.