List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft

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[Stamos]

For those of us who don't subscribe, is someone able to post their top 25?

Skadoosh put the archive link above

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

11. Carlton​

Oliver Hollands – 183cm Midfield, VIC

The Blues are believed to be zeroing in on Hollands with their first pick, given they are keen to bolster their stocks of strong-running midfielders. The boy from Wodonga – who is the brother of Gold Coast’s Elijah Hollands – finished equal-first in the 2km time trial at the national draft combine earlier this month after placing equal-fourth in the YoYo test at the NAB League testing day in March. Hollands has spent a lot of time on a wing this year, where he has found plenty of the ball and makes good decisions. However, he is also developing his inside midfield game with his contest work. Fittingly, Hollands is a Carlton supporter whose great-grandfather Martin Cross played 36 VFL games for the Blues in the 1960s.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft/afl-phantom-draft-2022-early-look-at-how-first-25-picks-will-fall/news-story/0cffb05b93834253d5413c21a4222314

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From a list perspective I can see the argument for a tall with this pick makes a lot of sense. However learning that Ollie is a lifetime Carlton supporter and that his great grandfather played for us. Then went on to being a coaching legend, these factors have swayed me to get behind this kid. Positives for mine are that his two-way running is elite and the fact that he played a lot of time on the wing. Still developing his inside-mid game, yet he sounds to me like agreat prospect for us, considering wing is such an important position in the modern game. I do like the recruitment of Acres, yet he is far from a superstar. LOB does have to improve again next season and I think he will. Cottrell I do like, yet he seems a bit limited. Just think a young developing hard running winger could be an astute decision.

 

[Juice030103]

Think a lot of us would be happy campers if they drafted hollands.

Sorta kid we will be able to rely on for 10 years to perform consistently

 

[Michael Jezz]

Arrow, I think you said you arevnot pro Hollands. Could you elaborate given he appears that outside wing we need and reeks of 150 gamer. Is there much risk playing it safe with Hollands if Busslinger and Phillipou are gone?. I may be wrong, but I would not be disappointed with Hollands despite my preference for a player with a higher ceiling. I see parallels with canporeale being drafted in 1995

 

[Juice030103]

Arrow, I think you said you arevnot pro Hollands. Could you elaborate given he appears that outside wing we need and reeks of 150 gamer. Is there much risk playing it safe with Hollands if Busslinger and Phillipou are gone?. I may be wrong, but I would not be disappointed with Hollands despite my preference for a player with a higher ceiling. I see parallels with canporeale being drafted in 1995

I think the view is his ceiling isn’t as high as others but to be honest we have had enough risky picks. Time to start drafting guys like Walsh who we know what we will get.

Might be completely wrong on that front but I would assume that’s what the view would be for Austin and thus why they have us passing on a boom or bust Phillopou

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I hope another club zeroes in on him first and we draft Phillipou.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I think the view is his ceiling isn’t as high as others but to be honest we have had enough risky picks. Time to start drafting guys like Walsh who we know what we will get.

Might be completely wrong on that front but I would assume that’s what the view would be for Austin and thus why they have us passing on a boom or bust Phillopou

Can't see why Hollands is less risky than Phillipou?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Arrow, I think you said you arevnot pro Hollands. Could you elaborate given he appears that outside wing we need and reeks of 150 gamer. Is there much risk playing it safe with Hollands if Busslinger and Phillipou are gone?. I may be wrong, but I would not be disappointed with Hollands despite my preference for a player with a higher ceiling. I see parallels with canporeale being drafted in 1995

Almost a 0 a risk player. At best he moves inside and bulks up while maintaining his aerobic base to become a gut running inside mid with better than average foot skills for that position. At worst he plays 200 games on a wing as one of a few absolutely elite runners who accumulate the ball at will. Questions about his impact via foot are in my opinion unwarranted but even still he's by no means a poor kick by any metric. To me he's LoB but stronger through the hips and accumulates far easier given he can win the ball in tight too. Would have no issues with him at 10 even though I think he's almost 0 chance of being the best player in the draft.

 

[macky99]

Can't see why Hollands is less risky than Phillipou?

Absolutely correct, there is some degree of risk with many picks, not sure Hollands is going to be a Sam Walsh as in taking a safe pick, we have added Cerra & Hewitt & Walsh in the last three years, Kennedy has stepped up, we are lacking a quality mid sized forward that can run through the mid-field, this really seems more of need right now, Humphrey/Phillipou/Sheezel are more the type that would really add something that is currently missing.

 

[Arr0w]

Arrow, I think you said you arevnot pro Hollands. Could you elaborate given he appears that outside wing we need and reeks of 150 gamer. Is there much risk playing it safe with Hollands if Busslinger and Phillipou are gone?. I may be wrong, but I would not be disappointed with Hollands despite my preference for a player with a higher ceiling. I see parallels with canporeale being drafted in 1995

I might be harsher on Hollands than most, but at this stage I see him as lacking in some areas and not confident he can rectify them to warrant an early pick

Strengths:

Can find the ball with easy, great competitor, massive tank, works hard defensively

Weaknesses:

Not overly clean by hand or foot, delayed in disposing, seems rushed, which hampers movement and or team exits, lacks scoreboard impact, lacks burst, not strong overhead.

At this stage, I see him more an inside type, where we have ample options, but given his tank he may transition to being a solid wingman if he cleans up his decision making and disposal by foot

If I am taking a non tall here, I want more composure, better footskills and someone that can rest forward and be a threat

 

[skadoosh]

Where are the highlight videos for Hollands? Can't seem to find any.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I think the view is his ceiling isn’t as high as others but to be honest we have had enough risky picks. Time to start drafting guys like Walsh who we know what we will get.

Might be completely wrong on that front but I would assume that’s what the view would be for Austin and thus why they have us passing on a boom or bust Phillopou

If Austin's big trick was minimum requirements then I'd be getting a new list manager.

 

[macky99]

I might be harsher on Hollands than most, but at this stage I see him as lacking in some areas and not confident he can rectify them to warrant an early pick

Strengths:

Can find the ball with easy, great competitor, massive tank, works hard defensively

Weaknesses:

Not overly clean by hand or foot, delayed in disposing, seems rushed, which hampers movement and or team exits, lacks scoreboard impact, lacks burst, not strong overhead.

At this stage, I see him more an inside type, where we have ample options, but given his tank he may transition to being a solid wingman if he cleans up his decision making and disposal by foot

If I am taking a non tall here, I want more composure, better footskills and someone that can rest forward and be a threat

Agree totally with this analysis and hope we do not go in that direction.

 

[Stamos]

A historically low number of draft prospects look set to be given an opportunity to join the AFL this year as clubs instead eye what shapes as a super draft in 2023.
Multiple clubs surveyed by News Corp this week said they expected only around 50 players to be drafted in next month’s national draft.

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[Blue By Blood]

I might be harsher on Hollands than most, but at this stage I see him as lacking in some areas and not confident he can rectify them to warrant an early pick

Strengths:

Can find the ball with easy, great competitor, massive tank, works hard defensively

Weaknesses:

Not overly clean by hand or foot, delayed in disposing, seems rushed, which hampers movement and or team exits, lacks scoreboard impact, lacks burst, not strong overhead.

At this stage, I see him more an inside type, where we have ample options, but given his tank he may transition to being a solid wingman if he cleans up his decision making and disposal by foot

If I am taking a non tall here, I want more composure, better footskills and someone that can rest forward and be a threat

The first two points you list under weaknesses worry me a lot. Not clean by foot and not quick to move the ball on... similar knocks as Acres (who we picked up for a low cost). Also not ideal traits for wings as quick and polished ball movement results in more scoring chains. Clean ball use really is a big concern for us and should be a key focal point in future list acquisitions.

There just strikes me as higher upside talents available who also fill a greater list need. In my opinion that’s a dynamic FWD-MID like Phillipou (makes sense as we were rumoured to be wanting to move up for Sheezel) or a tall like Busslinger, Hayes, Jefferson. Maybe there’s some concern over the go home factor with Phillipou and/or attitude. This is shaping as a very intriguing draft whichever way it plays out.

 

[JuddgementDay]

I might be harsher on Hollands than most, but at this stage I see him as lacking in some areas and not confident he can rectify them to warrant an early pick

Strengths:

Can find the ball with easy, great competitor, massive tank, works hard defensively

Weaknesses:

Not overly clean by hand or foot, delayed in disposing, seems rushed, which hampers movement and or team exits, lacks scoreboard impact, lacks burst, not strong overhead.

At this stage, I see him more an inside type, where we have ample options, but given his tank he may transition to being a solid wingman if he cleans up his decision making and disposal by foot

If I am taking a non tall here, I want more composure, better footskills and someone that can rest forward and be a threat

Just an armchair expert here…

But, this is what I’m afraid of.
Some kids are further developed than other kids - in size or fitness.

Where will they be 3+ years from now, when they are all going to be in a professional environment? Kids can put on muscle & fitness, but there core skills can only be refined.

We need players with innate good skills, pace and huge upside - for all our picks, particularly as high as #10

 

[Ash24]

We planning on doing a phantom draft on our board this year?

 

[bmaurizio]

From a list perspective I can see the argument for a tall with this pick makes a lot of sense. However learning that Ollie is a lifetime Carlton supporter and that his great grandfather played for us. Then went on to being a coaching legend, these factors have swayed me to get behind this kid. Positives for mine are that his two-way running is elite and the fact that he played a lot of time on the wing. Still developing his inside-mid game, yet he sounds to me like agreat prospect for us, considering wing is such an important position in the modern game. I do like the recruitment of Acres, yet he is far from a superstar. LOB does have to improve again next season and I think he will. Cottrell I do like, yet he seems a bit limited. Just think a young developing hard running winger could be an astute decision.

Agree totally Hollands is the obvious pick us at p10 , LOB & Cottrell are ok but just, Keeler & Clarke Charlie both loaded with X factor, one is a quality tall with great hands good aerialist and can Ruck too and Charlie nice mid forward turn out very special It would be great to have two in our forward line.

 

[Jimmae]

They've got us leaving Phillipou on the board

Interesting they also don't have Hewett in the top 25

Hey, if we can secure Philipou and Hewett without even making a trade, I'm on board.

A historically low number of draft prospects look set to be given an opportunity to join the AFL this year as clubs instead eye what shapes as a super draft in 2023.
Multiple clubs surveyed by News Corp this week said they expected only around 50 players to be drafted in next month’s national draft.

Would have loved for us to trade out or not re-sign some depth and take advantage. How many more years of low draft numbers before there's a well spring of maturing talent??

 

[BigFrizz36]

Can't see why Hollands is less risky than Phillipou?

There has been some talk of Phillipou being a go home to Adelaide risk. Not sure if true or not. As some have mentioned if you are a successful team it is less likely however Jackson and Dawson are recent examples of players in successful teams deciding to go home.

No chance of that with Hollands. In fact if he is happy at the club you'd be some sort of chance to get his brother in the future if the sun's continued to struggle.

 

[Wickzki]

Hun has us taking Hollands, we are “zeroing in” on him apparently

That's a surprise...

 

[macky99]

Agree totally Hollands is the obvious pick us at p10 , LOB & Cottrell are ok but just, Keeler & Clarke Charlie both loaded with X factor, one is a quality tall with great hands good aerialist and can Ruck too and Charlie nice mid forward turn out very special It would be great to have two in our forward line.

I would not be taking this as gospel, with still a month out from the draft, would be highly surprised if we did not have a short list of 3-5 depending on how the cards fall.
I would not say Hollands is a obvious choice, as mentioned by Arrow aside from his gut running which cannot be questioned, l would argue that there are going to be better natural footballers around our pick.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I'd imagine the only reason any club would leak their draft preferences this early would be to try and create a 'red herring' on draft night.

 

[Stamos]

The knocks on Hollands concern me a bit.
I'd rather trade down and take George +

 

[GT619]

Where are the highlight videos for Hollands? Can't seem to find any.

Go watch Vic metro vs vic country grand final on kayo. He's there number 8